New Ams Ph - Dienedrone!!!

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  1. If the Piperine is supposed to help with absorption, won't the Milk Thistle counter it? This product is non-methylated, so I don't see why Milk Thistle is needed. I remember a few years ago, before the "methyl age", non-methyls were always recommended without Milk Thistle to ensure absorption. Some went as far as to eat grapefruit or other foods to enhance absorption. In fact, Milk Thistle really didn't get to the forefront of cycling until M1T was introduced.

    At the price posted on the other website, it is much cheaper to buy one of the existing Estra (Xtreme Tren) products than this.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    Actually, with the double bond missing at 11, you would mean to write 17-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one instead of triene.

    shouldn't be a d-bond missing if its related to what he's stating...shouldn't be a d-bond at all. I'd like to know the final chem makeup
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    shouldn't be a d-bond missing if its related to what he's stating...shouldn't be a d-bond at all. I'd like to know the final chem makeup
    17-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one
    This is the chemical "makeup". Another double bond at the 11th carbon would make it a trenbolone precursor. Without it, it is a dienolone precursor.

  4. i thought he said it was a tren missing an 11 double bond, that's where he threw me for a loop. Maybe i misread it.
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  5. Never mind, he said that it was missing the11 double bond but when he said tren like I thought he meant trenbolone as in exact.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Never mind, he said that it was missing the11 double bond but when he said tren like I thought he meant trenbolone as in exact.
    You try to confuse!


    No seriously, I'm not sure what you mean by someone referring to tren, I just corrected the nomenclature on that ecu's post.

  7. x3 on the 3-one version. Since this is being banned and the loopholes in the law seem rather easy to get around most of the time, I'd love to see the 3-one version. Or even the diol version of pro-dienolone at least

  8. is this a other clone or a new compound ??

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    You try to confuse!


    No seriously, I'm not sure what you mean by someone referring to tren, I just corrected the nomenclature on that ecu's post.
    thanks

    I was referring to the original post of the thread, but thanks.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    x3 on the 3-one version. Since this is being banned and the loopholes in the law seem rather easy to get around most of the time, I'd love to see the 3-one version. Or even the diol version of pro-dienolone at least
    This is the 3-keto version. 3,17 dione. Do you mean the androstane version? 3-hydroxy, 17-one?
    I agree a -diol version would be interesting. I asked about this a long time ago and no one seemed to know why they went w/the -dione.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    This is the 3-keto version. 3,17 dione. Do you mean the androstane version? 3-hydroxy, 17-one?
    I agree a -diol version would be interesting. I asked about this a long time ago and no one seemed to know why they went w/the -dione.
    No diol is sorta strange these days. But it seems the Estra-4,9...Dione is available in raw powder on tons of import sites. By the 3-one I just meant active dienolone 17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9-Diene-3-one , or unmethylated Methyl-D. I was half asleep when I typed that, sorry.

    I seen an old archived conversion from Kneller who was talking about how unusual it was that regular dienolone had a much stronger binding affinity for the androgen receptor than methyldienolone, which I though was interesting.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    No diol is sorta strange these days. But it seems the Estra-4,9...Dione is available in raw powder on tons of import sites. By the 3-one I just meant active dienolone 17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9-Diene-3-one , or unmethylated Methyl-D. I was half asleep when I typed that, sorry.

    I seen an old archived conversion from Kneller who was talking about how unusual it was that regular dienolone had a much stronger binding affinity for the androgen receptor than methyldienolone, which I though was interesting.
    got ya

  13. [QUOTE=stxnas;1435849]I've noticed that AMS likes to use actives that require conversion...I guess this helps keep them more close to being legal than some of these other actives that being used.

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    I think your on to something stxnas!

    I have the structure somewhere amongst about a thousand emails. I'll try to find it but have a case coming in later this week or by Monday. I'll post the whole structure for you guys!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    LOL! You're quite the sleuth MuscleBound.

    EDIT: I just found this. That's a nice amount of active per capsule and they tossed in some piperine to help with absorption. I'm not sure what the flavonoid is for though...

    well nm you guys beat me to the punch. lol

  15. Man I gotta tell ya...I love this board.


    I'll get more info from my chemist. A few posts are pretty familair however....


    LD

  16. bump...? anyone know what is it exactly ?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thahotboy View Post
    bump...? anyone know what is it exactly ?

    Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione

    A direct precursor to Tren. I actually asked a non-biased chemist this question. He mentioned it would be the first direct precursor to tren on the market.

    LD

  18. nice ! thx !:P

  19. It's a Dienolone precursor, the same thing as Tren Xtreme, Xtreme Tren, T-Roid, etc. but Dienedrone has a higher dose per cap (50mg).

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    The active metabolite in this case is the nandrolone derivative Estra-4,9-dien-17b-ol-3-one and according to Vida, it has an anabolic potency equal to methyltestosterone and an androgenic potency 0.1 times... This has been referred to as a trenbolone precursor, however this is inaccurate because trenbolone has an additional double bond in the structure and the body does not have the capacity to insert this double bond.

  20. Anyone have a difinative answer on this with structures etc. Laze says it is a tren precursor and Ziquor says Dienolone...... anyone?

    Mr.50

  21. Estra-4,9-Diene-3,17-Dione

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    19-Norandrosta-4,9-Diene-3,17-Dione:



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  22. not sure why everybody is getting all excited... if the compound is Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione then it's nothing new like stated above

    PharmagenX came out with this compound back in like 03'

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Movin_weight View Post
    not sure why everybody is getting all excited... if the compound is Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione then it's nothing new like stated above

    PharmagenX came out with this compound back in like 03'

    Thanks Ziquor. I agree with Movin if this is the substance of the compound then, nice compound with good dosage but nothing new...... Laze any more feedback on this?

    Mr.50

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Movin_weight View Post
    not sure why everybody is getting all excited... if the compound is Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione then it's nothing new like stated above

    PharmagenX came out with this compound back in like 03'
    Yeah Finigenx was the original dienolone precurser in an oral syringe formula. But they changed the formula in late '06 / early '07 to something new. Many people think American Cellular Labs Tren Xtreme was the original but it's just a way overpriced clone.

    The AMS version here would be nice at 50mg/cap since most clones are 30mg. Hell just one cap a day would be enough for some newbs.

  25. Damn, I haven't visited this in a while...from the looks of it we haven't made any progress, lol.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  26. Quote Originally Posted by LazeDragon View Post
    Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione

    A direct precursor to Tren. I actually asked a non-biased chemist this question. He mentioned it would be the first direct precursor to tren on the market.

    LD
    If that is the exact compound then its a dienolone precursor, and its not the first, there is a lot of identical products on the market, like this: MOD EDIT: You broke 2 rules here. Read them and many more.

    Nothing really new, one more clone.

    Why don't do it the -diol version of that PH?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    I wonder if it could be this
    The chemically-structured 'little cousin' of Methyltrienolone, one of the most potent steroids ever developed, 'MethylDienolone,' which also goes by the names 'Methyldien' & it's true, structural designation 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestra-4,9(10)dien-3-one, is one of the newest & most misunderstood 17-alpha-alkylated (i.e. 'methylated') androgens to have recently emerged in the PH/AAS market as of late.

    Little true data exists concerning the use of methyldienolone in humans, and-- at the moment I am writing this article-- user feedback concerning the compound simply does not exist to any significant degree. To my knowledge, at present, I am one of only a half-dozen individuals in the United States to have used methyldienolone in a cycle. Thus, for the purposes of this piece, I will be relying more on my own individual experiences/observations with the compound, rather than lab assays & its presumed anabolic:androgenic activity ratio.

    Methyldienolone, for all extents & purposes, can best be thought of as a highly orally bioavailable, non-aromatizing 19-Nortestosterone derivative that boasts a very anabolic and moderately androgenic profile. Just to give you an idea, methyldienolone is only a single double-bond away from the 'ubersteroid' 17a-Methyl-17b-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-Trien-3-one, one of the most anabolic (as well as hepatotoxic) steroids known to man.

    In my own limited experience with the compound, methyldienolone is a rather singular androgen in its utter absence of effects on mood, energy levels, and SNS activity. While it is moderately androgenic (and thus has the penchant to produce any/all of the typical androgenic sides associated with PH/AAS use [acne, hair loss, prostate hypertrophy, et. al.]), methyldienolone does not appear to have any significant effect on energy levels, appetite, aggression/complacency, or cognitive capacity. Furthermore, given its close structural similarities to methyltrienolone (as well as its tremendous potency), methyldienolone is probably also the most hepatotoxic commercially-available 17aa-androgen currently. As with all 17aa-androgens, those with prior liver conditions &/or concerns in this regard should make sure they exercise the upmost caution if they choose to pursue methyldienolone for personal use.

    In terms of its anabolic capabilities, methyldienolone is, without doubt, the most potent (on a mg/mg basis), widely-available 17aa-androgen that one can currently obtain 'legally' (Author's note: Although it is important to note that the actual 'legality' of this class of compounds [re: 17aa-androgens] in compliance with the terms of DSHEA should be considered 'highly questionable' at best). As a comparison, 1mg of methyldienolone seems to be equivalent, anabolically, to ~8-12mg of 17aa-1-Testosterone (also known as Methyl-1-Test). Impressive (and often rapid) LBM gains (even in the face of a caloric deficit), marginal strength increases, and noticeable aesthetic improvements in vascularity, muscle hardness & fullness, and leanness are all facets to methyldienolone use that I have witnessed first-hand.

    As a stand-alone androgen, methyldienolone should be used @ 1-3mg/day. Heavily experienced &/or much larger lifters might do better with 4-5mg/day, and I do not feel that there is any need whatsoever to exceed the 5mg/day dose-range. 750mcg-1000mcg (1mg) of methyldienolone can also be used in stacks with other androgens as well, although it is NOT recommended the use of methyldienolone in conjuction with aromatizing androgens such as 4-androstenediol (4AD) due to the potential incidence of progesterone-induced side-effects, which can negatively affect mood, skin appearance, insulin sensitivity, and vascularity, among other potentially-detrimental occurences/conditions.
    It is easy too see you have never used this as you wouldnt bother quoting this jargon, methyl dien is pretty much rubbish, you have too use at least 19mg a day too see results, plus its very mild, no real side effects, I have used it, if it was any good, there would be tons of logs on it like M1t, and superdrol and its clones, dont bother quoting stuff you know nothing about, its silly.
    As for the original question about this new compound, sounds like tren extreme. Should be good to finish off a methylated cycle or to stack it with M-drol.. niceizza:

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Estra-4,9-Diene-3,17-Dione

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    19-Norandrosta-4,9-Diene-3,17-Dione:



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    If it was a diol, then i would be interested, cant get that here./

  29. It's an unmethylated dione version of Methyl-Dienolone. But even though it's non-methyl, it binds to the androgen receptor much more strongly than methyldienolone so it's theoretically more potent than Methyl-D. Not dose wise, but overall for gains. This could explain why people seem to have much better results with dienolone(dione) over Methyldienolone.
  30. diol


    Quote Originally Posted by russianstar View Post
    If it was a diol, then i would be interested, cant get that here./
    +1

    I'll wait to AMS Dienediol
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