TRT, can I take a break doing a PCT

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  1. That shouldn't affect total test like that.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    There has to be a reason that he is eating up test like that. I would question whether this is really the answer and be searching out other reasons with help from the doc. That is not normal at all to take that much test and have test levels that low. 60mg keeps me hovering around 800-900 levels a few days out.
    Yes but what was your level before adding the test?

    I was at 160 something. SO for me to be up around 400- 500 that is a big jump. But now at 1000. So I have no idea. lol.
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  3. Well, I've been on TRT for almost 3 years now, but it was averaging 210-260 (250-1150 scale) for the year I was testing and attempting to bring up before going on TRT.

    In any case, 500mg of test is a cycle and nowhere close to TRT.. You certainly do not want to be taking that for the rest of your life, so why not find out what is really wrong instead of masking it with test?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Well, I've been on TRT for almost 3 years now, but it was averaging 210-260 (250-1150 scale) for the year I was testing and attempting to bring up before going on TRT.

    In any case, 500mg of test is a cycle and nowhere close to TRT.. You certainly do not want to be taking that for the rest of your life, so why not find out what is really wrong instead of masking it with test?


    True I was actually thinking after this week to take a break and run some DAA and keep level monitored to see what happens.
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  5. Reading your posts, it sounds like you have been on TRT for 6 months. You are shut down and need to run a proper PCT and work with your doc to try to get normal. He may tell you to stop taking any test for a month and you'll feel like ****, but then he may want to start a Clomid protocol if this isn't really your issue. Don't just stop all together and plan to take DAA with any success.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Reading your posts, it sounds like you have been on TRT for 6 months. You are shut down and need to run a proper PCT and work with your doc to try to get normal. He may tell you to stop taking any test for a month and you'll feel like ****, but then he may want to start a Clomid protocol if this isn't really your issue. Don't just stop all together and plan to take DAA with any success.
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    Is clomid a pill? Or shot? I am pretty clueless on those things.
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  7. It's a pill. Until recently, docs were clueless on trying this approach before TRT, but it seems more are becoming aware. It isn't for everyone and I've only seen it work once with someone I know, but it is worth a shot to "kickstart" your natural production before being tied into TRT.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    It's a pill. Until recently, docs were clueless on trying this approach before TRT, but it seems more are becoming aware. It isn't for everyone and I've only seen it work once with someone I know, but it is worth a shot to "kickstart" your natural production before being tied into TRT.
    Just the little bit he had my on with HCG. I could tell that would work as well. Or at least I feel it will ,

    As of now I am On .75ml of test a week and 2 times a week a Half dose or arimedex.

    Being I am thinking of trying to chill out on this for a month or two here and there what would you suggest I suggest to him?
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by hogan45 View Post
    I am 48 years old now and doing TRT for a little more than a year now. Back then my T level was 302, so my doctor put me on the standard on Test Cyp 200mg every two weeks. It has helped with everything that it was intended for (inability to concentrate, moods, focus and libido/erections).

    But I believe that the "boys" are shrinking and am worried about it causing my body to further discontinue whatever T production it had been doing on its own. For these reasons, I was wondering if I should consider taking a break using a PCT regiment, then resume TRT after 2 moths or so.

    Background info: I am 6'2", 228 lbs and still fairly solid (47" chest, 18" biceps, 17.5" neck) with a small amount of fat around the mid-section (36" waist). I have been working out since I was 17 years old (free weights, machines, body-weight and most recently P90X). And while I had noticed that workouts were getting more difficult with age (no big revelation there), my TRT was/is not intended for growth/size. Until the doctor-prescribed Test Cyp I have never taken anything other than vitamins, protein and aminos (so I know almost nothing about Rx PCT stuff {is "Gear" the correct term?})

    Am I being a hypochondriac (about having the "boys" grow smaller in my sac, and shutting down my body's own T production), or is taking a month or two off a wise idea?

    If anyone suggests a PCT regiment, please write like you are speaking to a complete newbie (because from a PCT perspective, you are). I would like full names of PCT items, and as much info as possible (dosage, when to take, etc...). One last thing, since my insurance doesn't cover my TRT, I have found a "gear" site that I get my Test Cyp from (for far less than $$$ my local pharmacy), and as a "gear" site, they probably also sell anything that I would need to use for a TRT-break type of PCT. So I would not "need" any recommendations about where to purchase, but surely would not object to suggestions.
    Unless you want to have kids at 50+, there is no reason to come off. If you want your testicles plumper, run hCG at 250 ius BIW. But it's purely for aesthetics IMO. I am on TRT, and I come on and off hCG periodically, but never off TRT. You could certainly do a PCT w/ clomid, but you are going to feel crappy and emotional, and likely lose some muscle and tone as you are shut down. I'd advise against it.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by bigguyn10ec View Post
    That is what he put me on. But as you can see It still did not give me a huge test level.. Yes It did compared to where I started, but Honestly I did not feel any better on that vs 1ml a week.
    Wait a second, how many mgs per ML. No one knows how much you test you are taking until you report that.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    Unless you want to have kids at 50+, there is no reason to come off. If you want your testicles plumper, run hCG at 250 ius BIW. But it's purely for aesthetics IMO. I am on TRT, and I come on and off hCG periodically, but never off TRT. You could certainly do a PCT w/ clomid, but you are going to feel crappy and emotional, and likely lose some muscle and tone as you are shut down. I'd advise against it.

    what jinxie said, unless you're trying to use Clomid to restart your T production. If you're going that route, have an endo prescribe it and monitor you. At our age, why go through that unless your new young wife wants kids?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by hogan45 View Post
    Unfortunately I have no idea what initially caused the low T
    Alcohol abuse and heavy metal deposits in the body have been known to cause low test or hypo male gonadism.

  13. I've been on TRT for a few years now. I used to have to take arimidex to help combat the estrogen. However, for whatever reason, once I switched from IM injections to sub-q (in the belly), my estrogen stayed steady where it should be without any anti-estrogen assistance.

    I know everyone thinks there doctor is the best but just offering my .02 cents, Dr. Crisler in Lansing, MI is very good. He has a lot of information on his website if you want to do some reading.

    Been awhile since I've been around here so I'm not sure if I'm allowed to put links so for now just google his name and his page should come up.

    He's a good guy and also has his own forum if you have further questions.

  14. I'm on TRT as well , for about a year now& the advice that I've been given here is that no pct is needed if your on TRT.
    As far as an AI I like to run them even tho I'm on a steady dose of test.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    TRT is supposed to be for life. There is no PCT.

    Additionally, 200mg/E2W is a poor protocol. You would be better off using 100mg/w or better yet 50mg/E3-4days. You levels are fluctuating a lot the way you are using it now.

    After a year or more you are shutdown and producing not endogenous testosterone. As a result of this your testicle have atrophied. Aside from that phobia why would you want or need to come off?

    When you come off you will have a hard time restarting your HPTA and even when you do you will be back at the low or lower levels you were before and experience those same symptoms.
    Thank you! I've been reading threads about low T & I myself am in my 3rd week of being off a PH & I'm on TRT. Been on TRT for over a year. Advice I've gotten on AM is that people on TRT do not need to run a PCT as long as they stay on schedule with their test doses. So why are there so many threads with people running PCTs & useing serms while on TRT?
    Help me understand.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by skinnybones View Post
    Thank you! I've been reading threads about low T & I myself am in my 3rd week of being off a PH & I'm on TRT. Been on TRT for over a year. Advice I've gotten on AM is that people on TRT do not need to run a PCT as long as they stay on schedule with their test doses. So why are there so many threads with people running PCTs & useing serms while on TRT? Help me understand.
    You still need to do general recovery from altered lipids, liver profiles, blood pressure, etc. Jumpstarting your endogenous test production however is not a concern.
    Remember why you started.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    You still need to do general recovery from altered lipids, liver profiles, blood pressure, etc. Jumpstarting your endogenous test production however is not a concern.
    Ok, cool I understand & do practice that protocol of a pct ...(liver , Blood pressure,joints). & the jump start of the test is taken care of by the TRT, so what's missing from a PCT in a TRT person,that's in a normal persons PCT?

  18. There is no "jump start" of test on TRT. If you are on TRT, it is because you are not capable of producing test and require exogenous test to get into normal levels. When you stop that, you drop back to where you were or lower. A PCT is going to serve no purpose as you are not going to be able to have your body build back to normal.
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