Us 'Old guys' and PH use

cardiffgiant · 10-02-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemesis RR

I was 35 and did M1T, grew like a weed. BUT it shut my system down to 30 on a scale of 230-800. Regret doing it. Don't do anything unless you plan on using recovery meds as well. Not something I read in a book, I lived it and it SUCKED!

Damn. That sucks-I'm glad the worst i fooled with was Sdrol and between that and probably too much ATD I was screwed up for a good while as far as libido.Glad I used Nolva too cause at the time not everyone knew about gyno from Sdrol.

cardiffgiant · 10-02-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

given that i'm already a candidate for TRT, what kind of harm can suppression do?

I hope when I'm 40 I can do hrt , maybe I'll have the money then and insurance now sux even at 3500/yr. Oh well. Do insurances cover hrt? BTW if you wanna take out your slong for anything more than taking a piss, being really suppressed won't matter.

EasyEJL · 10-02-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cardiffgiant

I hope when I'm 40 I can do hrt , maybe I'll have the money then and insurance now sux even at 3500/yr. Oh well. Do insurances cover hrt? BTW if you wanna take out your slong for anything more than taking a piss, being really suppressed won't matter.

yeah, I was partially being facetious. I'm not sure what my insurance would conver, its been a few years since my last testosterone test too

cardiffgiant · 10-02-2007, 10:38 PM

I figured you were playing. Hey are you gonna do a cycle now or what?Just confused by different posts.

EasyEJL · 10-03-2007, 05:36 AM

I got picked to do an x-factor log, so i have to put it off till after that. So that means december now.... I'm also back to not entirely sure of which designer to run now, it will depend on how lean I am by then.

Nemesis RR · 10-03-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

given that i'm already a candidate for TRT, what kind of harm can suppression do?

If you are a candidate for TRT then just go on that. You will get more out of that than any PH use. Once on the TRT you can always add PH and see if you get any added benefit.

cardiffgiant · 10-03-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

I got picked to do an x-factor log, so i have to put it off till after that. So that means december now.... I'm also back to not entirely sure of which designer to run now, it will depend on how lean I am by then.

Why fool with that stuff, especiallly after doing something healthy-mega fish oils.I get sore enough from workouts I don't need something to make that worse-I would die.And for what? for me I bet nothing. If anything I was thinking of eventually tring high dosed HMB. I really think it helped me way back when cause recovery is always the issue for me. i just push hard in workouts,especially when highly stimulated, which is most of the time.BCAAs is what I'm trying now plus some high quality WPI and WPI,egg,Micellar casein blend.

cardiffgiant · 10-03-2007, 10:37 PM

Hey easy I also meant to ask you why you don't like MD mag? Or am I mistaken?

EasyEJL · 10-04-2007, 07:04 AM

I figure 2 months on x-factor to try it, then back onto fish oils

The university studies look good for it as a lean muscle gain/recomper, and its still healthier than any of the designers, at least in terms of liver + lipids.

Its not really MD particular I don't like so much, its the magazines in general. They are so littered with "4 page special reports" that are ads, and so filled with ultra hype that it irritates me. Basically it ruins my journalistic trust of them - are they potentially ripping into AA because molecular nutrition signed a huge advertising deal with another magazine? its possible, as their ethics are questionable. Same reason why Anabolic xtreme irritated me with superdrol ng. Just a chip out of their integrity.

BoneDaddy · 10-04-2007, 02:05 PM

Looks like i'm gonna be the guinea pig for you guys

I'm pre-loading with Hawthorn/Milk thisltle now and will be starting the PP a week from Monday. Picked up some Alpha Drive and some Resveratrol to add to my PCT. Gonna shoot for around 4000 calories or slightly more while on. Do PCT, wait a month, then try a recomp/cut cycle with Havoc.

**yeahright** · 10-04-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneDaddy

Looks like i'm gonna be the guinea pig for you guys

I'm pre-loading with Hawthorn/Milk thisltle now and will be starting the PP a week from Monday. Picked up some Alpha Drive and some Resveratrol to add to my post cycle therapy. Gonna shoot for around 4000 calories or slightly more while on. Do PCT, wait a month, then try a recomp/cut cycle with Havoc.

Time between cycles should be AT LEAST as long as your cycle plus post-cycle-therapy.

For example: 1 month cycle + 1 month pct = wait an additional two months before starting a new cycle.

This is especially true if you're an old fart and your body is recovering from the first cycle slower than the average 23 year old.

cardiffgiant · 10-04-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

I figure 2 months on x-factor to try it, then back onto fish oils

The university studies look good for it as a lean muscle gain/recomper, and its still healthier than any of the designers, at least in terms of liver + lipids.

Its not really MD particular I don't like so much, its the magazines in general. They are so littered with "4 page special reports" that are ads, and so filled with ultra hype that it irritates me. Basically it ruins my journalistic trust of them - are they potentially ripping into AA because molecular nutrition signed a huge advertising deal with another magazine? its possible, as their ethics are questionable. Same reason why Anabolic xtreme irritated me with superdrol ng. Just a chip out of their integrity.

Yeah I think all the mags can be called into question at times. Interestingly though is that Bill L. is a writer for MD and owns MN (no?).I have seen different articles by different writers on MD disagreeing as well. The mags were originally and I guess still are made to support bodybuilding and sell supps. years ago it was worse though no?,because weider owned it all and sold it all I think.Also supps have advanced light years since then so at least some prods advertised actually work.There are an amazing amount of ads anymore though.I used to really be into MM2k back in the day.Think I threw out a bunch of them on last move(stupid I think but it was a move across country and I had a load of ****).There was an article in MD a while back that I glanced at in the store but did not buy-it had a big article on PHs. At the time I thought I was done with using them now I wish I bought the mag. Oh well trying to get more info on that without paying for it we'll see.

cardiffgiant · 10-04-2007, 11:56 PM

I don't think I would ever try AA BTw because I get sore as hell from training alone, nevermind with what people have said when taking AA. It will be interesting to see how it works for you-good luck.Oh and with all the fears about bans i would still wanna get a cycle in while legal, even if you bought already. I have dealt with legal issues in the past and one thing for sure is you never wanna give the govt an excuse to screw you cause they will-the system blows and staying out of it by staying legal is always anyones best bet.peace.

**Dutchman** · 10-05-2007, 12:24 AM

In my experience, PHs/PSs have an exagerrated effect on us old farts. Since I turn 66 this weekend and have done over a half dozen cycles of SD not to mention many different precursors over the years I have some background. With their help I have gone from 149 lbs in 2000 to 218 today. My strength has gone through the roof and I now can do reps at 360 on the Hammer Strength BP ( much safer for an old fart who works out alone and suffers from partial paralysis of his left hand, hence has problems controlling regular BBs). I am a firm believer that for us, the arrival of things like Epistane and Formastane have virtually eliminated the worst side effects and accentuated the best in our favor. I can honestly say that besides the strength gains, I have found outstanding libido enhancement and very, very quick and easy PCT recovery. FWIW.

cardiffgiant · 10-05-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutchman

In my experience, PHs/PSs have an exagerrated effect on us old farts. Since I turn 66 this weekend and have done over a half dozen cycles of superdrol not to mention many different precursors over the years I have some background. With their help I have gone from 149 lbs in 2000 to 218 today. My strength has gone through the roof and I now can do reps at 360 on the Hammer Strength BP ( much safer for an old fart who works out alone and suffers from partial paralysis of his left hand, hence has problems controlling regular BBs). I am a firm believer that for us, the arrival of things like Epistane and Formastane have virtually eliminated the worst side effects and accentuated the best in our favor. I can honestly say that besides the strength gains, I have found outstanding libido enhancement and very, very quick and easy post cycle therapy recovery. FWIW.

thanks Dutch. Hey what did you do for Sdrol PCT and how was libido after cycle and PCT? Thanks

cruisir10 · 10-05-2007, 01:04 AM

Bone I'm currently on H-Drol right now and it's going pretty well. After doing research myself, I think it's a good one to use as a first time PH experience. I'm not your age, but for the lack of side effects it has compared to others and its steady results, it might be for the better.

The only difference is I stacked H-Drol with Axis Labs Furazadrol. I do have a log up if your interested.

My Log: H-Drol/Fura