T Levels

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Throwing out the bottle after 30 days. That's for HCG not test. Anything in BAC water is good for about 1 month. Maybe that's what you meant.
    Really? I thought that was fairly widely known. Do a search on "beyond use date". I believe it's pretty standard practice in hospitals, maybe even an FDA requirement to discard a certain time after first penetrating the seal. A quick search can find these:

    http://www.usp797.org/QA-E5.htm
    http://www.apic.org/Resource_/TinyMc...ection0310.pdf
    http://www.cdc.gov/injectionsafety/p...ultivials.html
    http://www.ehow.com/list_6919635_fda...nit-vials.html


  2. So I guess all the 200mg vials that get prescribed are meant for cycles and not TRT. It's really weird that they would do that all the time. LOL.
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  3. It's probably more that they are a "one size fits all" since prescriptions will vary and they just picked a happy medium to cover the majority of cases.

  4. great thread im 34 with similar numbers and have been in a battle with my endo for a yr relying on natty booosters in hopes and prayers
    toes-on-the-nose.blogspot.com Deployed blogging

  5. Quote Originally Posted by pcn View Post
    It's probably more that they are a "one size fits all" since prescriptions will vary and they just picked a happy medium to cover the majority of cases.
    Well I talked to my pharmacist again today and he assured me that he has a lot of men on the 10ml vials and everyone uses them until they are gone and do not discard them. He said he has never heard of a problem using them past thirty days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    great thread im 34 with similar numbers and have been in a battle with my endo for a yr relying on natty booosters in hopes and prayers
    I started having symptoms of low testosterone when I was in my late thirties. My total level was good but due to high SHBG my free test was always low. It took me until my mid forties before I could get anyone to treat me.

    I have tried a lot of testosterone boosters. I don't think any of them really do much. I think what some of them really are are sex stimulants. Some things like horny goat weed make my penis more sensitive and orgasms better, but I think it has nothing to do with testosterone.
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  6. Tribulus is bunk and though all the anecdotal evidence of DAA is good or whatever, it did absolutely nothing for my T levels.

  7. DAA lowered mine. Awesome stuff!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    DAA lowered mine. Awesome stuff!
    realy?

  9. Yeah. Obviously any of us in this forum understand how many outside variables play into T levels, but keeping everything as consistent as possible between testing times and following recommended 3.2g a day for 60 days brought numbers down from 258 to 243.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by pcn View Post
    Really? I thought that was fairly widely known. Do a search on "beyond use date". I believe it's pretty standard practice in hospitals, maybe even an FDA requirement to discard a certain time after first penetrating the seal. A quick search can find these:

    http://www.usp797.org/QA-E5.htm
    http://www.apic.org/Resource_/TinyMc...ection0310.pdf
    http://www.cdc.gov/injectionsafety/p...ultivials.html
    http://www.ehow.com/list_6919635_fda...nit-vials.html
    Never heard of this..... and exposing oils to air means nothing as in breaking the seal. Hospitals might do it for a different reason like safety since you have multiple users and cross contamination may come into play? one time use bottles explains this, since I saw 200mg bottles being dispersed, but test going bad is not one of them. Pharm test has a few years expiration and beyond that it looses a bit of its potency but still ok from a safety stand point because it has alcohol in it.
    My HRT bottle lasts 12 weeks and it's been like this for years. Doctor or pharmacy never said to throw it out after 30 days.
    Interesting

  11. Sorry, I wasnt clear. My point was that since it is a standard in the industry, insurance follows the hospital standard and pays to replace the bottle at that point as well. Say a patient in a hospital was getting a treatment and treatment ran past the 28 days even though the bottle wasnt empty, it would be confusing trying to keep up with different standards between insurance and the hospital. I wasnt claiming that it needed to be thrown away after 28 days; I keep mine and use it until it's gone and save the surplus.

  12. np, that makes more sense now.

  13. Hey fellas. Been tuning into this post. I'm 36 yr old with all the symtpoms of Low T. Always tired, no energy, no sex drive always moody. I basically had been argueing with my wife the past 2 years if not more to the point her thinking I was cheating on her. I wasnt but that what she felt. Anywho, just got tested yesterday and got my results today. My T levels were at 105. My HDL was at low end of normal but my LDL were 2 pts higher than normal range. I will post the specifics once I go into see my Doc next week. She did tell me over the phone she was going to prescibe me T shots at 100 mg a week. Im not sure if thats a good thing or not. Definately want a normal life back, but if I can gain some mass on it also hey what the heck lets do it. Any help would be great. Thanks

  14. words can barely describe how good you will feel. Good luck

  15. I would be dancing around in anticipation. Keeping in mind that it can and usually does take a couple-few weeks for all the positives to be noticed, but you should see a rebound in energy and mood pretty fast.

    I'm not even joking when I say that I actually get excited for you guys that are suffering and are working with doctors that will offer T injections. It is such a life changer that I can't help but feel happy for you.

  16. Kisaj and 3f thanks for your help. I have been suffering and unfortunately it has nearly cost me my job and my marriage. Question, can u run a ph along with t shots. Pct just needed for liver? Thanks and def rep power to both of u.

  17. First off, I would never run a ph. Secondly, there is no pct needed and you should concentrate on getting yourself on track and not add in variables. Of course, this is only my opinion. I come from a school of thought that you concentrate on getting healthy and then stick with the basics of eating, lifting, fitness, resting, calming and building the mind, and profit. You'll be incredibly surprised what you can do mentally and physically by getting your test levels right.

  18. Your right Kisaj! Thanks for the advice. I'll keep u posted and should have results next week

  19. Also when they use or give t shots. Is it a certain type or just straight T.

  20. I was prescribed cyp

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jalincoln View Post
    Kisaj and 3f thanks for your help. I have been suffering and unfortunately it has nearly cost me my job and my marriage. Question, can u run a ph along with t shots. Pct just needed for liver? Thanks and def rep power to both of u.

    It's funny you mentioned PH. I was just thinking during my workout today... I felt as good if not better today than when I ran epistane. And that's just TRT test cyp @ 120mg/ divided 70/50 per week. In fact, my wife was done and I stayed for another 10 minutes and kept lifting...and Saturdays are usually my rest day.
    Although I'm still considering some kind of cycle (Prob not PH) I have been impressed with my strength gains just being on this TRT. I go back and forth about what to do, but after a day like today, I feel like I'm already on. Well, I am on but you know, not at cycle dosages. Part of the other reason I'm not cycling though is that I don't even know where to get the injectables.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    It's funny you mentioned PH. I was just thinking during my workout today... I felt as good if not better today than when I ran epistane. And that's just TRT test cyp @ 120mg/ divided 70/50 per week. In fact, my wife was done and I stayed for another 10 minutes and kept lifting...and Saturdays are usually my rest day.
    Although I'm still considering some kind of cycle (Prob not PH) I have been impressed with my strength gains just being on this TRT. I go back and forth about what to do, but after a day like today, I feel like I'm already on. Well, I am on but you know, not at cycle dosages. Part of the other reason I'm not cycling though is that I don't even know where to get the injectables.
    Do you know what your current testosterone level is? Both total and free? I'd like to know at what level you are feel this well.

  23. Yeah 3f I can't wait to feel that good. I go yo the gym 4x a week and have decent workouts but the only reason I get through is because my PWO! Prob would go another day too. I'm curios also what ur T levels are at also. I'm happy for u bro. I'm glad ur hitting it hard and feeling good again. Keep it up. I'm sure I would definitely start gaining some bulk once I get on.

  24. My last blood work was on 11/6. My levels were
    Total 525
    Free 153.4
    But.... After one of the 5 docs I've been to saw that, he said he wanted total test to be 800-1100. So he upped my dose from 100mg/week to 120/week. Since upping the dose about 2 weeks ago, I'm not sure my new #'s.
    Something I learned to look for (from these forums) is how the test half life affects you. I was originally rx'd 200 e2w. That was too big of up/down so I had a different doc write it for e7d. But now I go 2x/week and that's even better.

  25. Well tomorrow is the big day. First I get my first T shot of 200mg then also my script for 100mg a week. Secondly, I will be able to post my #'s what my actual blood work was. Im really excited to feel normal again and have the energy that I need to work my 12 hr shifts and have enough energy to keep up with my 3 yr old daughter... Better days on the horizon...
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