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  1.  08-17-2011  12:37 PM
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    My God man, congratulations on the progress and good luck at the show your going to win buddy.



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    Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
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    9 days out. Calipers reading under 3% now at 6pts, 22mm

    This pic is after pulling a little water via using Danelion root and water munition, NOT with diuretics

    Legs are seperated but not very deep. The skin is super tight and grainy and veins are stupid in the legs now, however i think the lack of seperations is because of my lack of maturity. This is my FIRST show, and I'v only been training 3 years now



    Now onto the import stuff:

    I'm running,
    1g masteron, 60mg anavar, 20mg halo, 700mg prop right now. What should I cut out what should I keep etc?

    I dont hold much water to begin with so should i be using a diuretic like aldactone or will doing what i did in this pic suffice? I dont want to cut to much water and go flat.
    Just stay on what your taking, its working very well

    lots of improvement from this last pic to the first 3.

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    Very impressive. Your symmetry is just outstanding.

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    Looks great. What show is this? I wouldnt change anything about what your doing until about 3 weeks out to start drying out slowly with diuretics. If your this lean now you dont wanna push it too far- things could back fire. Your legs look soft compared to the upper body. Vascualrity is outrageous but just not carved out like your delts and serratus.
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  5.  08-20-2011  08:53 PM
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    its been a week since the last photos i posted, been doing cardio 2x/day and working my ass off...I know there have been some significant changes as I'v had that fat loss feeling all week. The slight tiredness, spaced out mind, and the warm heavy feeling as you push through the hard cardio sessions. I just know i'v probably lost some more weight. Just waiting for the initial water retention from fat mobilization to clear so we can see whats left over.

    The legs are seperated, just not as drastic as upper body. Keep in mind my upper quads are not tanned at all, so this has alot to do with the visual effect. Also, I will be cutting water again this week for the show and resting the legs, elevated, to get the blood out.

    Masteron has been increased to 1400mg/wk, halo to 20mg, and test dropped down to 350mg, and anavar down to 40mg. I'm looking even harder and feel really full, although carbs are under 150-175mg/day and cardio 2x/day w/ posing and lifting.

    I have a feeling this weekend things are going to seriously "pop".

    My show prep plan:

    Water:
    I have aldactones, but i'm not going to use them. I'm going to do 2gal monday, 1.5 tues, 1 wed, 1 thurs, and .5 friday, stopping at 5pm and taking dandelion root every 2 hours beginning in the morning. Drinking a few glasses of wine before sleep. More dandelion in the morning with a cup of cofee, and Wine+glycerin+water right before going on stage with a honey-oat bar.

    Sodium:
    nothing drastic. Going to include slight amount of sodium into every meal. A1 sauce on steaks, salt on chicken, and lots of egg whites (sodium). Then friday, all day, cut sodium completely...bring it back in right before going on stage with the honey oat bar.

    Carbs:
    Still trying to decide if i should deplete and restore for supercompensation.


    I'm with the school of thought that its rediculous and unneccary to try and cram in additional carbohydrates for 2 days, thurs and friday, with lower water levels. Just too much that may go wrong. If you are full and hard with your 200g high carb days, then maybe bump up the carbs to 300g and add a little high GI in right before stage.??? Why go through depletion and risk not filling back out?

    I will be using metformin and IGF-1 LR3 right before stage with my simple carbs, and during the day friday with my low-gi carb up. (sweet potatoes, brown rice, wheat breads etc)

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    I suggested tapering up the carbs a few days before and adding as needed. You gotta be the judge of where you fit. Carbs make you pee, too. So keep that in mind. I would get water for friday to a single poland spring bottle.

    Yeah, keep sodium as is. You got a good plan there.

    You're gonna drop 1-2%BF just from water depletion too.
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    Um how exactly do you lose bodyfat when you lose water....lol wtf
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    Call it myth or miracle but my numbers drop during water depletion. Maybe im just crazy but im kinda convinced.
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    Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    Call it myth or miracle but my numbers drop during water depletion. Maybe im just crazy but im kinda convinced.
    I guess water measures like fat with calipers, I have heard this before.
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    Exactly, you hold water in your skin...you're not magically losing fat. How you look is more important than what the scale or caliper says, even tho those r helpful tools
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    been eating at 50g of carbs for the past 2 days, going into day 3 now. Only carbs are 2 rice cakes and 1 bowl of wheat bran. Rest is protein sources. And training 20-30 rep sets trying to kill all the glycogen.

    Feeling really ****ty and run down, been leaning on olive oil and peanuts to keep me going.

    Tomorrow I will begin the massive supercompensation loading, using IGF-1 LR3 and r-lipoic acid with each meal, and utilizing glucophage/metformin before bed to mimimize excess blood sugar in the blood stream. Taking in 300g thursday, and 400g friday.

    Water will be dropped from 2 gallons (m-t-w) to 1 gallon on thursday, and half gallon on friday, stopping at 5pm.

    Diuretics: dandilion root extract taken at morning on friday, another dose during the afternoon, another dose at 5pm, another dose before bed, and 1 more in the morning upon waking. And glass of wine before bed. Sleeping with overhead fan on high to dehydrate skin some more.

    Morning of: small crap meal like pancakes, eggs etc, pin igf-1lr3 before going on stage and drink some wine+glycerin and a little bit of water to fill out the muscles along with a few reecie cups for fats/sugars to fill out right after pumping up.

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    I am a believer in the pancakes before a comp. High GI really fills up the muscles nicely.

    You are looking insane man.. I remember way back when you ran your first little cycle of havoc lol
    Suffer now.. and live like a champion later.

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    I believe the only way you are going to lose this comp is if you deliberately perform the wrong poses in the mandatory. I'm willing to bet you could trip and fall a few times and still win with ease, lol..

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    How did it go?

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    Post some contest pics bro
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    placed 2nd. No idea why. The guy that won beat me in my weight class and won the overall over the heavyweights. In all seriousness, this guy was about 10lbs less mass than me, 2 inches taller, and terrible posing. Symmetry/v-taper was non-existant, and his side chest was pathetic. However he had good seperations in hig legs, better than mine, but I totally disagree that they were enough to outweight all his other insufficienies.

    O well, bodybuilding is very subjective. I dont really care that much, because I did this show as a warm up.

    Next time, I'm going to start working on the legs to seperate earlier. My mistake was not doing enough high rep training on the legs. I also will not cut as much water.

    For now, the plan is to gain 20lbs of LBM by April 2012, and step on stage in August 2012 at 202lbs, dominate and go to nationals. It WILL happen.



    So far Ive begun my rebound cycle and am already up from 183 to 191 and super strong:

    Test-p - 1g/week
    mast-p -525mg/week

    No orals, lots of fish oil, 1 kilo chicken breat, 1lb of sirloin per day. Lots of coq10, niacin, b12, R-ala,, garlic, and all the other vitamins.

    Going to run this for a few months to let liver recover, and let the lipids recover a little, althought I realize a gram of test is pushing it on the lipids. Will throw in NPP at 350mg/wk soon, and in 10-12 weeks I'm going to blast some d-bol at 50mg/day

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    Well, that's the way it goes sometimes.

    Sounds like you did good though.

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    IT WILL HAPPEN.. I like that. Do you plan on cycling off? By rebound cycle do you mean putting some weight back on after the intense dieting?
    Suffer now.. and live like a champion later.

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    Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    placed 2nd. No idea why. The guy that won beat me in my weight class and won the overall over the heavyweights. In all seriousness, this guy was about 10lbs less mass than me, 2 inches taller, and terrible posing. Symmetry/v-taper was non-existant, and his side chest was pathetic. However he had good seperations in hig legs, better than mine, but I totally disagree that they were enough to outweight all his other insufficienies.

    O well, bodybuilding is very subjective. I dont really care that much, because I did this show as a warm up.

    Next time, I'm going to start working on the legs to seperate earlier. My mistake was not doing enough high rep training on the legs. I also will not cut as much water.

    For now, the plan is to gain 20lbs of LBM by April 2012, and step on stage in August 2012 at 202lbs, dominate and go to nationals. It WILL happen.



    So far Ive begun my rebound cycle and am already up from 183 to 191 and super strong:

    Test-p - 1g/week
    mast-p -525mg/week

    No orals, lots of fish oil, 1 kilo chicken breat, 1lb of sirloin per day. Lots of coq10, niacin, b12, R-ala,, garlic, and all the other vitamins.

    Going to run this for a few months to let liver recover, and let the lipids recover a little, althought I realize a gram of test is pushing it on the lipids. Will throw in NPP at 350mg/wk soon, and in 10-12 weeks I'm going to blast some d-bol at 50mg/day
    You got any pointers for avoiding painful prop soreness in the localized area? My freggin quads and shoulders are killing me over these prop injections. Although I will say that working the muscle out a few hours after the injection has helped some so far. Anyways, sorry to hear you only got 2nd, I just find it hard to believe at novice level you lost to anyone. It's probably rigged. There is a show in Tunica that is partially rigged so it's not uncommon. Gotta play the politics in some of those shows in order to win. Boo on that!

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    Sorry you're disappointed about the placings bro... it happend to me twice this year. took 2nd in 1 event and 3rd in another(that one was worse)It's such a subjective sport and sometimes i think the judges just pic what they like. Did you by chance take a look at the score sheets? If it was a npc event you should be able to request them then u can at least see how each judge had ya..
    Good luck w/ the rebound stay hungry

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