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  1. i do agree with this- the only change is the company brand. its a shame because some coming out with new stuff are just rushing to throw in cit and ag- great just what we need- how about a little innovation?

    there are some of us that dont use stims in pwo's and hearing "it has to have a stim in order for it to work or for it to sell" is fycking bullsh1t. sorry but im tired of hearing that. imo that means your either lazy and dont want to research new products or you dont want to spend any money on furthering your brand.

    do you all realize just how many pwo's are on the market right now? its insane and most of us dont need more than 1/2 the shyt in the product listing to begin with.

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by smith_69 View Post
    i do agree with this- the only change is the company brand. its a shame because some coming out with new stuff are just rushing to throw in cit and ag- great just what we need- how about a little innovation?

    there are some of us that dont use stims in pwo's and hearing "it has to have a stim in order for it to work or for it to sell" is fycking bullsh1t. sorry but im tired of hearing that. imo that means your either lazy and dont want to research new products or you dont want to spend any money on furthering your brand.

    do you all realize just how many pwo's are on the market right now? its insane and most of us dont need more than 1/2 the shyt in the product listing to begin with.

    @brundel
    Exactly. If your pre isnt good without the stims it isnt good imo. Otherwise why not just take bulk caffeine or amp etc. They are all available in bulk for fn cheap. Also the formulation of these products is so misguided.

    The original high sales pres were based around stimulants. The companies would then add in creatine, citrulline, and eventually we started seeing beta alanine etc. But for the most part this was it. A stim + arg/cit+ beta a and assorted (often needless or non functioning) additions to round it out.
    No real rhyme or reason except its what other companies used and those products sell well. (this is of course the primary formulation technique in the supp industry) Read someone elses label, add 1-2 other ingredients so it doesnt look exactly the same (some are so fn lazy they just use the exact same formula down to the fillers) and then release with a bunch of marketing claiming "innovation" "new" "best ever" etc etc etc. Its a joke.

    Its not doing you guys any service either.
    The supp industry like most giant industries is a money hole. Its designed to get you to spend your hard earned dollars. Ive told this story a hundred times-
    When I started building muscle and really getting into bodybuilding I bought every supp on the market that claimed I would build 10 lbs in a week and burn fat and add 2 in to my arms etc etc. Of course 99.99999999% of this is marketing bs and I was sorely disappointed. It left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I started making my own supplements and well this of course turned into BLR. Everyone I knew wanted some and the word spread like wildfire. Anyway I made a promise to myself that I would NEVER sell any product that I didnt 100% believe every claim we made.
    I would never sell a product that didnt work.
    I would never sell a product that I would not be personally happy paying the price for and I stick with these promises. I stand by these promises.

    its not at all about money for me. If it was Id make the cheapest clone products available and spend all my money on marketing.
    I do the exact opposite. I make products that often cost me triple what most products cost to make sometimes even more. FD2 costs me 3x what Formeron used to cost and its the same retail price. I make products that make me very little return and then I spend most of the money I make on R&D.

    The return for me is knowing that my little brand IS innovative. I make legit products that work exceptionally well and my customers are happy.

    The nootropic is another example.
    We made a product that we were able to publicly show increased the IQ of our testers up to 25% along with a host of other benefits like memory, reaction times and social interaction.

    Wait till you guys see the next products up on deck.
    Even Im excited.
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  3. @brundel - please give us an update. We are itching to but more BLR stuff....

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    @brundel - please give us an update. We are itching to but more BLR stuff....
    Ok quick update.

    1. Nootropic product is set to release within a week or so. We have all the raws here and its likely going to start running in a few days.
    This is the product we ran the trial for here on the forums. 100% of the testers had a significant increase in IQ, memory and reaction times. One trial subject had a 27 point increase in IQ!!! Pretty crazy. Anyways this will be available shortly.

    2. New anabolic. Some very interesting discoveries have been made just in the last 2 weeks. The product keeps evolving and I dont want to release it until Im 100% certain its a viable anabolic product. This means the majority of users see muscle growth not related to placebo. So far its very positive.
    I have 7 ingredients currently on the ingredient panel. It will likely drop to 3-5 before launch but the ingredients are VERY solid.
    Most if not all of the ingredients use pathways and or ingredients not used by anyone else. Period.
    One thing about us is we dont follow the herd. I dont believe there is any honor in doing nothing but reading another brands label and copying it.

    3. Pre workout. Currently we are very close with this one. Its a project I have been working on forever and I just cant release it unless its better than everything else and different from everything else. I can promise you this. The way you look at your pre workout products will change after this product is released and those who see why will begin to demand more from companies. Currently there is a sickness upon pre workout products. A total failure.
    Ill give a detailed writeup about this then we release.

    1. set for release in a week approx.
    2. perhaps 60 days.
    3. perhaps 90 days.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH Take your own path-

  5. good news on updates, how about updated version of incinderine?
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  6. Excellent news @brundel. Can't wait for this new anabolic

  7. @jt75 thanks for the heads up on this thread. I didn't know about it.
    Pro God, Pro Gun, Pro Life.

  8. Your welcome @Studhorse 👍

  9. Will the new anabolic effect hunger like fd2.0 does?

    Edit: I'm hoping it doesn't lol
  10. Pro God, Pro Gun, Pro Life.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Studhorse View Post
    Thanks brother

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Tank999 View Post
    Thanks brother
    Never a problem brother.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Ok quick update.

    1. Nootropic product is set to release within a week or so. We have all the raws here and its likely going to start running in a few days.
    This is the product we ran the trial for here on the forums. 100% of the testers had a significant increase in IQ, memory and reaction times. One trial subject had a 27 point increase in IQ!!! Pretty crazy. Anyways this will be available shortly.

    2. New anabolic. Some very interesting discoveries have been made just in the last 2 weeks. The product keeps evolving and I dont want to release it until Im 100% certain its a viable anabolic product. This means the majority of users see muscle growth not related to placebo. So far its very positive.
    I have 7 ingredients currently on the ingredient panel. It will likely drop to 3-5 before launch but the ingredients are VERY solid.
    Most if not all of the ingredients use pathways and or ingredients not used by anyone else. Period.
    One thing about us is we dont follow the herd. I dont believe there is any honor in doing nothing but reading another brands label and copying it.

    3. Pre workout. Currently we are very close with this one. Its a project I have been working on forever and I just cant release it unless its better than everything else and different from everything else. I can promise you this. The way you look at your pre workout products will change after this product is released and those who see why will begin to demand more from companies. Currently there is a sickness upon pre workout products. A total failure.
    Ill give a detailed writeup about this then we release.

    1. set for release in a week approx.
    2. perhaps 60 days.
    3. perhaps 90 days.
    What about the Gh product you were working on?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by paul56778 View Post
    good news on updates, how about updated version of incinderine?
    This has been on the back burner. Partially because the fat burner market is so saturated.
    EVERYONE has a fat burner these days and alot of them are just super cheap stims. This drives the prices down which makes it difficult to use extremely rare but highly effective ingredients.
    Ill try to put it at the top of the list as spring is around the corner.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachineX View Post
    Will the new anabolic effect hunger like fd2.0 does?

    Edit: I'm hoping it doesn't lol
    So far no reports of this but as we all saw with FD2 there can be unseen effects when 10000 people take something compared to 15 people.
    For me Letrone is the one that really makes me hungry. Its viscous. Comparable to GHRPs for me personally. Like insta hypo.

    This product Im going to run a blind trial. Generally speaking we give product to all testers and just see how they like it but in this case we are really pushing the boundaries of known anabolic/catabolic pathways. Frankly Im not sure how strong of an anabolic effect we can expect from stimulating some of these things so we need to test against a placebo. I can say that at least one of the pathways indicates a min of 15% muscle growth in studies.
    Thats 15% TOTAL MUSCLE MASS INCREASE........
    So....if you have 100lbs of muscle a 15lbs straight lean muscle mass increase. Sort of scary. But...of course supplemental augmentation of these specific pathways has never been attempted so...who knows whats gonna happen lol. Maybe nothing, maybe something amazing. Ill keep you posted.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Sort of scary. But...of course supplemental augmentation of these specific pathways has never been attempted so...who knows whats gonna happen lol. Maybe nothing, maybe something amazing. Ill keep you posted.
    Is this how ManBearPig gets created? 😂😂
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Is this how ManBearPig gets created? 😂😂
    Hey manbearpig is real for cereal

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  19. We're never gonna get the pre :'( lol

  20. Guess you can't rush perfection

  21. Any chance of a stim free version once it gets released?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Is this how ManBearPig gets created? ����
    Yup.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by mjdel05 View Post
    We're never gonna get the pre :'( lol
    Oh itll come. It keeps evolving as I learn more about certain things. As I test ingredients that fail to live up to standards and...as I find more suitable replacements.
    Over the last few months Ive figured out something that has eluded 100% of pre workout formulators thus far.
    It might take a couple more months but its coming.

    The pre is NOT designed around a stim.
    Currently there is no stim in the product formula but I plan to add stims for sure.

    Maybe Ill work it so there is an option to use stim or not.
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  24. Def a stim and non stim version.
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  25. Having a stim and non-stim version always makes everyone happy. Just be sure that there is a stim version for sure tho...haha!

  26. subbed for 15% total muscle gain

  27. Quote Originally Posted by nick76 View Post
    subbed for 15% total muscle gain
    Keep in mind, like I said, maybe nothing will happen. Impossible to know without extensive testing.
    Its exciting though. The potential is exceptional.
    If we get even 30-50% of that.....5-7lbs lean muscle mass gain. This would be a huge success.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Keep in mind, like I said, maybe nothing will happen. Impossible to know without extensive testing.
    Its exciting though. The potential is exceptional.
    If we get even 30-50% of that.....5-7lbs lean muscle mass gain. This would be a huge success.
    Can't wait for this.

  29. BLR @brundel always coming out with top and innovative products. Great job and good luck with the new products that will be coming out!
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  30. In for info
    It's Bea, fcker. Bea Mother****ing Arthur. Dammit........lol

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