Given that this stuff literally burns, how much do you put on initially? I guess what im asking is : does a little go a long way with this?

Also anyone know if you can get cap cream in the UK?

Originally Posted by chrisa

Given that this stuff literally burns, how much do you put on initially? I guess what im asking is : does a little go a long way with this?

Also anyone know if you can get cap cream in the UK?

It's going to burn like hell the first time so load up. Loky suggested before to apply generously.

does the cap cream alone work for spot reduction?

i don't think so, you need something to carry it into the adipose tissue.

The formula on one of the cap creams that someone posted on my board actually looks like it would probably work on its own.

Originally Posted by j_neatherlin

i don't think so, you need something to carry it into the adipose tissue.

Believe me, cap penetrates the dermis.

Originally Posted by Par Deus

The formula on one of the cap creams that someone posted on my board actually looks like it would probably work on its own.

Are you talking about the bear repelant?

well, I know a guy that uses the same thing that many of us do (Capzasin HP) on his hip area...I told him about cap's ability to inhibit fat storage and he said that his arthritic hip didn't look any leaner than his other hip...then he went on to joke about doing skinfold measurements to be sure.

Originally Posted by j_neatherlin

anyone try adding nicotine to the lipo-ultra?

Is that you in your avatar?

Big John, how much of a calorie deficite are you talking about?

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being getting your arm cut off, does this cap and lipoderm ultra hurt, cause if it works, Im game.

Originally Posted by Sky9

Big John, how much of a calorie deficite are you talking about?

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being getting your arm cut off, does this cap and lipoderm ultra hurt, cause if it works, Im game.

I averaged -500 kcals.

Pain depends on the person, 1st time it was a 9. I couldn't sit still.

yeah sky, i answered you in the MP thread...it's me.

the first application didn't really bother me until later in the day when I started sweating at the gym. after 2 weeks or so, it stops hurting all together. but I wouldn't rate it a 9. to me it was more of a 3 or 4...more uncomfortable than actually painful.

For me the first time was a 9 as I used a load of cap after a shower. After that I would agree, it more like a 3.

Well it sounds like someting I might want to try, but in a little while. Thanks for the input guys, Ill make sure I have a leather strap to bite down on the first time, haha.

J Neath, sorry to repeat the question, that is just fecking awsome back definition and mass.

no worries bro. and thanks...but to be honest, in person my back doesn't appear as detailed. even in the hardcopy photograph it doesn't look as dry as it does on the computer.

First time is always the worst (and beware of shower run-off). I remember going heavy on the Cap HP and an hour later I was walking circles in my room in my boxers cursing my head off. If you want an "easier go" you can just use the regular Capzasin, which is 33% of HP's potency.

After a week the receptors start to desensitize and it doesn't even burn all that much.

Originally Posted by Loki

First time is always the worst (and beware of shower run-off). I remember going heavy on the Cap HP and an hour later I was walking circles in my room in my boxers cursing my head off. If you want an "easier go" you can just use the regular Capzasin, which is 33% of HP's potency.

After a week the receptors start to desensitize and it doesn't even burn all that much.

This sounds really interesting, Im definitely gonna have to try it, just to see what its like if nothing else. If I might ask your guys opinion, how does this sound?

1.Run 3 week SD cycle for a lean bulk, starts next week, im really excited
2.Run 3-4 weeks PCT, with slightly above maintenance calories
3.Run lipo and Cap with a slight calorie deficite for cutting along side and EC stack (EC is the greatest IMO), but I dont know how many weeks to do this, Im guess 3-4 weeks, could use some help with this though

I would like to put on a little lean mass, then get a little more cut, then in the winter start a six month bulk using ergomax and/or M1T. Basically Im want to put on mass and try and stay lean at the same time, the ultimate goal of everyone I think. I know its mosly about genetics and diet. My diet has been coming along pretty well, but I could use some improvement. Anyways, Im guess Im just looking for some advice from some people who know their stuff, thanks.

There are definitely numerous advantages to getting lean first and then bulking (provided one does not get so lean that system-wide anabolism does not start shutting down due to perceived starvation).


I think post-PCT you could cut for up to 6 weeks on E/C, although I might go with a little more than just E/C and Lipoderm/Cap if you're going to be starting out with a fair bit of 'droppable' weight on you.

does it matter if the cap is applied 2x/day or would once a day be enough?

I would apply it at least twice/day. You could do as many as three or four but two is enough of a pain in the proverbial ass that I'm not sure additional applications would be worth it. Two per day is certainly effective.

Originally Posted by Loki

There are definitely numerous advantages to getting lean first and then bulking (provided one does not get so lean that system-wide anabolism does not start shutting down due to perceived starvation).


I think post-PCT you could cut for up to 6 weeks on E/C, although I might go with a little more than just E/C and Lipoderm/Cap if you're going to be starting out with a fair bit of 'droppable' weight on you.

Right now I think Im at about 14% BF. Im going to measure this and post new pics tomarrow in my log. I have thought about using clen for a post PCT cut before my big bulk, but I am still unsure of how I would use it. I have read alot, but need to read more before purchasing it with intent to use.
So when I use cap and lipo, I should apply each twice a day right? May I ask what you would advise for additional fat loss supplements, assuming I am around 13-14%BF, besides a kick ass diet and maybe some sesathin???

Interesting, I have to try this...

So when I use cap and lipo, I should apply each twice a day right? May I ask what you would advise for additional fat loss supplements, assuming I am around 13-14%BF, besides a kick ass diet and maybe some sesathin???

From your picture--assuming that's current--you're more like 11-12%.

Twice/day for both.

My ideal simple, effective cutting stack is Sesathin, HEAT, Syneburn (Primaforce) and either cAMP or Lean Green.

Has anybody ever used cap cream on man tits? I'm tempted to give it a try but would like to know if I is too painful.

I am using it right now - 1 week so far. Cap HP and Lipoderm Ultra on my nip/lower chest area. No more burning than on the abs. And I am applying it twice a day. But I do sweat like a whore in church. I am starting to so results already.

Par or Loki,
How much Sesathin can be added to a bottle of lipoderm ultra ?

So what about the clen? Do you just pour it into the Lipoderm? Im gonna get some Cap HP and Lipo tomorrow and give this a go. Ive got some clen left and want to through it in too, just dont know if its that simple? Thinking about adding some nicotine in some form. What do ya'll think?

Originally Posted by Phoenix rising

Par or Loki,
How much Sesathin can be added to a bottle of lipoderm ultra ?

If it's a fresh bottle your going to have to use a few squeezes before you're going to be able to get any in there (it's already pretty much filled to the brim).

I don't think we've actually had anyone spiking their Lipoderm with extra Sesathin--there's already some in there you know.

The carrier is already pretty saturated, but you could probably get a few cc's of the liquid Sesathin to dissolve in it if you wanted--just don't know because I've never heard anybody try it before.

Originally Posted by z28man

So what about the clen? Do you just pour it into the Lipoderm? Im gonna get some Cap HP and Lipo tomorrow and give this a go. Ive got some clen left and want to through it in too, just dont know if its that simple? Thinking about adding some nicotine in some form. What do ya'll think?

Ideally it'd be better if you used powdered, raw nicotine & clen, but, since we don't live in a perfect world and most don't have access to either, yeah, just use your research clen and measure out the appropriate liquid. Then, for nicotine, your only option (if you're not willing to distill it from lozenges or a nic. nasal spray or something) is to put on one or two of the lowest-potency nicotine patches right on the application spots. You'll obviously get systemic uptake of the nicotine, but a fair bit of it will react locally where the patches are.

OUCH! My nipples are on fire!

I found some SKULPT by Ergopharm pretty cheap. Will this work as well or even at all? Also got the cap cream and have some clen left over. So will this be alright?