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    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    Stay tuned everyone... Peak week is approaching. So that means carb loads and pictures to follow
    Good luck man!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    Stay tuned everyone... Peak week is approaching. So that means carb loads and pictures to follow
    Carb loads aww yeahh
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    Carb loads aww yeahh
    Pic's will be epic, vascularity much? haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetinyguy View Post
    Pic's will be epic, vascularity much? haha
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    This week has been all circuit training with low/mid weight and about 20 reps. Only upper body. I've been lifting late so I pretty much lift, throw back some Glycobol and BCAA's then head home for a late dinner.

    One other thing I noticed recently - Glycobol in the morning with breakfast seems to have an effect on intensifying things like drinking coffee. Having a cup of coffee will make your body temperature go up and feel kinda warm, but this is a pretty significant response! I like that... except for the fact Im perspiring on a subway. lol
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    This is what im craving and I cant have any... bleh

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    Those look really good
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    That actually looks disgusting to me, lol.

    I did eat some doughnuts this week though. I can't remember the last time I ate a doughnut
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    That actually looks disgusting to me, lol.

    I did eat some doughnuts this week though. I can't remember the last time I ate a doughnut
    Im gluten intolerant lol. That much flour would kill me. After being gluten intolerant, cakes, sweets, pastas, pizza... All dont even trigger the "omg that looks delicious" signals... more like... mmm... Where is the steak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    This is what im craving and I cant have any... bleh

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    I was never a huge fan of sweets or pastries..but when you make a point not to eat stuff like that, it seems like the cravings come outta nowhere and strong..lol it sucks

    Isn't this wjhere the glycobol comes into play?
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    Ive been really good on my cravings lately! Im not drooling over pasta like I thought I would be. Not saying they aren't there - IM still walkiing down 1st Ave saying "And im gonna eat there, and there, and there..." things like this.
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    Thats all I want. Wings and a Sam Adams Octoberfest... its football season!!!

    Im not carb craver, i like creamy/buttery stuff. So where has glycobol played into things lately? Well my diet these last few days is strictly flounder and spinach. I wont be doing a huge carb load this show so Im utilizing it in 2 places:
    1) 1/4c oatmeal Saturday morning
    2) "Cheat" meal before prejudging

    All week, while training, I would take it right after my workout with BCAAs then hit a late dinner before bed. Did wonders for keeping me alive the next day. I have a sample pack of 3Z for tonight as I usually have difficulty sleeping the night before. I had 3 coats of Protan done yesterday, gonna do 2 more tonight.

    On a side note: one negative effect Im suspecting of Glycobol is my digestive track. Sems like when i bumped up to 2 doses/day I started getting a bit more gassy and man, its potent. Bowel movements have been looser than usual... at times its uncomfortable. I wanted to pin it to diet but it hasnt changed in weeks. Anyone else ever notice this? Im not bloated, but i feel my gut movin a lot.
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    How is your dosing schedule of the product?
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    2 in the morning 1/2hr before breakfast with carbs. 2 in the evening about 1/2hr before bed with 2 scoops BCAA's upon lying down
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    2 in the morning 1/2hr before breakfast with carbs. 2 in the evening about 1/2hr before bed with 2 scoops BCAA's upon lying down
    Maybe I can gain some knowledge. Just curious as to what the glyco does with the amino acids at night?

    Correct me if I'm wrong thought it helps use your carbs for energy instead of fat and to help nutrients to the muscle. Just trying to learn.

    Also I wonder how this interacts with simple/fast carbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Maybe I can gain some knowledge. Just curious as to what the glyco does with the amino acids at night?

    Correct me if I'm wrong thought it helps use your carbs for energy instead of fat and to help nutrients to the muscle. Just trying to learn.

    Also I wonder how this interacts with simple/fast carbs?
    helps boost GH levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh

    helps boost GH levels.
    And with out BCAA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    And with out BCAA?
    Eh.. the idea of taking Glycobol for a sleep aid without some kind of BCAA/meal wouldnt serve much purpose. The whole idea was to get my muscle tissue further ramped up for a refeed such and a meal or quick hit of BCAA's from a late workout to fuel overnight recovery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    Eh.. the idea of taking Glycobol for a sleep aid without some kind of BCAA/meal wouldnt serve much purpose. The whole idea was to get my muscle tissue further ramped up for a refeed such and a meal or quick hit of BCAA's from a late workout to fuel overnight recovery.
    Yeah bad question on my part as it is a nutrient partioniner. I was just trying to see of the benefit w/o food I was thinking what's ONLY BCAA going to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    And with out BCAA?
    I dont see why not but the addittion of the aminos makes for a much better recovery protocol IMO, but soley on he GH boosting aspect, it will prolly work without the aminos

    Evidence for an Inhibitory Effect of Physiological Levels of Insulin on the Growth Hormone (GH) Response to GH-Releasing Hormone in Healthy Subjects
    R. Lanzi, M. F. Manzoni, A. C. Andreotti, M. E. Malighetti, E. Bianchi, L. Piceni Sereni, A. Caumo, L. Luzi and A. E. Pontiroli

    Istituto Scientifico San Raffaele, Cattedra di Medicina Interna (R.L., M.F.M., A.C.A., M.E.M., E.B., L.P.S., L.L., A.E.P.); Unità di Bioingegneria (A.C.), Università degli Studi di Milano, 20132 Milan, Italy

    Address all correspondence and requests for reprints to: Roberto Lanzi, M.D., Istituto Scientifico San Raffaele, Via Olgettina 60, 20132 Milano, Italy.


    Abstract

    It has been previously reported that in healthy subjects, the acute reduction of free fatty acids (FFA) levels by acipimox enhances the GH response to GHRH. In the present study, the GH response to GHRH was evaluated during acute blockade of lipolysis obtained either by acipimox or by insulin at different infusion rates. Six healthy subjects (four men and two women, 25.8 ± 1.9 yrs old, mean ± SE) underwent three GHRH tests (50 µg iv, at 1300 h) during: 1) iv 0.9% NaCl infusion (1200–1500 h) after oral acipimox administration (250 mg) at 0700 h and at 1100 h; 2) 0.1 mU·kg-1·min-1 euglycemic insulin clamp (1200–1500 h) after oral acipimox administration (250 mg at 0700 h and at 1100 h); 3) 0.4 mU·kg-1·min-1 euglycemic insulin clamp (1200–1500 h) after oral placebo administration (at 0700 and 1100 h).

    Serum insulin (immunoreactive insulin) levels were significantly different in the three tests (12 ± 2, 100 ± 10, 194 ± 19 pmol/L, P < 0.05), plasma FFA were low and similar (0.04 ± 0.003, 0.02 ± 0.005, 0.02 ± 0.003, not significant), and the GH response to GHRH was progressively lower (4871 ± 1286, 2414 ± 626, 1076 ± 207 µg/L·120 min), although only test 3 was significantly different from test 1 (P < 0.05). Pooling the three tests together, a significant negative regression was observed between mean serum immunoreactive insulin levels and the GH response to GHRH (r = -0.629, P < 0.01).

    Our results indicate that in healthy subjects, acipimox and hyperinsulinemia produce a similar decrease in FFA levels and that at similar low FFA, the GH response to GHRH is lower during insulin infusion than after acipimox. These data suggest that insulin exerts a negative effect on GH release. Because the insulin levels able to reduce the GH response to GHRH are commonly observed during the day, for instance during the postprandial period, we conclude that the insulin negative effect on GH release may have physiological relevance
    It seems that insulin induced hypoglycemia helps to elevate Growth Hormone BUT at the same time insulin itself can suppresses GH. Growth Hormone is released from the pituitary in response to the GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone) signal from the hypothalamus and insulin prevents this. On the other hand that GH released in response to low blood sugar is not controlled by GHRH, but by something else. (leptin, Ghrelin, or galanin) So while insulin does suppress Growth Hormone release (GHRH), hypoglycemia will stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release. So when low blood sugar is induced by something other than insulin, in this case the NaR-ala in Glycobol I would suspect, it would give an even bigger spike than with insulin because there is no inhibitory effect.

    But again per Dr. D he had recomeneded the combo of Deep sleep + low blood sugar + hyperaminoacidemia. Will it work without the aminos? Maybe.. you can prolly even get by with a scoop of whey or some casein instead of straight BCAAs even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I dont see why not but the addittion of the aminos makes for a much better recovery protocol IMO, but soley on he GH boosting aspect, it will prolly work without the aminos



    It seems that insulin induced hypoglycemia helps to elevate Growth Hormone BUT at the same time insulin itself can suppresses GH. Growth Hormone is released from the pituitary in response to the GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone) signal from the hypothalamus and insulin prevents this. On the other hand that GH released in response to low blood sugar is not controlled by GHRH, but by something else. (leptin, Ghrelin, or galanin) So while insulin does suppress Growth Hormone release (GHRH), hypoglycemia will stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release. So when low blood sugar is induced by something other than insulin, in this case the NaR-ala in Glycobol I would suspect, it would give an even bigger spike than with insulin because there is no inhibitory effect.

    But again per Dr. D he had recomeneded the combo of Deep sleep + low blood sugar + hyperaminoacidemia. Will it work without the aminos? Maybe.. you can prolly even get by with a scoop of whey or some casein instead of straight BCAAs even.
    The whey protein wouldn't spike insulin though? Or are SOME aminos needed for the enhanced GH response?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    The whey protein wouldn't spike insulin though? Or are SOME aminos needed for the enhanced GH response?
    alomost all nutrient we consume are going to elevate insulin to some degree in some way or another. Even the scoop of BCAAs will rise insulin some. As to how much the whey would vs BCAAs.. I honestly dont know. As to if the Whey would raise insulin enough to have an effect on the GH path we are trying to take.. again I am honestly not sure. Only thing I can suggest is to just give it a whirl and see. Try a couple weeks with whey and see if you start to notice improved sleep and recovery and then try with the BCAAs and see if anything changes. I think you will be fine with either. The insulin will prevent GHRH which isnt a concern here as we are using hypoglycemia to stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release and not the GHRH
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    alomost all nutrient we consume are going to elevate insulin to some degree in some way or another. Even the scoop of BCAAs will rise insulin some. As to how much the whey would vs BCAAs.. I honestly dont know. As to if the Whey would raise insulin enough to have an effect on the GH path we are trying to take.. again I am honestly not sure. Only thing I can suggest is to just give it a whirl and see. Try a couple weeks with whey and see if you start to notice improved sleep and recovery and then try with the BCAAs and see if anything changes. I think you will be fine with either. The insulin will prevent GHRH which isnt a concern here as we are using hypoglycemia to stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release and not the GHRH
    ahhh! Now I see. I guess provided they are not carb meals stimulating GH from the hypoglycemic ghrelin response pathway is what your after then the small amount of gluconeogenisis shouldn't hinder the ghrelin response.

    Thanks for clearing that up
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    ahhh! Now I see. I guess provided they are not carb meals stimulating GH from the hypoglycemic ghrelin response pathway is what your after then the small amount of gluconeogenisis shouldn't hinder the ghrelin response.

    Thanks for clearing that up
    Again I just dont know to answer definitively for you bud, sorry. All I can suggest is to try yourself and see what works best because at the end of it all... what works for YOU is all that really matters. As for if it will hinder or not, I do not think so but again not 100% sure. Just experiment and have fun with it
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    Carb>Protein>Fat in order of insulin spike. Although protein isnt terribly far behind and obviously having cabrs and protein together is a double whammy. Hence you often see diets where these carb meals have minimal protein intake surrounding them.

    I, particularly, struggle with my insulin responses to white/starchy/simple carbs. I wish I could show some blood work but here's a round about estimate on how I normally run:

    Fasting glucose: 50-60 mg/dL (Normal 70-100)
    1hr postprandial: will be the highest point - lets estimate 170.
    2hr postprandial: 70-80 - normally a person would just be above the high border and returning to normal (about 120) but I dip waaay low and get sleepy and sloth.

    Normally, that 2 hour mark would show blood glucose just above the normal range and returning to normal. Then around the 3hr mark they may dip below their average and rebound back as insulin response experiences negative feedback. My problem is I overreact. By that 3rd hour I might be pushing critically low blood sugars. I think everytime Ive ever gone to the ER, even if Im feeling fine, theyve handed me orange juice telling me my blood sugar is almost 40.

    I paid close attention to this when having a delicious Diablo burger and french fries. First i felt a little tingle and almost pump in my body as somatic tissue starts to feel full. Plus im just happy to eat a burger. But come that 2 hour mark when I usually start sloutching in the chair with heavy eyelids Im up and ready to go and continue to the next task. I successfully controlled my own natural insulin response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I dont see why not but the addittion of the aminos makes for a much better recovery protocol IMO, but soley on he GH boosting aspect, it will prolly work without the aminos



    It seems that insulin induced hypoglycemia helps to elevate Growth Hormone BUT at the same time insulin itself can suppresses GH. Growth Hormone is released from the pituitary in response to the GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone) signal from the hypothalamus and insulin prevents this. On the other hand that GH released in response to low blood sugar is not controlled by GHRH, but by something else. (leptin, Ghrelin, or galanin) So while insulin does suppress Growth Hormone release (GHRH), hypoglycemia will stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release. So when low blood sugar is induced by something other than insulin, in this case the NaR-ala in Glycobol I would suspect, it would give an even bigger spike than with insulin because there is no inhibitory effect.

    But again per Dr. D he had recomeneded the combo of Deep sleep + low blood sugar + hyperaminoacidemia. Will it work without the aminos? Maybe.. you can prolly even get by with a scoop of whey or some casein instead of straight BCAAs even.
    From my understanding, this statement is correct
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    Theres a lot of support towards that statement with casein and the slow breakdown. I think a lot of it is individually dependent. Nothings quite proven either way on this yet.
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    Went back to the gym today. Just did an upper body circuit - some light stuff to get me back into the swing of things. Also because I was itching for some physical activity. Threw back 2 glycobol post workout, had my BCAAs, went home and made THIS
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    Hungarian guylash. Mmm a taste of home. And not too bad a breakdown either - minus the whole wheat flour.

    Simmer grape seed oil and brown 1.5 lb top round serloin stew meat tossed in black paper, paprika, sea salt, and whole wheat flour.
    (I like grape seed oil - awesome for the omegas and a bit sweet in taste. Good for cardiovascular health too)
    Removed some of the oil, browned some onions, turnips, celery, and mushrooms. No carrots - not a fan, plus its sugary.
    And a little red wine vinegar, more paprika, and some tomato sauce... ok the tomato sauce has sodium and some fruit sugars.
    Add in 2 cubed sweet potatos and serloin. Add water (not stock), boil. Add basil, 3 bay leaves, MORE paprika, cayenne pepper.
    Bring down to simmer, cover, and wait about 45min. Delish. Probably something of a 2:1:1 carb: protein: fat and like 100mg sodium.
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    Nice meal man!! Great in subbing out the wheat flour. I'm gluten intolerant so I've been looking for ways to eat many dishes without flour.
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    Hungarian guylash. Mmm a taste of home. And not too bad a breakdown either - minus the whole wheat flour.
    So do you eat like 12 of those bowls? It looks pretty small, lol.

    It's not uncommon for me to eat out of mixing bowls
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    So I took a few days off Glycobol. I needed some time away from the whole diet/training/supplement thing.

    This will be good as I can kind of start fresh and see some differences in how I feel. My $#!^ isnt that weird green anymore. So far the only downside to Glycobol is when it leaves my system. Im taking a probiotic now and im thinking those little bugs might help keep this side effect in check.

    Now ill be consiming carb by my own means. That means big pumps at the gym! We've seen what its like on depletion... now lets see what happens when we get all carbed up. Im trying to get big again!

    Aaand here's your daily Glycopic.
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    I know I need to eat more carbs.

    Anyhow since you took a break, did you re-evaluate timing and what your eating and how many pills you are taking with x amount of carbs & also the time frame between each dose?

    If you did can you give us a break down of what your glycobol routine looks like now?
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    Here's how my training and diet are scheduled. I just redesigned it yesterday and feeling pretty good about it.

    Tuesday/Thursday
    (5AM)>30min fasted cardio
    First dose of glycobol
    (5:30)>4 egg whites w/ spinach, 1/2c steel cut oats, 1 c green tea
    (7:00)>1 scoops whey w/coffee before work
    (9:30)>5-6oz lean white poultry or fish, 1c green vegetables
    (12:30)>Same as above
    (4:00)>Same as above
    (6:00)
    (6:30)> Off training days, same as above
    On training days, 2 scoops whey, BCAA's, 1 banana, a tsp of sesame oil and if im cycling a preworkout
    (Postworkout)> BCAA's and 2nd dose immediately after, 5-6oz fish, 1 sweet potato or 1/2c brown rice
    I do a little 10-20min walk and stretch to unwind before heading home
    (9:30)> 2oz tuna, apple cider vinegar, salad greens and veggies
    (10:30)>Bed time
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    Are u running 4 caps of glycolbol?
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    Saturday/Sunday
    I lift upon awakening these days
    >30min fasted cardio, 1st dose Glycobol
    >Same Preworkout shake
    >Same dosing protocol and postworkout nutrition
    >Now postworkout meal is Meal 1: eggs and oatmeal

    The rest of my day is low carb, just meat and veggies.
    Unless its my once-a-week cheat meal.

    This is plan - going for clean weight gain. Im tryin to get biiiigg
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Are u running 4 caps of glycolbol?
    Yeah - I forgot to mention the 2nd dose off training. Someone here got me into the idea of BCAA's and Glycobol before bed. Soo Im doin that MWF
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    Have you ever had sweet potato pie? I never even heard of it until I moved to the south. It's similar to pumpkin pie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    Have you ever had sweet potato pie? I never even heard of it until I moved to the south. It's similar to pumpkin pie.
    Will devour sweet potato pie!
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    It's a lot better than it sounds...and goes quite well with two capsules of Glycobol
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    It's a lot better than it sounds...and goes quite well with two capsules of Glycobol
    Wish I could make it
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