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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    thats not a pct. thats an extension of your cycle. these are androgens

    I'm stacking my Osta Rx with AndroHard LV. I was just told this was pointless though and I don't really understand why. If I think of Osta Rx as an androgen then why not stack it with androhard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I'm stacking my Osta Rx with AndroHard LV. I was just told this was pointless though and I don't really understand why. If I think of Osta Rx as an androgen then why not stack it with androhard?

    makes as much sense as stacking any other two anabolic steroids.

    i assume androhard is a prohormone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    makes as much sense as stacking any other two anabolic steroids.

    i assume androhard is a prohormone
    Yes, androhard is a pro-hormone to DHT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone

    Yes, androhard is a pro-hormone to DHT.
    You mean it isn't a hard androgen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    makes as much sense as stacking any other two anabolic steroids.

    i assume androhard is a prohormone
    Like stacking test with dht!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    You mean it isn't a hard androgen?

    i am not sure what hard androgen means. sounds like a bro term. u mean has a low anabolic / androgenic index?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i am not sure what hard androgen means. sounds like a bro term. u mean has a low anabolic / androgenic index?

    no no silly goose, i was using my dry sense of humor.

    androhard could imply it's some kind of hard androgen instead of being a product that contained esterfied epiandrosterone as well as esterfied androsterone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    no anabolic steroid was able to acheive complete selectivety of anabolic from androgenic effects. And likewise, these SARMs (although they can recheive a remarkable degree of selectivity at lower dosages) have not acheived complete selectivity either. In fact I see little evidence that they are superior in this regard to the cleanest of the AAS (primo, anavar, nandrolone)

    "In general, SARMs are defined as tissue-selective AR ligands [7]. An ideal SARM should also have (i) high specificity for the AR, (ii) improved oral bioavailability and a pharmacokinetic profile that allows once-a-day administration and, most importantly, (iii) desirable, tissue-selective pharmacological activities. The major discriminating criterion is tissue selectivity of the ligand in vivo, so both agonists and antagonists, and steroidal and non-steroidal ligands might be classified as SARMs. The major goal in the development of SARMs is to avoid the undesirable side-effects of treatment by improving the tissue selectivity of the ligands. This would greatly extend the clinical applications of these ligands beyond primary and secondary hypogonadism. Other potential applications for SARMs include hormone-replacement therapy, osteoporosis, muscle wasting, male contraception, BPH and prostate cancer"
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2072879/

    Seems like SARMs would include all androgens with a q-ratio other than 1, and all anti-androgens as well. Ostarine fits the criteria for (ii) quite well since it has good oral bioavailability and a 24hr half-life...as does winstrol. Targeting growth in skeletal muscle while limiting growth in the prostate was the goal of developing lots of anabolics in past decades and seems to be one of the main goals of this new SARM category:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17086931

    From that first link it sounds like the category "SARM" was invented to include the non-steroidal AR agonists. Of course these can still rightfully be called androgens...

    I am wondering why there is some fundamental need for this category to exist. Better for getting funding for research when you say you are studying a receptor modulator instead of an anabolic steroid/androgen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeBig22 View Post
    ht

    From that first link it sounds like the category "SARM" was invented to include the non-steroidal AR agonists. Of course these can still rightfully be called androgens...
    However scientists are now referring to anabolic steroids as SARMs as well sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeBig22 View Post
    h

    I am wondering why there is some fundamental need for this category to exist. Better for getting funding for research when you say you are studying a receptor modulator instead of an anabolic steroid/androgen?
    Yes, its much more politically correct and non-threatening sounding. Putting old people on SARMs sounds nifty, putting them on anabolic / androgens sounds bad
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    What would be a good PCT after an 8-12 week run of ostarine? I've had gyno so I am a little leery...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidxr View Post
    What would be a good PCT after an 8-12 week run of ostarine? I've had gyno so I am a little leery...
    depends on your dosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidxr View Post
    What would be a good PCT after an 8-12 week run of ostarine? I've had gyno so I am a little leery...

    someone else can answer this./ i dunno what to say about pct questions other than run some anti-estrogens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabolic99 View Post
    And you have a license from GTx, sure. I expect that you have already created a small army prepared to resist a police raid in the near future.

    Show me your 3rd party tests, please.
    why would we need a license from Gtx to sell Mk-2866?

    Mk-2866 is NOT a controlled substance so there would not be a raid.

    thanks for your sarcastic comments though.
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    LOLOL

    I get flamed for saying this all the time but will do so AGAIN...... dudes with <10 posts who make absurd product PIMPING posts ...OR.....ones who bombastic posts trashing/egregiously challenging a company with an obvious agenda are SO BLATANTLY OBVIOUS in their motivation I am surpirsed they get ANY attention at all.

    Again, it works BOTH WAYS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    LOLOL

    I get flamed for saying this all the time but will do so AGAIN...... dudes with <10 posts who make absurd product PIMPING posts ...OR.....ones who bombastic posts trashing/egregiously challenging a company with an obvious agenda are SO BLATANTLY OBVIOUS in their motivation I am surpirsed they get ANY attention at all.

    Again, it works BOTH WAYS.
    :-). Does seem like trolling...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    why would we need a license from Gtx to sell Mk-2866?

    Mk-2866 is NOT a controlled substance so there would not be a raid.

    thanks for your sarcastic comments though.
    It's not a "dietary supplement" either. IMHO, I think it's just as unethical and desperate as "Halo for her" - furthermore displaying a lack of company responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bashman View Post
    It's not a "dietary supplement" either. IMHO, I think it's just as unethical and desperate as "Halo for her" - furthermore displaying a lack of company responsibility.
    yeah, kind of like tobacco and alcohol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    yeah, kind of like tobacco and alcohol.
    not forgetting McDonalds........dem muthafukers
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    Quote Originally Posted by bashman View Post
    not forgetting McDonalds........dem muthafukers
    good point, they sell synthetic food that is FDA approved.
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    here is company responsibility, wanna go get some FDA approved McDonalds?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgH6C1itI08
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    So what wuz this thread about? And did the question, w/e it was Get answered?
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    Double post, and probably going to give this product a try
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    So what wuz this thread about? And did the question, w/e it was Get answered?
    the original questions was: "how effective can a sarm be and how long would u take it?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I'm stacking my Osta Rx with AndroHard LV. I was just told this was pointless though and I don't really understand why. If I think of Osta Rx as an androgen then why not stack it with androhard?
    T-bone, I stacked Osta with H-drol and got amazing results, I'd used Halo standalone on several occasions, the stacked effects were much more substantial
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    Good thread.

    I keep going back and forth if I want to give it shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo
    Good thread.

    I keep going back and forth if I want to give it shot.
    I'm right beside ya...

    It's like anything pricey'er but less sides...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo
    Good thread.

    I keep going back and forth if I want to give it shot.
    I feel this way about it too. Came close but haven't pulled trigger yet!
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    Well i have a rediculous amount of what rhymes with arms, charm, tangerine.. for sale lol
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    another Supplement company also just released straight Mk-2866 90 caps per bottle at a reasonable price

    Wonder if Iron mags will drop in price now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbrooks
    another Supplement company also just released straight Mk-2866 90 caps per bottle at a reasonable price

    Wonder if Iron mags will drop in price now
    Ostanish? Doubt youll see a price drop in IMLs product
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbrooks
    another Supplement company also just released straight Mk-2866 90 caps per bottle at a reasonable price

    Wonder if Iron mags will drop in price now
    Who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22

    Who?
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    Osta Rx = $99.99 after 25% off coupon code only $74.99

    also, it gets cheaper if you buy 2 bottles or if you buy 3 you get a bottle free.

    and there is more than just MK-2866 in Osta Rx.

    http://www.****************/product-list/osta-rx/
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    Iono...I used osta rx 20mg for 8 Weeks. Didn't really do much for me. There were some other factors holding me back at the time,, but I really expected more out of the product.
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    it's honesty my favorite IML product, just started a second cycle of it this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post
    Ostanish? Doubt youll see a price drop in IMLs product

    Yes that is the one. I doubt IML will drop but here to hoping lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    Osta Rx = $99.99 after 25% off coupon code only $74.99

    also, it gets cheaper if you buy 2 bottles or if you buy 3 you get a bottle free.

    and there is more than just MK-2866 in Osta Rx.

    http://www.****************/product-list/osta-rx/
    the 25% Off coupon code for Osta Rx IS OSTA25
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