To Trest or to not Trest

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  1. I'm not thrilled that I'm getting older but I am pretty pumped that I don't have to deal with post cycle shut down anymore. This was the main reason I took some yrs off.
    Fck the anxiety and depression. If I had it to do all over again I'd of stayed away from suppressive gear until I was ready for HRT.
    Don't get me wrong it was fun doing summer cycles but even with proper pct I felt like dog **** and my workouts lost intensity. Let alone I'd lose most of my gains.
    Also, TRT is a last resort for middle aged men that have depleted natty.
    Please don't be in a hurry to jump on for good. Once u do that's it and it's now apart of your everyday life. Constant blood work and the never ending quest for the "sweet spot" which some never find. These after all are hormones and can very well mess u up if do not respect the weight it carries.


  2. Forum noob here.

    I have to vials of test c in my cupboard. I was really looking forward to running them for a first cycle. Now I am worried. Reading here and a few places that older dudes like myself (41 yo but think my natty test levels are fine) could never come fully back from a cycle or 2.

    Aaaah. May just chuck them away. Not worth the risk at the moment I think. Maybe when Iím a lot older
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  3. A wise choice I say not messing with a well functioning system. I'm 32 but in the same boat. Natty levels are still great. I'm not sure if anybodys levels come back 100% post PCT. The allure to juice is ALWAYS there but just gotta live with it. Someone once said temptation resisted is the true measure of character.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ericos_bob View Post
    A wise choice I say not messing with a well functioning system. I'm 32 but in the same boat. Natty levels are still great. I'm not sure if anybodys levels come back 100% post PCT. The allure to juice is ALWAYS there but just gotta live with it. Someone once said temptation resisted is the true measure of character.
    Someone also told me, I may die tomorrow so enjoy life how I want. =P

    Anywho, this thread was about trest, not test lol.

  5. They go hand in hand. Good point on test. Trest is breast
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ericos_bob View Post
    They go hand in hand. Good point on test. Trest is breast
    You are absolutely right they do. I was just clarifying in case the guy read it as "To Test or not to test" type deal.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ericos_bob View Post
    They go hand in hand. Good point on test. Trest is breast
    What's yours natty levels ?

  8. My understanding is that when you mess around with any of these hormones there is ALWAYS the possibility that you could permanently shut yourself down. Of course a more powerful agent such as trest will pose more of a threat than some dermacrine. Do your homework and find that minimum effective dose - don't abuse the stuff. If you have everything in place you can be much more confident with what you run. It is all risk vs. reward.

  9. Even at 50mg Trest TD base thereís a chance you might not recover? Iím about to run this with Androsterone and dien diol.

  10. Yeah, definitely don't run trest if you're worried about shutdown. Especially if you're over 30 now and aren't looking to start TRT.

  11. I’ve got dt trest lined up for next year and plan to stack with havoc.

    Was aware trest was hard shut down but not that chances of recovery (assuming proper pct) were significantly less than anything else which causes shut down.

    I’ve got clomid, nolva and exem on hand for that run and was pretty confident all would be fine.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Whisky View Post
    Iíve got dt trest lined up for next year and plan to stack with havoc.

    Was aware trest was hard shut down but not that chances of recovery (assuming proper pct) were significantly less than anything else which causes shut down.

    Iíve got clomid, nolva and exem on hand for that run and was pretty confident all would be fine.
    Hmm, I thought you are in your 50ís. Pardon me if youíre younger. Everything I read on Trest is that itís a Hard shutdown with reduced chance of restarting HPTA. Thoughts?
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  13. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Hmm, I thought you are in your 50’s. Pardon me if you’re younger. Everything I read on Trest is that it’s a Hard shutdown with reduced chance of restarting HPTA. Thoughts?
    Lol, I’m 36 but often told I look 50.....(it’s been a hard life)

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Whisky View Post
    Lol, Iím 36 but often told I look 50.....(itís been a hard life)
    Lol. You are a young pup. Trest away!
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  15. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Lol. You are a young pup. Trest away!
    Haha, thanks. I tend to train with and be around younger guys (I employ a couple of uni grads) so literally never get called young anymore haha

    Looking forward to running that and then nanodrol (probably stacked with 4ad) next year.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Whisky View Post
    Haha, thanks. I tend to train with and be around younger guys (I employ a couple of uni grads) so literally never get called young anymore haha

    Looking forward to running that and then nanodrol (probably stacked with 4ad) next year.
    Would like to follow if you create a log. Young people help keep us old guys young.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  17. Iím not going to log it but Iím about to start a dien diol, trest and androsterone run. All TD products. Iím 43.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Would like to follow if you create a log. Young people help keep us old guys young.
    I’ll definitely be logging it bro, found it a useful discipline on my cycle just finished. I’ll tag you in at the time.

  19. Trest is AMAZING! Especially when you get older. I would recommend starting at 25mg/day and seeing how that works. I had zero sides, unreal sex drive and crazy strength gains. Enjoy!

  20. I know when I first starting researching Trest I was scared of it.
    But I was researching old threads from the PH to Trest.
    The Ph to Trest is massively more powerful than the Trest being sold mostly today.
    I got grim MENT from reaper labs and that stuff is crazy
    30 mg and your on fire.
    When I tried the newer version that are not the PH no where near the same.
    Still good but I can easily take 50mg +.
    Older threads often are referring to injecting MENT .
    I would like to see a newer log about Trest causing permanent shutdown

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Cgkone View Post
    I know when I first starting researching Trest I was scared of it.
    But I was researching old threads from the PH to Trest.
    The Ph to Trest is massively more powerful than the Trest being sold mostly today.
    I got grim MENT from reaper labs and that stuff is crazy
    30 mg and your on fire.
    When I tried the newer version that are not the PH no where near the same.
    Still good but I can easily take 50mg +.
    Older threads often are referring to injecting MENT .
    I would like to see a newer log about Trest causing permanent shutdown
    Real injectable trest blows away any trest PH. No comparison.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    Real injectable trest blows away any trest PH. No comparison.
    Just out of interest what is your view on dermatrest vs oral trest - much difference?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    Real injectable trest blows away any trest PH. No comparison.
    I believe that.
    But the PH to Trest smokes oral Trest.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Cgkone View Post
    I believe that.
    But the PH to Trest smokes oral Trest.
    You may be right. I have never used a trest PH. Obviously, oral bioavailability becomes the main issue when using trest orally. If a trest PH has a decent conversion rate and high oral bioavailability, then I could certainly see it producing better results.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    You may be right. I have never used a trest PH. Obviously, oral bioavailability becomes the main issue when using trest orally. If a trest PH has a decent conversion rate and high oral bioavailability, then I could certainly see it producing better results.
    From what I know(which is limited).
    Its because the PH is anabolic both before and after it converts......
    Or something like that.
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