I will take you up on that offer, Thank you!Remind me when we post teaser or promo thread and I’ll be glad to send you a bottle. It’s probsbly 6 weeks out. It’s going to be very unique - 4 licensed branded ingredients + more.
I will take you up on that offer, Thank you!Remind me when we post teaser or promo thread and I’ll be glad to send you a bottle. It’s probsbly 6 weeks out. It’s going to be very unique - 4 licensed branded ingredients + more.
Always coming out with the essentials.This one is a ways out. Formulation part is done and label artwork is almost complete. Best guess is 6 weeks but that's being somewhat optimistic.
Not yet but its in the works. Hoping for a 6 to 8 week ETA on this one. We have so many products in production that our own new stuff is bumping back our other new stuff haha.Did the sns product come out yet?
sns8778Remind me when we post teaser or promo thread and I’ll be glad to send you a bottle. It’s probsbly 6 weeks out. It’s going to be very unique - 4 licensed branded ingredients + more.
Not yet!sns8778
has this ever dropped ?
I didn't think so, looking forward to it !Not yet!
Thanks. Labels are done and its in the lineup; we just have so many new things lined up that its like new things are bumping our other new things haha.I didn't think so, looking forward to it !
Try this combo:Pros and cons to supplementing curcuminoids. Some info that may apply to many here.
May help muscle recovery but at the expense of adaptations due to blunting inflammation from exercise:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/sms.13373
https://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19390211.2019.1604604
It inhibits the COX enzymes which may delay the resolution of inflammation long-term, this however; is based on research conducted on NSAIDs that inhibit the COX enzymes:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3882565/
If SPMs are blunted then they may directly impact hypertrophy based on some theoretical underpinnings:
http://eir-isei.de/2016/eir-2016-110-article.pdf
It has been shown to decrease left ventricular hypertrophy:
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.124.suppl_21.a14380
The most potent form may be CurcuWIN due to increase free curcuminoid blood levels :
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1756464616000426
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6174784/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30889454
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27043120
Regarding the first study, just don’t take it in the peri-workout window if you’re really concerned. The discussion/perspective of the full-text of said study also said they’re not certain on the effect of excessive antioxidant intake on the beneficial effects of exercise in the long-term. But avoiding the antioxidants in the peri-workout timeframe seems like a no-brainer to me if you’re concerned about it.Pros and cons to supplementing curcuminoids. Some info that may apply to many here.
May help muscle recovery but at the expense of adaptations due to blunting inflammation from exercise:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/sms.13373
https://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19390211.2019.1604604
It inhibits the COX enzymes which may delay the resolution of inflammation long-term, this however; is based on research conducted on NSAIDs that inhibit the COX enzymes:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3882565/
If SPMs are blunted then they may directly impact hypertrophy based on some theoretical underpinnings:
http://eir-isei.de/2016/eir-2016-110-article.pdf
It has been shown to decrease left ventricular hypertrophy:
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.124.suppl_21.a14380
The most potent form may be CurcuWIN due to increase free curcuminoid blood levels :
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1756464616000426
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6174784/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30889454
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27043120
Edit: and it also said that the decreased perceived muscle soreness could lead to greater subsequent exercise performance along with increasing training volume, leading to more progress.Curcumin may reduce muscle damage and perceived muscle soreness without negatively impacting a natural inflammatory response following exercise.
I more so posted these as its not clear of its effects but it could negatively impact adaptations. The studies conflict with one another. They do not use the same dosing or formulations. One showed about a months use prior to the exercise intervention assisted in recovery with no statistically significant effects on the tested inflammatory markers post exercise. However, the other one noted a decrease in the tested markers with use for 7 days prior to exercise intervention. They did not find this effect when it was taken 7 days post intervention but since many workout several days a week these windows will always be overlapping with constant use. Of course more research needs to be done and it there may be dosage and formulation specific effects, similar to vitamin C and other antioxidant compounds. I just wanted to share as it may not be the holy grail for all things like most think. Esp given potential mechanisms on the total inflammatory process and long term inflammatory management.Regarding the first study, just don’t take it in the peri-workout window if you’re really concerned. The discussion/perspective of the full-text of said study also said they’re not certain on the effect of excessive antioxidant intake on the beneficial effects of exercise in the long-term. But avoiding the antioxidants in the peri-workout timeframe seems like a no-brainer to me if you’re concerned about it.
The second study said:
Edit: and it also said that the decreased perceived muscle soreness could lead to greater subsequent exercise performance along with increasing training volume, leading to more progress.
Thanks for sharing.Try this combo:
Combination of curcumin and boswellia support exercise recovery, says recent study
A study recently published in the Journal of American College of Sports Medicine shows that a combination of curcumin extract and boswellia extract, standardized for 3-O-Acetyl-11-keto-ß-boswellia acid (AKBA) 90%, accelerates muscle recovery post-exercise. 1www.nutritionaloutlook.com
True, we don’t know for sure, but, personally, I’m not overly concerned TBH. Especially if, as some studies say, you can capitalize on the improved recovery to train more often or with more volume, which could perhaps mitigate any negatives, resulting in a neutral impact while still having the general health benefits? Who knows really.I more so posted these as its not clear of its effects but it could negatively impact adaptations. The studies conflict with one another. They do not use the same dosing or formulations. One showed about a months use prior to the exercise intervention assisted in recovery with no statistically significant effects on the tested inflammatory markers post exercise. However, the other one noted a decrease in the tested markers with use for 7 days prior to exercise intervention. They did not find this effect when it was taken 7 days post intervention but since many workout several days a week these windows will always be overlapping with constant use. Of course more research needs to be done and it there may be dosage and formulation specific effects, similar to vitamin C and other antioxidant compounds. I just wanted to share as it may not be the holy grail for all things like most think. Esp given potential mechanisms on the total inflammatory process and long term inflammatory management.
Also most well designed curcumin formulations not only increase absorption but also half-life. Not to mention constant dosing will likely lead to some steady state effects overall so the peri workout time becomes much less relevant long term. It will be interesting to see how future research plays out. For those that have gains as their top priority, it may be wise to avoid usage though unless needed for joint function ect to maximize training performance.
This effect may be there, yes. But with other things, such as NAC, that help recovery in the short term (24-48 hours) they actually see recovery worsened by day 5-6 post-wo. That curcumin study only measured up 48 hours post-wo. Its hard to say, which is why I wonder about curcumins effects on SPMs. For reference:True, we don’t know for sure, but, personally, I’m not overly concerned TBH. Especially if, as some studies say, you can capitalize on the improved recovery to train more often or with more volume, which could perhaps mitigate any negatives, resulting in a neutral impact while still having the general health benefits? Who knows really.
At what point do we begin to major in the minors? I get wanting to optimize everything for muscle growth and progression, but if using something like curcumin allows you to actually feel good, and keep going to the gym and not in pain, I’d wager that’d far outweigh any negative impact it could have on hypertrophy. That said, you may have a point in that you may not want to just take curcumin if you have literally no joint/inflammation issues at all.This effect may be there, yes. But with other things, such as NAC, that help recovery in the short term (24-48 hours) they actually see recovery worsened by day 5-6 post-wo. That curcumin study only measured up 48 hours post-wo. Its hard to say, which is why I wonder about curcumins effects on SPMs. For reference:
NAC Lowers DOMS, Initially, but on Day 5-6 it Makes Things Worse | Plus: Putative Performance Benefit is Negligible
In the long run, choking the exercise-induced fire too much is going to negate all the cherishable benefits of working out. In the short run, however, it seems to be a viable strategy - albeit one with mediocre benefits...suppversity.blogspot.com
Time will tell.
At what point do we begin to major in the minors? I get wanting to optimize everything for muscle growth and progression, but if using something like curcumin allows you to actually feel good, and keep going to the gym and not in pain, I’d wager that’d far outweigh any negative impact it could have on hypertrophy. That said, you may have a point in that you may not want to just take curcumin if you have literally no joint/inflammation issues at all.This effect may be there, yes. But with other things, such as NAC, that help recovery in the short term (24-48 hours) they actually see recovery worsened by day 5-6 post-wo. That curcumin study only measured up 48 hours post-wo. Its hard to say, which is why I wonder about curcumins effects on SPMs. For reference:
NAC Lowers DOMS, Initially, but on Day 5-6 it Makes Things Worse | Plus: Putative Performance Benefit is Negligible
In the long run, choking the exercise-induced fire too much is going to negate all the cherishable benefits of working out. In the short run, however, it seems to be a viable strategy - albeit one with mediocre benefits...suppversity.blogspot.com
Time will tell.
I never disagreed with this point.At what point do we begin to major in the minors? I get wanting to optimize everything for muscle growth and progression, but if using something like curcumin allows you to actually feel good, and keep going to the gym and not in pain, I’d wager that’d far outweigh any negative impact it could have on hypertrophy. That said, you may have a point in that you may not want to just take curcumin if you have literally no joint/inflammation issues at all.
That’s true, there are other ingredients for exercise-induced joint pain that would likely be better candidates than curcumin if that’s your issue. I’m not suggesting to use curcumin to try to compensate for or overcome exercise-induced joint pain so much as, like you I said, if you just have general joint issues as you likely start to age. But, then again, some of these ingredients that can help with exercise-induced joint pain can also help with other causes of joint pain. I know there’s a few ingredients that fit this bill, and you mentioned one of them.I never disagreed with this point.
Edit:
I appreciate the back and forth discussion.
I do not believe understanding how to adapt properly to the exercise most do for the adaptations and what may impact this process positively or negatively is minor; esp considering most spend a lot of money on exotic supplements with only cell culture or animal data yet blunt the adaptations to exercise by taking other supplements. We can agree to disagree here. If the pain is caused by an excessive workload and one uses curcumin to speed of return to activity but that blunt adaptations, most would benefit from just doing less work and adapting to it. Curcumin can certainly provide a hormetic effect to those with a higher overall inflammatory status, which for applies to much older individuals then most of this board. If one uses curcumin for joint pain related to exercise, maybe try standardized type-II cartilage instead, that works by retraining the immune response to damage joint tissue instead of inhibiting COX. The point of board like this is to provide concepts and ideas. Id argue most want to maximize their gains. I did post a study in humans showing curcumin can decrease left ventricular hypertrophy which should peak the interest of anyone who uses gear. So it will always be a pro and con argument.
Here is a study on type-II cartilage and joint pain related to activity:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4015808/
What is better than circumin for joint pain.That’s true, there are other ingredients for exercise-induced joint pain that would likely be better candidates than curcumin if that’s your issue. I’m not suggesting to use curcumin to try to compensate for or overcome exercise-induced joint pain so much as, like you I said, if you just have general joint issues as you likely start to age. But, then again, some of these ingredients that can help with exercise-induced joint pain can also help with other causes of joint pain. I know there’s a few ingredients that fit this bill, and you mentioned one of them.
Terminalia chebula has some very promising studies on pain.What is better than circumin for joint pain.
No Pain is a Good Thing !!800mg HydroCurc daily, can train biceps heavy again with no pain .. cant remember when I did that last time
Good Info !!I've always been in the mind that if if you can find a supplement in your spice rack, then there's really no downside. My mother who's a nurse and has arthritis issues makes a tea with it with it everyday, so it's harmless at the very least.
Seems to be one the best options for raising free curcuminoid blood levels. Its interesting.CGM (curcumin-galactomannoside) looks promising as wel
I’m still probably partial to theracumin, but given the cost, CGM looks to be a great option looking forwardSeems to be one the best options for raising free curcuminoid blood levels. Its interesting.
I’m still probably partial to theracumin, but given the cost, CGM looks to be a great option looking forwardSeems to be one the best options for raising free curcuminoid blood levels. Its interesting.
Any experience with it? I’m tempted to pick some up from Life Extension. Not sure if I should make the switch from Theracumin, but if I could save some money I am wondering if it would be worth it..CGM (curcumin-galactomannoside) looks promising as wel
That’s the brand I just picked up. I went back to C3 from Theracurmin (to see if I actually noticed a difference) for the last 2 months and noticed some slight joint discomfort, but the big confounding thing here is I’ve added a lot more volume on compound lifts into my routine so that’s the likely culprit. That slight joint pain may have come back even if I was still using Theracurmin.Any experience with it? I’m tempted to pick some up from Life Extension. Not sure if I should make the switch from Theracumin, but if I could save some money I am wondering if it would be worth it..
That’s the brand I just picked up. I went back to C3 from Theracurmin (to see if I actually noticed a difference) for the last 2 months and noticed some slight joint discomfort, but the big confounding thing here is I’ve added a lot more volume on compound lifts into my routine so that’s the likely culprit. That slight joint pain may have come back even if I was still using Theracurmin.Any experience with it? I’m tempted to pick some up from Life Extension. Not sure if I should make the switch from Theracumin, but if I could save some money I am wondering if it would be worth it..
Swanson has a CGM? I only see life extension CGM on their siteI'm trying CGM next, probably swanson brand.
They are not exactly the same, Life Extension has an trademark on better standardizations then anyone else using this raw material atmI'm trying CGM next, probably swanson brand.
I have the blue bottle from amazon. Life extension brand , it’s working wonders in my robe and half the price of my previous joint/inflammation pain supps.They are not exactly the same, Life Extension has an trademark on better standardizations then anyone else using this raw material atm
They are not exactly the same, Life Extension has an trademark on better standardizations then anyone else using this raw material atm
Good info. I'd be interested in seeing if anyone has used the LE cgm and the Swanson's Curqfen and noticed any difference in the twoI call bs. The studies on cgm were using curqfen, a patented extract. Life Extension isn't modifying a patented extract, though they may be using a different patented extract.
Yeah, pretty sure it would be against the rules of use to modify the patented extractTrade name is CurQFen.
I call bs. The studies on cgm were using curqfen, a patented extract. Life Extension isn't modifying a patented extract, though they may be using a different patented extract.
Their writeup states 'a 45.5 times increase', which is what curqfen states. Same ****, same price.Good info. I'd be interested in seeing if anyone has used the LE cgm and the Swanson's Curqfen and noticed any difference in the two