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  1. Viron questions


    Hello, I have a couple of questions about Viron, just received my 3 bottles and wondering how to best use it. - can Viron be used during a cycle and how would that benefit? - is Viron ok to use during pct considering potential estrogen issues (will daa make it worse)? and - would there be any problem using nettle root extract with Viron? Thanks for your help


  2. I'd recommend you combine it with Formeron cause increased free test levels from Viron will eventually convert to estrogen so not much use to just take Viron to eventually finish with increased estrogen.

    I'm testing Viron/Formeron stack for 4 weeks now and doing 5 days on/2 days off and 2on/1off/2on/2off variations and stuff definitely works.

    I started first 5 days on just taking 1 cap of Viron upon waking and on day 3 I already felt light discomfort off my nipples but on day 2 of adding Formeron this feeling disappeared.

    After few days on 2 pumps of Formeron I also noticed extra dry mouth especially at evening and during the night so stuff is working.

    I also notice increased heart rate and Formeron also gives me some times messed up unpleasant dreams but overall for libido boost this stack is great.

    Also erection quality is enhanced on Viron alone.

  3. Yeah I have read that Formeron is good with it, just wasn't sure if it just a good addition or "required". My need to try and find some
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  4. Hmm any other options. Not sure if Formeron would pass AU customs. High E after 5 days seems pretty fast, is that normal?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Stabsy View Post
    Hmm any other options. Not sure if Formeron would pass AU customs. High E after 5 days seems pretty fast, is that normal?
    Nipples discomfort not necessarily mean high E - you can train more and sweat more and you'll get such feeling or use different clothes detergent...

    Blood test is only real thing to confirm changes in hormone levels.

  6. do you think 50mg of 6-bromo are enough for e2 control on viron?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Stabsy View Post
    Yeah I have read that Formeron is good with it, just wasn't sure if it just a good addition or "required". My need to try and find some
    Definitely not required because I have never had an issue with e2 and taking tongkat or boron. They seem to balance each other out very well, but some people are more sensitive and that is why it is recommended to add in Formeron.

    The only thing I would add is to look into figuring out what cycle works best for you. Some like 4 on 3 off and others run a 5on 2 off. For me, I found a long time ago that I prefer a 4 on and 3 off for the best effects and increased libido.
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  8. Maybe I'll try messing with the dosage rather than relying on an AI and see how that goes thanks. Forma type AI's are not super available here and those that are are a bit pricey (have not been able to find Formeron here as yet). I have some OG Erase but there is some doubt about it's effectiveness.

    Any ideas on my original questions? Cheers.

  9. Anyone taking 2 caps of viron?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Herm View Post
    Anyone taking 2 caps of viron?
    I was, for 1 day lol

  11. I do. I love the all day "up" feeling.
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  12. Has anyone used Viron during a cycle? Would it still give you a boost downstairs or be a waste?
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

  13. Or how about Viron and Bulbine?
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

  14. I was taking SNS Bulbine at 1 cap a day for 5 days and libido was down plus I got diarrhoea within 3h every time I took it so definitely not working on me.

    I tried Viron 2 caps one day but didn't see much difference so 1 cap I think is more than enough.

    So far my best OTC test boosters for me are SHBG inhibitors - tongkat and nettle.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    I was taking SNS Bulbine at 1 cap a day for 5 days and libido was down plus I got diarrhoea within 3h every time I took it so definitely not working on me.

    I tried Viron 2 caps one day but didn't see much difference so 1 cap I think is more than enough.

    So far my best OTC test boosters for me are SHBG inhibitors - tongkat and nettle.
    I have tried SNS Bulbine with daa and didn't really see much. Was wondering if would be better paired with Viron due the supposed estro blocking effects. Too many supps lol. I use nettle frequently tho. About to start an epi run so will maybe add that in later and see what happens.
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Stabsy View Post
    Hello, I have a couple of questions about Viron, just received my 3 bottles and wondering how to best use it. - can Viron be used during a cycle and how would that benefit? - is Viron ok to use during pct considering potential estrogen issues (will daa make it worse)? and - would there be any problem using nettle root extract with Viron? Thanks for your help
    Yes Viron can be used on cycle but to answer the second part of this question I would need more information. A "cycle" is not a universal term.
    You can cycle creatine and you can cycle anadrol so there are differences depending on the cycle your running.
    Here is some info regarding Viron

    VIRON
    High grade Eurycoma longifolia (EL) extract plus Boron citrate

    Eurycoma longifolia Jack (Tongkat ali, Pasak bumi) is a plant native to Indonesia, Maylasia, Thailand, and vietnam. Raw plant material and extract have been used for centuries as a tonic for libido and sexual function. Studies indicate that it has tons of properties beneficial to the bodybuilder or weight trained athlete. Anyone who trains seriously knows what testosterone is and its vital importance to performance, strength and muscle gain not to mention libido and confidence and everything male. Lots of people don’t realize though that much of your Total testosterone is bound up and unusable. The majority of your test is bound to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin). SHBG is a glycoprotein that binds to sex hormones, androgen and estrogen. Anything bound by SHBG is not available to bind to androgen receptors which is where we want it. EL raises testosterone levels, helps to manage estrogen, reduces cortisol and improves quality of life. Not all EL is equal though and we took great care to ensure we have the best possible extract that is only used by us. Many El products are fake, poor extracts or even just ground up plant material. Some are spiked with drugs like viagra or stimulants which may be harmful to your health. Our EL is the highest possible quality and will always be the best EL available for any price.
    EL has been shown to have the following potential effects:


    • Boosts testosterone
    • Increases luteinizing hormone
    • Promotes erection
    • Reduces SHBG
    • Increases Free testosterone
    • Decreases cortisol
    • Decreases estrogen
    • Increased muscle mass
    • Improved sexual performance
    • SERM properties


    EL is a star component to Viron but it’s not alone. We also include 10mg Boron citrate.

    Boron is a natural trace mineral that many people are deficient in. Boron has the potential to increase your FREE testosterone to levels high enough to create an abnormally anabolic environment. Even if your total testosterone levels are in normal ranges if your free test is very high it will be similar to total test being super high as its the free portion that really matters.
    BORON CITRATE PROPERTIES INCLUDE


    • Increases Free testosterone
    • Increased DHT
    • Increased Vitamin D
    • Decreases inflammation
    • Increased muscle mass
    • Improves joints
    • Strengthens bones
    • Reduces estrogen
    • Lowers plasma lipid levels and enables removal of cholesterol through various means.
    • Enhanced cognitive function. Hand eye coordination, Short term memory and concentration.


    Viron is a great supplement for:

    On natty supp cycles to keep test levels up and for the huge increase in free T. Also just for the added health benefits of both EL and Boron.
    Off cycle for increased test levels and to keep SHBG low. Lots of guys like to take EL year round for its mood and libido enhancing properties and many people are boron deficient.
    It is especially good for PCT. You could run the Viron and Formeron for PCT with no other additions. Post cycle your system is a mess. Aside from the obvious benefit in PCT of raising test and free test EL acts like a SERM similar to tamoxifen (novadex). In addition you get reduced inflammation and improved lipid profile (lipids are normally extremely bad after any oral steroid or prohormone). Furthermore you will benefit from the reduction in cortisol and general mood improvement everyone needs during PCT.

    Combines with Formeron it makes a perfect PCT.


    EL increases testosterone

    EL decreases cortisol

    EL increases LH

    EL decreases estrogen.
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  17. Brundel thanks for that. I saw that info just a few mins ago in the Viron FAQ thread.
    In one of my posts above I mentioned I was just starting an epi run. I was wondering if there would be any benefit using viron now or wait until pct.
    Also using viron in pct with a serm and adding in formeron (if customs let me have it) in say week 3, how does that sound?
    Thanks for your help.
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Stabsy View Post
    Brundel thanks for that. I saw that info just a few mins ago in the Viron FAQ thread.
    In one of my posts above I mentioned I was just starting an epi run. I was wondering if there would be any benefit using viron now or wait until pct.
    Also using viron in pct with a serm and adding in formeron (if customs let me have it) in say week 3, how does that sound?
    Thanks for your help.
    Epistane will for sure suppress your natural testosterone levels. I recommend NEVER letting your test levels drop on any cycle.
    The addition of Viron during the EPI cycle should help you at least maintain some endogenous test.

    It will certainly be the bomb in PCT with Form and a SERM.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Epistane will for sure suppress your natural testosterone levels. I recommend NEVER letting your test levels drop on any cycle.
    The addition of Viron during the EPI cycle should help you at least maintain some endogenous test.

    It will certainly be the bomb in PCT with Form and a SERM.

    Thanks I will start on maybe 4 on 3 off and see how that goes. Also stacking the epi with some 5alpha test, not sure if that will make a difference with the viron.
    Will the formeron be necessary or not until pct? Not sure if I should wait to see if the form turns up.
    Thanks again.
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Stabsy View Post
    Thanks I will start on maybe 4 on 3 off and see how that goes. Also stacking the epi with some 5alpha test, not sure if that will make a difference with the viron.
    Will the formeron be necessary or not until pct? Not sure if I should wait to see if the form turns up.
    Thanks again.
    I would want to have the Formeron on hand in the very least.
    Epistane and I think 5at are both suppressive so even with the viron test levels wont likely get out of control so estro shouldnt either.

    Personally I would run the Formeron on the cycle as well.
    For the AI properties
    For the PH properties
    For having estro already low going into PCT.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    I would want to have the Formeron on hand in the very least.
    Epistane and I think 5at are both suppressive so even with the viron test levels wont likely get out of control so estro shouldnt either.

    Personally I would run the Formeron on the cycle as well.
    For the AI properties
    For the PH properties
    For having estro already low going into PCT.
    No probs. I'll wait for the form the add some viron and see what happens and run it through pct.
    Cheers man.
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

  22. Form has arrived safe and sound. Starting Viron 5 on 2 off and see how that goes.
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

  23. Awesome bro your gonna dig it.
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  24. Thoughts on raising dosage to 2 caps a day?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Joshlm69 View Post
    Thoughts on raising dosage to 2 caps a day?
    I dont see why not.
    Youll probably notice the tongkat more.
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  26. It's how I roll.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    It's how I roll.
    Its a big step up for us to take the extra cap and be as cool as you kisaj!

    Only thing about doubling dose, from a UK customer point of view, is the price, its $77 a bottle of viron here so pretty darn expensive, at least having 1 a day lasts 12 weeks, although I guess 6 weeks for $77 isnt actually too bad.

    Might start dosing 1 at 9am and one at about 1pm

  28. Hey Josh, it's time for the big boy pants. Now get on it!
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  29. You think my estrogen will be stable if I raise to 2 @kisaj

  30. Your still using the Formeron?
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  31. nah man, you made that product TOO damn good :P. my estro got shut down instantly haha, but I did try and be a hero and 4 pump off the bat

    Think for $ reasons ill stick with 1 for now .

    Loving the Viron/Folli combo

  32. I have this. Is it better empty stomach preworkout or afternoon ?

  33. Quote Originally Posted by patrick25 View Post
    I have this. Is it better empty stomach preworkout or afternoon ?
    I take after my breakfast. @brundel is viron optimal with or without food?

  34. FWIW, I've experimented with protein rich, carb rich, normal diet, and no food and found that I respond best with no food prior. I tend to feel the TA warmth in about 20 min as opposed to an hour + if I eat first.
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  35. hmmm interesting, It may be beneficial for me to take Viron upon waking then. I wouldn't dose Viron any time other than the morning due to it potentially keeping me awake at night
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    For anyone that is interested, Viron just landed at Orbit
    http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/b...rch-viron.html
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    For anyone that is interested, Viron just landed at Orbit
    http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/b...rch-viron.html
    Thanks man! Do you know if Orbit will sell a Follidrone + Viron package?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Thanks man! Do you know if Orbit will sell a Follidrone + Viron package?
    I don't believe it is planned but we listen to customer input, if we get some requests and there seems to be interest I'm sure we could make it happen.

    Cast a vote for wanting to see a BLR stack either here or in our product request thread
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  39. Most people stack BLR products, so I think it would be a great move for everyone.
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    Just so I'm not clogging up any BLR threads with Orbit talk lol I made a thread for stack requests.

    Would love to make some happen so throw in a vote for your favourite stack(s)

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