T Levels

[sky747]

Hi Folks
Can you tell me what you think of the T levels below? These are for a 36 y/o male. 321 Total seems low to me but Dr says is normal, same for the rest. obviously i don't know up from down regarding the #s below. Thanks
Mike

Test	Levels
TOTAL TESTOSTERONE	321.8
ALBUMIN	4.8
SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN	29
TESTOSTERONE, FREE, MALE >20 YRS	65
LH	5.3
FSH	9.83
TSH	1.03

[BJE]

Yes, 321 is low. A thirty six year old man should have a testosterone level more in the range of 670. 321 is only considered normal because it is normal for men to have testosterone that low, but these are very old men. The lab ranges are for all men, not age adjusted. Younger men and any man who wants to be healthy should have a level in at least the upper third of the range.

[sky747]

Thanks BJE

[vassille]

Hi Folks
Can you tell me what you think of the T levels below? These are for a 36 y/o male. 321 Total seems low to me but Dr says is normal, same for the rest. obviously i don't know up from down regarding the #s below. Thanks
Mike

Test	Levels
TOTAL TESTOSTERONE	321.8
ALBUMIN	4.8
SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN	29
TESTOSTERONE, FREE, MALE >20 YRS	65
LH	5.3
FSH	9.83
TSH	1.03

It's low.
Good thing is that SHBG is low too and not like 50 or higher. Bad thing, free test is low but that's due to low test production and not because it binds to SHBG.
Check your estrogen. LH seems low

[flex000]

321 is definitely low for your age. Unfortunately most doctors along with insurance companies only treat the numbers and if you're not what they consider low, (varies by lab) they tend to give you anti depressants. You can be above their lower level and still feel like crap! Sometimes you have to look to an anti aging clinic for treatment and/or pay out of pocket.

[MidwestBeast]

Good responses in here, guys.

[BrazilianDoc]

Yes but don´t forget that the number by itself is the only thing to consider.
I have patients with this age and this T level with excelente muscle mass and libido .
There is no way of measurement of androgen receptor activity . Some have more other less.

[vassille]

321 is low regardless unless you are a girl

[kisaj]

How do you feel?

I was running around with 300 levels for a long time before knowing TRT was an option. I was keeping all my muscle mass (in part, I believe, due to genetics), but slept terrible, was grouchy, low energy, no libido, etc.. and assumed it was just normal for guys in their late 30s. It wasn't until I just couldn't take it anymore and found I was at 219 that I started down the path of testing and analysis of what may be going on.

[jalincoln]

Great Article fellas. Im 36 also and am having very simular problems. Im actually getting ready to have my levels tested next week.

[threeFs]

How do you feel?

I was running around with 300 levels for a long time before knowing TRT was an option. I was keeping all my muscle mass (in part, I believe, due to genetics), but slept terrible, was grouchy, low energy, no libido, etc.. and assumed it was just normal for guys in their late 30s. It wasn't until I just couldn't take it anymore and found I was at 219 that I started down the path of testing and analysis of what may be going on.

Yep, same here. Haven't slept through the night in years until TRT. I just thought that's life. Just getting old and lazy. Little did I know how much TrT would help me. I feel great nowadays and sleep through and much deeper.

[usealittle]

You have 2 choices... Either try and fix it with hcg shots and clomid or get a doctor that will give you a script. Mine was 218 and it's been that way for a long time, been putting it off.

If your doc will not give you a script if you wan it, find one that will.

[flex000]

Damn, 218 bro? That's low at all labs. Not sure how you can function at all. Low test can make you susceptible to cardiovascular issues and diabetes along with various other issues so don't put it off too long. Generally though, doctors say if you feel good and have no symptoms, treatment isn't needed.

[usealittle]

Damn, 218 bro? That's low at all labs. Not sure how you can function at all. Low test can make you susceptible to cardiovascular issues and diabetes along with various other issues so don't put it off too long. Generally though, doctors say if you feel good and have no symptoms, treatment isn't needed.

even at that level i could make it work (not very often) but would make up reasons why i couldnt, like iv got gas or dont feel good.... you know all the things women say to us so they dont have to.

i do have a script now... got 200mg wk from my doc, he asked if i wanted 250. like a dumb add i said no.

[kisaj]

i do have a script now... got 200mg wk from my doc, he asked if i wanted 250. like a dumb add i said no.

I feel like there should be a sticky for people that are new to TRT and think more is better.

[usealittle]

I feel like there should be a sticky for people that are new to TRT and think more is better.

im not saying more is better... im sayin if i got a script for 250 and i only use say 150 or 200 i would be getting ahead every wk. so when i want to cycle up i can use pharm grade cyp over the UGL stuff. i get a 10ml vail and using less then im scripted will get me a new bottle faster, get it. thats the way im seeing it. not more is better.

as my name states i usealittle not a lot.

[kisaj]

ah, my mistake. I didn't read it that you were getting to self inject. Then yeah, that would be cool if you wanted to run a higher cycle for awhile. I am already 3 vials up that haven't been touched because I only run 100 e6d.

[BJE]

im not saying more is better... im sayin if i got a script for 250 and i only use say 150 or 200 i would be getting ahead every wk. so when i want to cycle up i can use pharm grade cyp over the UGL stuff. i get a 10ml vail and using less then im scripted will get me a new bottle faster, get it. thats the way im seeing it. not more is better.

as my name states i usealittle not a lot.

ah, my mistake. I didn't read it that you were getting to self inject. Then yeah, that would be cool if you wanted to run a higher cycle for awhile. I am already 3 vials up that haven't been touched because I only run 100 e6d.

I know this is off the original topic, but I am in a similar situation. I started test cyp about three months ago. My doctor prescribed for me 100mg testosterone cypionate per week and I am self injecting. At this dose a vial lasts for about twenty weeks. My insurance will allow only three months of a drug at a time. Since you can't divide a vial it paid for a vial and charged me three copays ($30) for the vial. Well the three months was about up and there was no refill on my prescription so I asked the pharmacy to contact my doctors office to ask for a refill. Well the doctor wrote a new prescription for four vials for in the next six months. I got one and paid the three copays again. Insurance will only pay for one more vial which to them would complete my six months worth. I can however buy the other two vial out of pocket.

The question is since at the dose I am at four vials will last me about 80 weeks and I still have a few more weeks left of my first vial, do I just get the two vials which is still more than enough, do I get all the vials and stock pile it, or do I get the vials and run a cycle sometime. I will have nearly three extra 10ml vials of the 200mg/ml test cyp. That is something I have never done, and I can't say I would know what to do.

[usealittle]

i pay $8 for 10ml with in insurance....

[pcn]

I know this is off the original topic, but I am in a similar situation. I started test cyp about three months ago. My doctor prescribed for me 100mg testosterone cypionate per week and I am self injecting. At this dose a vial lasts for about twenty weeks. My insurance will allow only three months of a drug at a time. Since you can't divide a vial it paid for a vial and charged me three copays ($30) for the vial. Well the three months was about up and there was no refill on my prescription so I asked the pharmacy to contact my doctors office to ask for a refill. Well the doctor wrote a new prescription for four vials for in the next six months. I got one and paid the three copays again. Insurance will only pay for one more vial which to them would complete my six months worth. I can however buy the other two vial out of pocket.

The question is since at the dose I am at four vials will last me about 80 weeks and I still have a few more weeks left of my first vial, do I just get the two vials which is still more than enough, do I get all the vials and stock pile it, or do I get the vials and run a cycle sometime. I will have nearly three extra 10ml vials of the 200mg/ml test cyp. That is something I have never done, and I can't say I would know what to do.

You're "supposed" to throw away an opened vial after 30 days, which is why insurance follows allows you to get a new one every month. Buy one a month and put them away. Even if you never run a cycle, what if your insurance changes drastically (Obamacare...?) and you arent covered or the price jumps. Out of pocket for me is about $85, vs $10 on a drug card. The expiration on my bottles is several years in the future, so I look at it as cheap insurance against an very unknown future.