What do you want to know about Stoked/PCS?

[dmangiarelli]

We are putting together an FAQ for Stoked/Post Cycle Support and we want to know what questions you'd like answered. Post your questions in here and we'll try to get them answered with the FAQ.

Thanks!

 

[stxnas]

How old do I have to be to use STOKED!/PCS?

 

[dmangiarelli]

How old do I have to be to use STOKED!/PCS?

You're to old!

 

[jcor53]

i want to know if PCS, 6 oxo, and retain 2 will be good for a tren xtreme pct. Basically i want to know if i can run PCS instead of a serm like nolva

 

[pmiller383]

Is dosing weight dependent?

 

[10195079]

What is the recommended/optimal length of time you should run PCS for in order to achieve the best results?

I've been running PCS for 2.5 weeks as part of a 1 month PCT program, the boys are feeling better and i'm wondering if i need to use the whole bottle?

 

[AFJON]

If you are using PCS for PCT, do you still need a serm? If so, do you run them at the same time or stagger the two?

 

[dmangiarelli]

i want to know if PCS, 6 oxo, and retain 2 will be good for a tren xtreme pct. Basically i want to know if i can run PCS instead of a serm like nolva

I ran this PCT for a Bold/P-Plex/Trena cycle and recovered fine so I am pretty sure it will work for you.

 

[dmangiarelli]

If you are using PCS for PCT, do you still need a serm? If so, do you run them at the same time or stagger the two?

There are two ways to run it. You can run it in place of a SERM or as a companion along side a SERM. The choice is up to you. I used in place of a SERM and it worked great!

 

[dmangiarelli]

What is the recommended/optimal length of time you should run PCS for in order to achieve the best results?

I've been running PCS for 2.5 weeks as part of a 1 month PCT program, the boys are feeling better and i'm wondering if i need to use the whole bottle?

A PCT is a course of four weeks on a SERM or SERM like product such as Post Cycle Support.

 

[dmangiarelli]

Is dosing weight dependent?

Not necessarily but we have seen some great results at higher doses.

 

[pmiller383]

Not necessarily but we have seen some great results at higher doses.

Thanks for the quick reply.

 

[stxnas]

There are two ways to run it. You can run it in place of a SERM or as a companion along side a SERM. The choice is up to you. I used in place of a SERM and it worked great!

I would like to further expound on this. Some compounds seem to lend themselves better to a PCT without a SERM than others.

Some of the more suppressive compounds, like superdrol, make me hesitant to advise a pct without a SERM. That being said, I've had guys send me PMs and tell me that they have ran superdrol without a SERM and were okay. I would not personally do this on a straight cycle, but would consider it on a low dosed short to moderate pulse.

Compounds like Havoc and H-Drol seem to be less suppressive and are great candidates for pcts using POST Cycle Support.

You really have to take a lot things into consideration: length of cycle, pulsing or straight, the compound being used, time off since your last cycle, etc.

Thanks for all of the questions so far and plz keep them coming!

 

[dmangiarelli]

I would like to further expound on this. Some compounds seem to lend themselves better to a PCT without a SERM than others.

Some of the more suppressive compounds, like superdrol, make me hesitant to advise a pct without a SERM. That being said, I've had guys send me PMs and tell me that they have ran superdrol without a SERM and were okay. I would not personally do this on a straight cycle, but would consider it on a low dosed short to moderate pulse.

Compounds like Havoc and H-Drol seem to be less suppressive and are great candidates for pcts using POST Cycle Support.

You really have to take a lot things into consideration: length of cycle, pulsing or straight, the compound being used, time off since your last cycle, etc.

Thanks for all of the questions so far and plz keep them coming!

Even more consideration must be given to the type of compound and whether it induces higher prolactin levels, etc.

Personally, I believe that PCS could be a good base to any PCT for any cycle. But it's really up to the user to determine what will best work for them and what they feel most comfortable with. I will be running an SD cycle later in the summer and will be using PCS as my PCT with blood work.

 

[AFJON]

Even more consideration must be given to the type of compound and whether it induces higher prolactin levels, etc.

Personally, I believe that PCS could be a good base to any PCT for any cycle. But it's really up to the user to determine what will best work for them and what they feel most comfortable with. I will be running an SD cycle later in the summer and will be using PCS as my PCT with blood work.

Thanks stxnas and D for the replies. If you are running PCS alongside a serm, should you start both at the same time or start the serm first?

 

[dmangiarelli]

Thanks stxnas and D for the replies. If you are running PCS alongside a serm, should you start both at the same time or start the serm first?

Together ...

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

If you are using PCS for PCT, do you still need a serm? If so, do you run them at the same time or stagger the two?

Alot of that depends on what your running i always suggest having a serm but for the milder orals PCS is very good:cheers:

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

i want to know if PCS, 6 oxo, and retain 2 will be good for a tren xtreme pct. Basically i want to know if i can run PCS instead of a serm like nolva

You could probally get away with it but have the serm in hand in case:cheers:

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

What is the recommended/optimal length of time you should run PCS for in order to achieve the best results?

I've been running PCS for 2.5 weeks as part of a 1 month PCT program, the boys are feeling better and i'm wondering if i need to use the whole bottle?

I would finish it out to be safe:cheers:

 

[10195079]

Thanks for the info/advice...much appreciated...

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Thanks for the info/advice...much appreciated...

Any time bro we are here to try to help people out to the best of our ability:cheers:

 

[Australian made]

How effective is PCS at controling estro related sides like gyno etc?

Is there a "kick in" time for PCS. I mean should we start taking it day 1 of PCT or the last week of the cycle so it can take full effect when the cycle enters PCT etc.

 

[GEORGENIRE]

Hi i am currently running a cycle of M1T for 4 weeks, dosing as follows.

Week 1 - 10mg
Week 2 - 10mg
Week 3 - 20mg
Week 4 - 20mg

I have Nova and PCS for PCT and was planning on using both togeather was wondering if anyone had any idea of wot dossages to run for both the PCS and the Nova. Also would the addition of 6 oxo be any use or would that be overkill.

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[witt51]

would stoked be a good test booster to use on my off days on a pulse cycle?

 

[Maverick60]

Whats the actual difference in the ingredient amounts between the two? I know theyre supposed to be the same thing, it just looks like they differ slightly.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Whats the actual difference in the ingredient amounts between the two? I know theyre supposed to be the same thing, it just looks like they differ slightly.

They are exactly the same there was a issue with the label being wrong but it is the same:cheers:

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

would stoked be a good test booster to use on my off days on a pulse cycle?

Yes Stoked would be a excellent choice:cheers:

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

How effective is PCS at controling estro related sides like gyno etc?

Is there a "kick in" time for PCS. I mean should we start taking it day 1 of PCT or the last week of the cycle so it can take full effect when the cycle enters PCT etc.

PCS should be started on day 1 of pct it is excellent for reducing estrogen on some of the harsher orals such as M-drol i would have a SERM also although some have run it without and have been fine:cheers:

 

[Australian made]

PCS should be started on day 1 of pct it is excellent for reducing estrogen on some of the harsher orals such as M-drol i would have a SERM also although some have run it without and have been fine:cheers:

Nice one. Im running it with Nolva in my PCT (Epi/H-drol cycle) now but i have a feeling the nolva is junk. Nipps are on the sensitive side, i already had gyno previously so i certianly don't want to let it get worse. Threw 6oxo in last night to try help out. Hopefully they all do their job.

 

[stxnas]

Even more consideration must be given to the type of compound and whether it induces higher prolactin levels, etc.

Personally, I believe that PCS could be a good base to any PCT for any cycle. But it's really up to the user to determine what will best work for them and what they feel most comfortable with. I will be running an SD cycle later in the summer and will be using PCS as my PCT with blood work.

I agree with this completely.

I've seen quite a few guys running PCS/STOKED! WITH their SERM.

 

[dmangiarelli]

Nice one. Im running it with Nolva in my PCT (Epi/H-drol cycle) now but i have a feeling the nolva is junk. Nipps are on the sensitive side, i already had gyno previously so i certianly don't want to let it get worse. Threw 6oxo in last night to try help out. Hopefully they all do their job.

Are the nips hard? If they are hard and you are not seeing any other gyno symptoms try some mass doses of b-6. Something around 600-800 mgs/day...

 

[Australian made]

Puffy unfortunately. Already running the B6. E-form on its way, i may swap the 6oxo for that and keep running it low dose after initial pct is over so theres less chance of a rebound.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Nice one. Im running it with Nolva in my PCT (Epi/H-drol cycle) now but i have a feeling the nolva is junk. Nipps are on the sensitive side, i already had gyno previously so i certianly don't want to let it get worse. Threw 6oxo in last night to try help out. Hopefully they all do their job.

I wish you the very best bro let us know how you make out:cheers:

 

[stxnas]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/anabolic-innovations/92188-official-stoked-post.html

Here you go, everything you wanted to know!

 

[Jared]

Does Stoked contain a larger quantity of icariin than PCS or are there typos on some of the labels that I am viewing online?

 

[zbtboy]

Does Stoked contain a larger quantity of icariin than PCS or are there typos on some of the labels that I am viewing online?

There's a typo in both the dosage and the amount of capsules. They are both the same as PCS.

 

[Jared]

There's a typo in both the dosage and the amount of capsules. They are both the same as PCS.

Awesome!
That's exactly what I wanted to hear.

 

[Force of Green]

I have a question that's a bit off topic, but not exactly.

I have a LOT of capped 50% transresveratrol and was wondering if I could use that (a HIGH dose) instead of a research chemical for PCT. I'd dose it with bioperine for the absorption factor.... Do you think this is a feasible scenario or do you think that dosing too much resveratrol is a no no?

 

[Force of Green]

Bump

 

[dmangiarelli]

I have a question that's a bit off topic, but not exactly.

I have a LOT of capped 50% transresveratrol and was wondering if I could use that (a HIGH dose) instead of a research chemical for PCT. I'd dose it with bioperine for the absorption factor.... Do you think this is a feasible scenario or do you think that dosing too much resveratrol is a no no?

I think you could use it. What are you using for (cycle)? I'd probably stack it with I3C and ZMA and plan on using 6-oxo tapered down if you are using an aromatising compound ....

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

I am currently running a straight Epidrol cycle (going into week 4 at 40mgs ED) and I'm pretty shutdown already and have been since about the end of week two.
For my pct I have nolva, PCS, fenugreek, zma, and trib do I need to get an AI as well or will the PCS help in that department??
Thanks in advance guys......

 

[Force of Green]

I think you could use it. What are you using for (cycle)? I'd probably stack it with I3C and ZMA and plan on using 6-oxo tapered down if you are using an aromatising compound ....

Check out and support my log Dmangiarelli! Running Epi/H-Drol/MMV2/11-OXO.

If I run 6-OXO Extreme @ 5 caps a night along with an additional 3 caps of regular 6-OXO and taper down and use a lot of resveratrol, I should be ok.

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Check out and support my log Dmangiarelli! Running Epi/H-Drol/MMV2/11-OXO.

If I run 6-OXO Extreme @ 5 caps a night along with an additional 3 caps of regular 6-OXO and taper down and use a lot of resveratrol, I should be ok.

What where's this log at FOG??

 

[dmangiarelli]

Check out and support my log Dmangiarelli! Running Epi/H-Drol/MMV2/11-OXO.

If I run 6-OXO Extreme @ 5 caps a night along with an additional 3 caps of regular 6-OXO and taper down and use a lot of resveratrol, I should be ok.

I ran PCS/I3C/ZMA for a Bold/P-Plex/Reana cycle. I was totally shutdown (Total Test was 7!) and I just got my blood work back (Total test 422). Keep in mind I am going on 43 so my test isn't going to be high anyways. Those numbers were 4 weeks apart. I will be getting Blood work again in 6 months to get baseline numbers ...

PCS is dosed at 1200 mgs Trans-res/Day so I am a firm believer that 1200 mgs is enough ... More is not necessarily better.

Link to the log bro?

 

[dmangiarelli]

I am currently running a straight Epidrol cycle (going into week 4 at 40mgs ED) and I'm pretty shutdown already and have been since about the end of week two.
For my pct I have nolva, PCS, fenugreek, zma, and trib do I need to get an AI as well or will the PCS help in that department??
Thanks in advance guys......

The AI is to be run after (or in the 4th week of) the PCS and tapered down if you feel you need it. There is only one way to tell and that is blood work ...

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Thank you sir.

 

[Force of Green]

my log is in my signature... click the tinyurl.

 

[stxnas]

I ran PCS/I3C/ZMA for a Bold/P-Plex/Reana cycle. I was totally shutdown (Total Test was 7!) and I just got my blood work back (Total test 422). Keep in mind I am going on 43 so my test isn't going to be high anyways. Those numbers were 4 weeks apart. I will be getting Blood work again in 6 months to get baseline numbers ...

PCS is dosed at 1200 mgs Trans-res/Day so I am a firm believer that 1200 mgs is enough ... More is not necessarily better.

Link to the log bro?

Dmang's not exactly a small guy either. Here's his post about his bloodwork:

PCT UPDATE - Blood Tests & Final Review​

This is my final post on this PCT protocol. You are all free to keep asking questions and I will monitor the thread for that so that I can provide answers. The blood results are back and I will post the relevant numbers from them. All in all I would consider this PCT stack a success. I had some prolactin issues that I should have caught earlier because they developed on cycle. I finally realized what they were in PCT and addressed them with high doses of B-6. I will address toxicity issues with that in my review. Someone stated that without baseline numbers these numbers that I will present are useless. I would not say that but I will say that within 6 months I will be getting another blood test and I will not cycle before that happens. That way I will have some numbers for a baseline assessment of my test numbers. I will post those in here when I get them.

[size=+2]Blood Work Results[/size]​

I will be scanning and attaching these results tomorrow.
First round 2 days post cycle:

Total Test: 7 (Normal 250-1100) ng/dL
Free Test: 1.9 (Normal 35-155) pg/mL
Estradiol: <20 (Normal 20-75) pg/mL

Second Round 31 days later

Total Test: 422 (Normal 250-1100) ng/dL
Free Test: 50.3 (Normal 35-155) pg/mL
Estradiol: 38 (Normal 20-75) pg/mL

Liver values also normalized as they were high on the first go around.

All in all I would consider this PCT a success. My numbers (although on the low end) are back in the normal ranges and my doctor is satisfied that for my age (I'll be 43 on May 9th) my numbers are pretty normal. He is suggesting taking another blood test within 6 months to determine what my baseline numbers are and at that time we will talk about options if the test is still on the low side. He did say that even though it is on the low end that it is not low enough to consider therapy. I will caveat here that I am not satisfied with my numbers being that low but that I will accept this as proof that in 30 days PCS/I3C/ZMA helped to raise testosterone levels to a "normal" range. This blood work also consisted of one dose of 300 mgs 6-oxo the night before (about 8 pm). The blood test was taken at 5 pm so the 6-oxo should not have influenced the test numbers much.

[size=+2]Final Review[/size]​

My experience with this protocol after a Bold/P-Plex/Trena cycle that lasted for 8 weeks was successful. The dosages for the PH/DS were the following:
Weeks 1-8 Bold @ 800 mgs
Weeks 1-4 P-Plex 15/30/30/45
Weeks 5-8 Trena 20/30/40/50

PCT included the following products and dosages:
Post Cycle Support 30 days 4 caps/ED
SAMe 3 weeks @ 400 mgs/ED
I3C @ 600 mgs/ED
ZMA @ 3 caps/ED
6-oxo (starting after PCS for 3 weeks) 300/200/100
B-6 (For prolactin issues) 600-800mgs/ED (for 2 weeks)

*The cycle I did was really suppressive and I am not sure if it is because I never fully recovered from a previous Methyl-E cycle that I used only 6-oxo for PCT (didn't do blood work) or if the Bold cycle was really that suppressive. I waited 8 weeks between PCT and the Bold Cycle. Nonetheless, I will find out with the next round of blood work what really happened.

Let's start off with why I consider this PCT successful. I was extremely suppressed on this cycle so to see my levels come back into the "normal" range is a good sign. My doctor was worried that i was so suppressed that there was no way that my test would recover. I was less skeptical. I am not saying that this protocol was the best choice, only that by the standards laid out by the lab that my levels recovered to the "normal" range. DO NOT READ MORE INTO THIS THAN I AM STATING!

This PCT has proven that for me, not using a SERM and recovering in an acceptable amount of time is possible. More PCT's with blood work need to be ran by more members here to further this theory. I encourage anyone that runs a PCT (SERM or Non)to get blood work done. Blood work is the ONLY way to know if you have recovered. I am not saying that this protocol will work 100% for everyone but with more blood work we will be able to prove the viability of Trans-Res as a PCT agent and one that is easily obtainable without the questionable quality (Some SERMs have been found to be underdosed or at least did not work for preventing gyno) or legality (by legality I am referring strictly to the grey area of the law they fall into) of research chems.

I am not advising everyone to run out and by this protocol for PCT. My intent with this log was to show that we need to think more about alternatives to SERMs. I only attempted to show that one can recover in an acceptable amount of time using strictly OTC products for PCT. I believe I have shown that to be true. PCT is a personal choice. It took me a lot of time and reading to determine what was right for me even for this extremely suppressive cycle. I would encourage anyone that is planning to do a cycle and PCT to do the research and determine the best course of PCT for themselves. This log was not intended as a sales pitch for Anabolic Innovations. As I have stated several times throughout this log, I purchased everything I used in this PCT and started the log long before I became a rep. I became a rep because of the log not the other way around.

Now for the good stuff!

Why use Post Cycle Support for PCT?

I wrote up an FAQ and posted it here and I would encourage everyone who has questions about Post Cycle Support to read it. There is a lot of good information in that FAQ. PCS contains a variety of ingredients that were specially formulated for an Epistane Cycle. I believed it could be used for any cycle as a base for an OTC PCT.

Trans-Resveratrol:

There have been numerous studies showing it's effects in the presence of estrogen as an estrogen antagonist in breast tissue. AI does not sponsor the research to say what we want it to say. The research is 100% independent and unbiased. Trans-Res is very promissing in the area of cancer research and as we know that is where Nolva, Clomid and a host of other PCT products have come from.

I3C:

Even though there is considerable controversy over including I3C in PCT I am a fan now. My estradiol levels were decimated by the cycle I did. Using the I3C I believe helped to control the estradiol levels as my test came back. I have to say that the lower end normal levels of estradiol probably are related to the fact that my test is also on the lower end of normal values. Nonetheless, I would include I3C in any future PCT I run. In theory I3C channels out or metabolizes the estrogens out of the body and therefore helps in PCT to control runaway estrogen production. On a side note I3C also helps in the liver to process out toxins and thus strengthens the action of SAMe.

SAMe:

SAMe is used in PCT as a liver detoxifier. After an oral cycle you need to detoxify the liver of the methylated and non-methylated compounds. The liver still has to process the compounds even if they are not methylated. The non-methyls are easier on the liver, however.

ZMA:

ZMA is purported to raise testosterone levels but the studies I found that supported this were mostly sponsored by supplement companies. The first producer of ZMA, SNAC Systems, was founded by Victor Conte (BALCO) and he has a patent pending on the formulation. There were studies done on Washington and UCLA football players that showed increases in total and free testosterone and raised levels of IGF-1.

6-oxo:

I chose 6-oxo over other AI's because there haven't been reported cases of loss of libido using the recommended dosages. Loss of libido has been reported at recommended dosages of AI's containing ATD and 6-Bromo so I tend to stay away from those products for PCT. You are free to chose whichever AI you want ...

B-6:

B-6 in higher dosages can cause numbing of the extremities and some nerve damage as was pointed out by dinoii. I did not experience this and from the published studies that I read these symptoms are reversible when the extreme dosages are stopped.

 

[thebigt]

i am 6'1 220, 49 years old. you said earlier that great results were seen at higher doses. how high can i go and would the benefits of going higher be worth the cost? i am currently at end of 2nd week of 2 am/2pm. last 3 days been taking 3/3. thinking to go a week at 3/3 then try 4/4, what about 5/5? money isn't an issue if higher doses produce better results.

 

[dmangiarelli]

i am 6'1 220, 49 years old. you said earlier that great results were seen at higher doses. how high can i go and would the benefits of going higher be worth the cost? i am currently at end of 2nd week of 2 am/2pm. last 3 days been taking 3/3. thinking to go a week at 3/3 then try 4/4, what about 5/5? money isn't an issue if higher doses produce better results.

I am 43 and 5'11" and 200 lbs. I do ok with 2 am and 2 pm. I have seen guys run it as high as 5 am and 5 pm. This is a hard question to answer because a) there isn't much anacdotal evidence on running higher doses and b) everyone responds differently to the same compounds.

If it was me, I'd say as long as you don't feel any adverse effects go for it. Let us know your results ...