New Ams Ph - Dienedrone!!!

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  1. yeah, that's what it's showing Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione to be in chemdraw


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ecu19 View Post
    yeah, that's what it's showing Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione to be in chemdraw

    LazeDragon and chance you can confirm or deny this? A product with a good dosage of a known compound or a new compound altogether and pre-release lables are not "final" lables??

    Mr.50
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ecu19 View Post
    17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9-trien-3-one
    Actually, with the double bond missing at 11, you would mean to write 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one instead of triene.


  4. Damn, I need to brush up on my organic...
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    Actually, with the double bond missing at 11, you would mean to write 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one instead of triene.

    You are correct, I guess that's what a couple brewskies does to you before posting
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  6. If the Piperine is supposed to help with absorption, won't the Milk Thistle counter it? This product is non-methylated, so I don't see why Milk Thistle is needed. I remember a few years ago, before the "methyl age", non-methyls were always recommended without Milk Thistle to ensure absorption. Some went as far as to eat grapefruit or other foods to enhance absorption. In fact, Milk Thistle really didn't get to the forefront of cycling until M1T was introduced.

    At the price posted on the other website, it is much cheaper to buy one of the existing Estra (Xtreme Tren) products than this.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    Actually, with the double bond missing at 11, you would mean to write 17-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one instead of triene.

    shouldn't be a d-bond missing if its related to what he's stating...shouldn't be a d-bond at all. I'd like to know the final chem makeup
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    shouldn't be a d-bond missing if its related to what he's stating...shouldn't be a d-bond at all. I'd like to know the final chem makeup
    17-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one
    This is the chemical "makeup". Another double bond at the 11th carbon would make it a trenbolone precursor. Without it, it is a dienolone precursor.

  9. i thought he said it was a tren missing an 11 double bond, that's where he threw me for a loop. Maybe i misread it.
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  10. Never mind, he said that it was missing the11 double bond but when he said tren like I thought he meant trenbolone as in exact.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Never mind, he said that it was missing the11 double bond but when he said tren like I thought he meant trenbolone as in exact.
    You try to confuse!


    No seriously, I'm not sure what you mean by someone referring to tren, I just corrected the nomenclature on that ecu's post.

  12. x3 on the 3-one version. Since this is being banned and the loopholes in the law seem rather easy to get around most of the time, I'd love to see the 3-one version. Or even the diol version of pro-dienolone at least

  13. is this a other clone or a new compound ??

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    You try to confuse!


    No seriously, I'm not sure what you mean by someone referring to tren, I just corrected the nomenclature on that ecu's post.
    thanks

    I was referring to the original post of the thread, but thanks.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    x3 on the 3-one version. Since this is being banned and the loopholes in the law seem rather easy to get around most of the time, I'd love to see the 3-one version. Or even the diol version of pro-dienolone at least
    This is the 3-keto version. 3,17 dione. Do you mean the androstane version? 3-hydroxy, 17-one?
    I agree a -diol version would be interesting. I asked about this a long time ago and no one seemed to know why they went w/the -dione.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    This is the 3-keto version. 3,17 dione. Do you mean the androstane version? 3-hydroxy, 17-one?
    I agree a -diol version would be interesting. I asked about this a long time ago and no one seemed to know why they went w/the -dione.
    No diol is sorta strange these days. But it seems the Estra-4,9...Dione is available in raw powder on tons of import sites. By the 3-one I just meant active dienolone 17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9-Diene-3-one , or unmethylated Methyl-D. I was half asleep when I typed that, sorry.

    I seen an old archived conversion from Kneller who was talking about how unusual it was that regular dienolone had a much stronger binding affinity for the androgen receptor than methyldienolone, which I though was interesting.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    No diol is sorta strange these days. But it seems the Estra-4,9...Dione is available in raw powder on tons of import sites. By the 3-one I just meant active dienolone 17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9-Diene-3-one , or unmethylated Methyl-D. I was half asleep when I typed that, sorry.

    I seen an old archived conversion from Kneller who was talking about how unusual it was that regular dienolone had a much stronger binding affinity for the androgen receptor than methyldienolone, which I though was interesting.
    got ya

  18. [QUOTE=stxnas;1435849]I've noticed that AMS likes to use actives that require conversion...I guess this helps keep them more close to being legal than some of these other actives that being used.

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    I think your on to something stxnas!

    I have the structure somewhere amongst about a thousand emails. I'll try to find it but have a case coming in later this week or by Monday. I'll post the whole structure for you guys!

  19. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    LOL! You're quite the sleuth MuscleBound.

    EDIT: I just found this. That's a nice amount of active per capsule and they tossed in some piperine to help with absorption. I'm not sure what the flavonoid is for though...

    well nm you guys beat me to the punch. lol

  20. Man I gotta tell ya...I love this board.


    I'll get more info from my chemist. A few posts are pretty familair however....


    LD

  21. bump...? anyone know what is it exactly ?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by thahotboy View Post
    bump...? anyone know what is it exactly ?

    Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione

    A direct precursor to Tren. I actually asked a non-biased chemist this question. He mentioned it would be the first direct precursor to tren on the market.

    LD

  23. nice ! thx !:P

  24. It's a Dienolone precursor, the same thing as Tren Xtreme, Xtreme Tren, T-Roid, etc. but Dienedrone has a higher dose per cap (50mg).

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    The active metabolite in this case is the nandrolone derivative Estra-4,9-dien-17b-ol-3-one and according to Vida, it has an anabolic potency equal to methyltestosterone and an androgenic potency 0.1 times... This has been referred to as a trenbolone precursor, however this is inaccurate because trenbolone has an additional double bond in the structure and the body does not have the capacity to insert this double bond.

  25. Anyone have a difinative answer on this with structures etc. Laze says it is a tren precursor and Ziquor says Dienolone...... anyone?

    Mr.50
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