Originally Posted by jagg

Ok... question here....

What the heck is Capsaicin suppose to do anyway? How does it even work? From what I've read it's used to relieve the pain of peripheral neuropathy. I don't see how it can be used in the aid of absorption. Can anyone explain?

All the info to answer your question is in this thread, try page 2.

I dumped a full bottle of IBE Clen into a bottle of LipoSolv. I started with half a bottle and when after a few days I didn't die, I dumped the rest in.

I'd read somewhere it wouldn't go systemic but I wanted to be cautious -- Not sure if that's 100% true based on what I subjectively perceived to be some prolonged thermo effects, but like I said I'm still around to write this message so maybe it won't kill you either.

What interests me more is WHEN to apply this. My thought would be timed around cardio and/or periods of caloric deficiency (before bed?) only, otherwise you're just freeing up fat that will only be redeposited.

Originally Posted by undecipherable

I dumped a full bottle of IBE Clen into a bottle of LipoSolv. I started with half a bottle and when after a few days I didn't die, I dumped the rest in.

I'd read somewhere it wouldn't go systemic but I wanted to be cautious -- Not sure if that's 100% true based on what I subjectively perceived to be some prolonged thermo effects, but like I said I'm still around to write this message so maybe it won't kill you either.

What interests me more is WHEN to apply this. My thought would be timed around cardio and/or periods of caloric deficiency (before bed?) only, otherwise you're just freeing up fat that will only be redeposited.

I guess ... I wouldnt have done more then 30ml.

Originally Posted by Sky9

Recently I read a study stating that when injected into mice with abnormal prostate cells it would encourage the cells to die at normal times instead of continuing to live and possibly become cancerous. Now I wouldnt advice rubbing this stuff on your grundle, but it was an interesting study. I guess the moral of the story is that eating alot of hot peppers may help avoid prostate cancer, if capsaicin can be transported in the blood stream to the prostate after oral administration, which Im not sure if it can. Loky will probably know more about this than me, Im just repeating some stizzy I read on the hizzy.

please post this study... i am interested in what constitutes 'abnormal prostate cells'. Did the capsaican induce apoptosis in these cells?
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Originally Posted by canadian champ

please post this study... i am interested in what constitutes 'abnormal prostate cells'. Did the capsaican induce apoptosis in these cells?
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http://www.webmd.com/content/article/120/113588.htm

Originally Posted by Sky9

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/120/113588.htm

ah very nice thank you. Capsaican induces apoptosis in prostate cancer cells by blocking nf-kb. thanks.
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omg, guys...I gotta give some respect to those of you who have actually gotten through a cycle of cap + lipoderm. SERIOUSLY you guys are f-ing war veterans man. Today was my first day on it (stacked with E/C stack). when I went in the shower and the water first touched my skin I thought I was gonna pass out from the extreme hardcore massive pain that **** caused. I swear if I cheat on my diet or half ass my training while on this napalm I will kill myself. Later guys, i'll be in the gym training hard.

Originally Posted by Alpha-male

omg, guys...I gotta give some respect to those of you who have actually gotten through a cycle of cap + lipoderm. SERIOUSLY you guys are f-ing war veterans man. Today was my first day on it (stacked with E/C stack). when I went in the shower and the water first touched my skin I thought I was gonna pass out from the extreme hardcore massive pain that **** caused. I swear if I cheat on my diet or half ass my training while on this napalm I will kill myself. Later guys, i'll be in the gym training hard.

it gets better from here - you biuld a tolerance fairly quickly. at least i did.

So check it:

This is what I did when I ran out of some products - I made my own. Homemade Mixture of half a tube Cap-HP, half a bottle a Lipo/Clen, 91% ISOA, little tiny bit of DMSO, ALO, and some Water. lol, I put that sh*t in a spray bottle and give myself a couple sprays a day. Unfortunately, like a dumb ass I didn't take measurements for each portions, I just mixed and poured. Feels good thought. Feels like the Cap-HP and Lipo.

Whatch yall think bout it!

1Fast400 Better Hurry up ... They chargered me but I have got my order. lol, BBing.com 's oder arrived before they chargered me!!

Point being I'm running out of dermals!!!

What do you guys think about this:


Apply a thin layer of cap and during the same time add 100mcg of Clen. Rub in together until dry. Apply 4 pumps of Lipoderm Ultra. Let dry.


And yes, it burns....but not all that bad. I'm guessing it may get a little worse.

Add the caP first bro. Add the clen to the lipo - by some 99% ISOA abd mix with DMSO to it ... a little wont make it go systematic.

Dont make harder than it as to be.

Sup everyone, this is just a little 1 week update with some observations. After one week my waist is down 1/2 inch. The cap+lipo continues to burn like a *****, the intensity is the same, but it just lasts alot less time now. Doing cardio on this is still a *****, but I've come with a good way of going about it. Two options: fill up a water bottle and freeze it and bring it with you during cardio and when the burn gets too intense to tolerate, just put the frozen water where it burns for a couple of seconds and the burning sensation subsides. the other option is to have really cold water in a water bottle and when the burn becomes too much, just pour a little ice cold water on your shirt over the area and that temporarily reduced the burning. This **** ain't for the faint of heart, I've already somehow gotten this stuff on my balls once, on my penis twice, and in my ear once, and YES THAT **** BURNED LIKE A MOFO. Another thing, one tube of cap lasted me only 8 days so I think i'm being VERY generous with the amount i'm applying. One more thing, if the cap isn't good for anything else, it IS good for keeping you from ****ing up your diet or having a cheat meal, because after enduring such pain you WON'T wanna cheat on your diet, you WILL want to reap the maximum results possible, so you just WON'T CHEAT. If you do end up cheating, then damn...Peace guys.

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Thanks,
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Sorry to bump this guys. I actually read this whole thread already and figured I'd sign in and post. I went out and bought some Cap HP today..added 15ml of IBE clen to my lipoderm ultra etc etc. Well, I applied the cap..washed my hands..and then added the lipoderm, and the pain isn't all too bad. Maybe I didn't apply enough cap? Did you guys really pile the cap on for that much pain or am I just not seeing the usual pain as others do?

Edit: My Lipoderm is a gel..I wasn't sure if adding the clen was a good idea to the lipoderm gel..if it had to be liquid or what..thanks

^^^ Yeah it doesn't hurt when you first apply it. Go do some cardio after it's on and when you're done your skin will feel like it's on fire.

I found a source for 100% cap....Can you guys imagine how bad this would hurt....I'm guessing it could do some serious damage.....seeing that Extra Strength Cap is .01%.

100% Cap?

Yeah I applied a ****load yesterday and then cardio and it burned like hell. This stuff is impossible to get off. Hours later in the day I'll accidentally rub my eyes or something..then I'll have ****in cap in my eyes

try applying it with a sponge

good idea..I was thinking that or latex gloves..which was someone's idea earlier in the thread

so far this combo looks like it is bloating me...either that or I am actually gaining fat..how is this happening??

Are you certain your diet and training are in check? No amount of magical cream will cure the effects of a poor and/or excessive amount of food.

Originally Posted by chest6

so far this combo looks like it is bloating me...either that or I am actually gaining fat..how is this happening??

Lipoderm will actually cause water retention. You wont see the results until after your cycle/run. That is when all your hard work will be seen and appreciated. So dont freak out. I doubt your gaining fat.

Lastly, I wouldnt recommend this but if you absolutly cant handle the bloat, look into a mild OCT diretic. Most grocery stores carry them.

ok so cap seperately rubbed on the abs and then the lipoderm on top is the best way??

Yeah. My diet is def. in check. I may look like a noob or whatever since I just joined up but I got everything under control. Got all my macros set up and timed etc etc..I doubt I'll get the diuretic...I'll probably notice the difference after I finish up with it.

So someone please explain to me what this Cap Cream is supposed to be doing, I couldnt find a really in depth detailed explanation on this forum or Avants other than "spook said try this", unless the search function is broken

I know several people have tried clen with the lipo/cap combo with good results. I have a some clen and albuterol. When my clen runs out, would it be ok to put albuterol in the mix instead. I know its not supposed to, but albuterol makes me jittery (when taken orally) and Im tryin to avoid that.

Drac,
Spook wrote an article on it somewhere on MindandMuscle.

I thought it was linked or posted here in this thread. Try the first few pages.

But, I remember something about Cap activating brown fat - the type of fat that burns/uses calories rather than just sitting there as a dumb fat cell.

If you could find that it would be great, JMH


I am really considering whether or not to use Cap and the icnreased efficacy of Lipoderm.....I haven't really found any solid empiracle data.

Originally Posted by jmh80

Drac,
Spook wrote an article on it somewhere on MindandMuscle.

I thought it was linked or posted here in this thread. Try the first few pages.

But, I remember something about Cap activating brown fat - the type of fat that burns/uses calories rather than just sitting there as a dumb fat cell.

Huh, well I'll look fer it. I thought brown fat was only found in animals and babies?