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  1. Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    That would be awesome. I've thought about doing this myself. I do have one bottle I wonder if that would be enough for a short topical cycle.
    Absorption transdermally is above 30% with a good carrier, orally it is best at 5%, you will have plenty and it will be a strong transdermal at that. Get you a carrier and mix it up.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    How much you gain?
    it fluctuates, right between 5 and 10 pounds, eating alot too, i started with 2 weeks of 1andro and 4ad, then started mass drops the 3rd wk, got another bottle of 4ad so i can finish out with the drops and 4ad, think the ****in 4ad makes me dizzy so i mite stop that and just finish out drops....
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  3. I'll post results! Feeling good right now!

  4. Good deal.
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  5. I can't wait to try!
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  6. Primordial Performance sells OHV topical carrier.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Freepress
    Primordial Performance sells OHV topical carrier.
    And??
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    And??
    A poster mentioned having the same desire I do - making a topical 19nor with the original DecaVol capsules. I was merely directing him to where he could get the carrier.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny

    Absorption transdermally is above 30% with a good carrier, orally it is best at 5%, you will have plenty and it will be a strong transdermal at that. Get you a carrier and mix it up.
    Sounds good. Thanks oufinny. I'll keep you posted when I run it. Probably just get a primordial carrier.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Freepress
    Primordial Performance sells OHV topical carrier.
    Thanks freepress. I posted before I saw your reply. But I think that is what I will do. convert my ams decavol to a transdermal and maybe run it with some ams 4ad tabs.
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  11. It is my personal opinion, based on sound research of course, that a transdermal 19norDHEA cycle would be killer. Having personally taken Primordial's 1-T topical product, I and many others found it to be far superior to any of the oral 1-androsterone/5-DHEA supplements out there.

    Not only was the conversion essentially guaranteed because of the androgenic skin enzymes present on the body's upper trunk, but the consistent delivery from the topical carrier kept your levels steady. I picked up eight solid pounds off a six-week cycle, kept it all, and had a raging libido and felt great the entire cycle. The 5-DHEA and pregenelone combo via transdermal carrier was the ticket to balancing out the effects of the compound and mitigating the 1-Andro's lethargy.

    Any oral 1-Andro supplements I've tried have given me terrible lethargy and left my sex drive completely bottomed out. I had some success at offsetting those effects by stacking other compounds, but never have I found another cycle that felt as good as the transdermal 1-T.

    I would strongly suggest you hunt down some AMS 1-Alpha to stack your topical DecaVol with. The enhanced absorption and consistent delivery of the topical is going to kick, I have a feeling. You will need the DHT to keep lead in the pencil, so to speak.

    Keep me posted on your transdermal DecaVol cycle. I will be watching enthusiastically.

  12. There is actually no guaranteed perfect conversion just because you rub it on the skin. Sulfotransferase enzymes are abundant on the skin as well. Which conjugate your ph and essentially render part of it useless.
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  13. Hence the reason I used the term "essentially." There is no perfect scenario. But it's safe to say you stand a much greater chance of conversion through topical administration of these hormones.

    But the success rate of transdermal non-methylated hormones doing what they're intended to do, it would appear from the years of anecdotal evidence I've read through logs, is much greater than when DHEA metabolites are administered topically.

    I hate to keep bringing up Primordial, but since they were the key player in the topical prohormone game for so long and established a foothold there that they senselessly abandoned, they provide for good fodder. Their oral prohormone formulas identical to their topicals paled in comparison. There are hundreds of accounts on the web via logs that demonstrate great disappointment when users who had previously tried their topicals went to their "Liqui-Vade" formulas.

    I am one of those.

    Transdermal delivery is just plain damned efficient and consistent. It's more difficult to maintain that level of consistency in results when you are administering non-methylated DHEA metabolites through oral delivery. Their company's new concept of 24-hour softgels appears to be delivering results, but still rather inconsistently.

    The pharmeceutical companies tried this with Andriol, the prescription testosterone softgel. And getting stable and consistent results out of it has been difficult.

    But back to my original point, I would feel confident in asserting that a topical 19nor would make for a good ride.

  14. I don't disagree with most anything you have said. I believe pp is bringing back some topicals btw. Also the AMS product is not exactly an oral product. It is designed to melt under the tongue for a reason. I know you were not referring to that but I wanted to clarify for others reading.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I don't disagree with most anything you have said. I believe pp is bringing back some topicals btw. Also the AMS product is not exactly an oral product. It is designed to melt under the tongue for a reason. I know you were not referring to that but I wanted to clarify for others reading.
    Absolutely. Sublingual absorption is a totally different animal than oral administration.

    I used your first generation of RD tabs and had a nice run. My only complaint was that I thought they took a little longer than I desired to dissolve. I was expecting effervesence. I'm glad to hear that you have tackled that beast with the new RDe delivery system.

    My next PH run, I am 99 percent certain, will include AMS products.

    As for PP's plans, I knew Eric brought back topical Dermacrine as a limited release to one retailer after a huge outcry. It was a welcomed return. I picked some up and ran it with some Epi. Great stuff. But doing away with topical 1-T was a travesty, IMHO.

    The killed their flagship supplements in favor of a big, expensive experiment that is not consistently meeting expectations. The AndroSeries is cool in theory, but it's extremely pricey and a big gamble to make.

    Sorry to be long winded and perhaps off topic, but it's always been a pet peeve of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepress View Post
    Absolutely. Sublingual absorption is a totally different animal than oral administration.

    I used your first generation of RD tabs and had a nice run. My only complaint was that I thought they took a little longer than I desired to dissolve. I was expecting effervesence. I'm glad to hear that you have tackled that beast with the new RDe delivery system.

    My next PH run, I am 99 percent certain, will include AMS products.

    As for PP's plans, I knew Eric brought back topical Dermacrine as a limited release to one retailer after a huge outcry. It was a welcomed return. I picked some up and ran it with some Epi. Great stuff. But doing away with topical 1-T was a travesty, IMHO.

    The killed their flagship supplements in favor of a big, expensive experiment that is not consistently meeting expectations. The AndroSeries is cool in theory, but it's extremely pricey and a big gamble to make.

    Sorry to be long winded and perhaps off topic, but it's always been a pet peeve of mine.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1 View Post
    We love customer feedback, good and bad.. how else can a company give its consumers what they want without HEARING what they want..
    can i get an AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Freepress View Post
    Absolutely. Sublingual absorption is a totally different animal than oral administration.

    I used your first generation of RD tabs and had a nice run. My only complaint was that I thought they took a little longer than I desired to dissolve. I was expecting effervesence. I'm glad to hear that you have tackled that beast with the new RDe delivery system.

    My next PH run, I am 99 percent certain, will include AMS products.

    As for PP's plans, I knew Eric brought back topical Dermacrine as a limited release to one retailer after a huge outcry. It was a welcomed return. I picked some up and ran it with some Epi. Great stuff. But doing away with topical 1-T was a travesty, IMHO.

    The killed their flagship supplements in favor of a big, expensive experiment that is not consistently meeting expectations. The AndroSeries is cool in theory, but it's extremely pricey and a big gamble to make.

    Sorry to be long winded and perhaps off topic, but it's always been a pet peeve of mine.
    hey freepress, how was the epi/derm stack for ya?? have my epi now and was gona throw in some derm for a cycle before summer
    T2

  19. I absolutely loved it. Epi and topical Dermacrine is a match made in heaven, and it makes for an inexpensive cycle.

    I started the Epi after a week of already being on the Dermacrine. Topicals take time to deliver, and the ultimate goal was to use the 5-DHEA and pregenelone to mitigate any lethargy that may have arisen as a result of the Epi.

    I felt like a million bucks. As a matter of fact, it was almost euphoric. My sex drive was crazy - off the charts. I don't even recall being that horny as a teen-ager. My wife could not keep up with me during that six-week journey.

    Dermacrine is an excellent test base for a dry compound like Epi. I recommended it to others and they experienced similar effects.

    I realize this is an AMS thread, and I apologize for hijacking it, but you asked.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Freepress View Post
    I absolutely loved it. Epi and topical Dermacrine is a match made in heaven, and it makes for an inexpensive cycle.

    I started the Epi after a week of already being on the Dermacrine. Topicals take time to deliver, and the ultimate goal was to use the 5-DHEA and pregenelone to mitigate any lethargy that may have arisen as a result of the Epi.

    I felt like a million bucks. As a matter of fact, it was almost euphoric. My sex drive was crazy - off the charts. I don't even recall being that horny as a teen-ager. My wife could not keep up with me during that six-week journey.

    Dermacrine is an excellent test base for a dry compound like Epi. I recommended it to others and they experienced similar effects.

    I realize this is an AMS thread, and I apologize for hijacking it, but you asked.
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  21. Besides, my last log over at Primordial forums was Ultradrol plus two AMS products

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Freepress View Post
    Besides, my last log over at Primordial forums was Ultradrol plus two AMS products
    Ok that's much better...
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  23. ALL AMS products!!!!
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    ALL AMS products!!!!
    BOOOM!!!!!!!!!!
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  25. wOw, These drops taste pretty bad, like just about every other sup. in the world but dang are they easy and fast!! Great product
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