Spooky Lipoderm Ulta product support
- 04-23-2005, 02:12 PM
Spooky Lipoderm Ulta product support
Hey guys, I'm looking for some avant labs product support. I just bought Avant labs Lipoderm -ultra and IBE Clenbuterol HCL 100MCG/ML - 60ML and some cap cream. I used lipoderm-ultra with cap and had amazing sucess last year, but I want to kick it up a notch so I bought the clen. Questions:
1. I've experimented orally with the clen twice. How much Clen would you recommend I add to my Lipoderm-Ultra?
2. I want to minimize my time in a calorie deficit. Would it be ok to start the deficiet the same day I start the cycle or do I need to be in a deficiet for some time before this?
3. Thinking about 1 week on, 1 week off, until I achieve the desire results. Any suggestions?
Thanks for any help.
Loyal avant customer,
- 04-23-2005, 08:08 PM
I've never done clen, so I can't comment on it. But if you don't mind, what is the stuff you;'re using called "cap cream?" I've never heard of it. I also head great results from lipoderm, absolved, etc. from avant....very good products.
- 04-23-2005, 09:45 PM
Lok suggested cycling it if you add clen. He actually said he uses 2 bottles, one w/ clen and one w/o.
04-24-2005, 01:58 AM
It's called capsazin hp .1%, you can find it with the arthritis medications at any drug store. I've used straight up lipoderm-ultra and lipoderm-ultra with cap, and the difference is huge. Cap is painfull however, but I got that damn 6 pack I always wanted.Originally Posted by lifted
04-24-2005, 09:57 AM
This is good to know. I have used lipo before with less than stellar (expedient) results. I am literaly burning my ass off with the cap, and my abs are coming in very very nicely and quickly.Originally Posted by biggjohn
It has been dramatic in the results department as well as the pain...
04-24-2005, 02:46 PM
It was very painfull the first time, but it became managable after a while.Originally Posted by B5150
04-24-2005, 04:10 PM
I'm finding it to be intermitent. The first few applications were excrusiatingly(sp) painful, and then it subsided for a while. This very morning I applied it and again it is close to initial intensity. None the less, I continue to bear it, as I am very pleased with the results thusfar, much more so than without the cap. Definitely not for the timidOriginally Posted by biggjohn
Last edited by David Dunn; 04-24-2005 at 07:49 PM.
04-25-2005, 09:45 PM
If you put too much cap on, it starts to burn (literally) later in the day. It certainly helps, though. I just use the cap in the morning. Don't want the burn messing up my sleep.
04-29-2005, 08:04 AM
Try a search on our board for clen + lipoderm, as several of us have experimented with it. It was like 3 years ago for me, so I cannot recall dosing. I believe I added 6000 MICROgrams to a bottle.Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
05-01-2005, 04:14 PM
1. 5,000-6,000 MICROgrams/bottleOriginally Posted by biggjohn
2. I'd give yourself a day or two to make sure your body is starting to rely more of FFAs for substrate, but you can start it pretty quick.
3. 1 week on/1 week off is what I both practice and preach.
05-01-2005, 04:17 PM
05-01-2005, 04:34 PM
Did you somehow add dry clen to the bottle, or the equivalent of clen liquid from IBE or Custom Nutritions' products?
05-01-2005, 05:14 PM
05-04-2005, 01:12 PM
have you tried this yet? looks interesting
over at avant this thread suggests 1500 - 3000mcg of clen in a bottle of lipoderm! 6000mcg could be a little much? worth a quick check at least, as par suggests half the dose suggested here in that thread
edit: also, anyone have a recommended amount of nicotine for 'spooky' lipoderm?
05-05-2005, 08:01 AM
At that point we were worried that some of the clenbuterol might get systemic distribution. Real-world use has demonstrated pretty convincingly that this isn't the case, thereby allowing you to dose it higher. I've used a 6000mcg bottle personally.worth a quick check at least, as par suggests half the dose suggested here in that thread
05-05-2005, 08:14 AM
That's one complete bottle of IBE's Clenbuterol HCL 100MCG/ML - 60ML. Oh well, didn't really want to use it orally anyway.Originally Posted by Loki
05-05-2005, 06:20 PM
U said that you had some amazing success with lipoderm-ultra last year. Can you elaborate further please.Originally Posted by biggjohn
05-05-2005, 06:23 PM
Really? WOW! I wonder if it could atleast reduce the size of some gynocomastia? Just a thoughtOriginally Posted by biggjohn
05-05-2005, 06:26 PM
Look you guys are obviously some freaking experts on here. You guys are talking things that is going way over my head here. So educate me a bit. You put this cap hp on your the area you desire to lose some subcutaneous fat and then apply the lipoderm Ultra? I mean how all this works. I am a layman so bear with me and educate me.
05-05-2005, 06:29 PM
Yes, but not on the boobies...it burns really bad.
05-05-2005, 08:01 PM
I had bulk powder from a now defunct site, but the liquid would work. Just don't want like Spiropent, because it is 99.99% filler.Originally Posted by Chippewa
05-05-2005, 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by asap nutrition
Do a search on our board with "LipoDerm and Spooky"
It is a gigantic thread.
05-06-2005, 10:49 AM
05-10-2005, 12:04 PM
05-10-2005, 12:09 PM
Did that but didn't come up with the gigantic thread though. Just this thread pops up and one other.Originally Posted by Par Deus
05-10-2005, 12:10 PM
Really just want to know how to properly use Lipoderm Ultra with Cap HP 1%(I think I have that right) and know what typical results I can expect.
05-10-2005, 12:21 PM
05-10-2005, 12:27 PM
When he said our board he meant www.avantlabs.com or www.mindandmuscle.netOriginally Posted by asap nutrition
Apply the Cap-HP to areas you will be applying the lipo. If you desire, wait a few minutes, then follow up with your lipo applications.
Results are still very dependant on diet/defecit. If this is in check you can expect a modestly more expedient result in comparison to lipo alone.
Caution: Expect this procedure to burn your skin very deeply and painfully.
06-14-2005, 08:12 AM
1 week = -1 inches on the waistline. Reduction in luv handles.
Fairly negative cal deficit, especially carbs. Felt week. 4 X 45 minute cardio sessions helps alot.
Only problems is the whole thing pisses of the GF.
Otherwise very effective.
06-30-2005, 11:05 AM
anyone try adding nicotine to the lipo-ultra?
07-01-2005, 11:20 AM
Given that this stuff literally burns, how much do you put on initially? I guess what im asking is : does a little go a long way with this?
Also anyone know if you can get cap cream in the UK?
07-01-2005, 12:34 PM
It's going to burn like hell the first time so load up. Loky suggested before to apply generously.Originally Posted by chrisa
07-01-2005, 12:46 PM
does the cap cream alone work for spot reduction?
07-01-2005, 12:50 PM
i don't think so, you need something to carry it into the adipose tissue.
07-03-2005, 03:29 PM
The formula on one of the cap creams that someone posted on my board actually looks like it would probably work on its own.
07-03-2005, 03:49 PM
Believe me, cap penetrates the dermis.Originally Posted by j_neatherlin
07-03-2005, 04:38 PM
Are you talking about the bear repelant?Originally Posted by Par Deus
07-03-2005, 07:28 PM
well, I know a guy that uses the same thing that many of us do (Capzasin HP) on his hip area...I told him about cap's ability to inhibit fat storage and he said that his arthritic hip didn't look any leaner than his other hip...then he went on to joke about doing skinfold measurements to be sure.
07-06-2005, 10:25 AM
Is that you in your avatar?Originally Posted by j_neatherlin
Big John, how much of a calorie deficite are you talking about?
On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being getting your arm cut off, does this cap and lipoderm ultra hurt, cause if it works, Im game.
07-06-2005, 10:55 AM
I averaged -500 kcals.Originally Posted by Sky9
Pain depends on the person, 1st time it was a 9. I couldn't sit still.
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