I haven't seen but the last two fights yet, so I'll let those who watched it all start off.
Lauzon took the fight on short notice. For an 18 yr old, he did very well against one of the best LW in the UFC. Some more experience and he could be a contender in the near future. Without a doubt, the LW division is going to be UFC's strength, especially if BJ drops back down to 155.Wow. Just wow. That wasn't the way I saw Franklin vs. Silva going down. I figured if Franklin lost then he'd get caught with a punch or kick and Silva would finish him, but he was just baffled by that Thai Clinch. You could sort of sense that it was over after he took so many knees to the body. I kept hoping that he'd fall to his back just to recoop or go for a take down. Man Rich's nose was halfway to his ear during the interview. He should find Rampage and they should learn how to defend against the Thai clinch together.
Silva looked great and deserves to be champ. I hope the UFC backs him and promotes him as Champ as they have Rich.
Sherk was pretty dominant, but Kenflo is tough and those elbows are ridiculous. What a bloudy battle. (Cecil Peoples scored this 50-48?)
Kongo's wrestling is clearly his weak spot. Too bad, cause I was hoping to see him against AA or Tim soon. (not sure why someone had this 29-28 Kongo)
Why put an 18 year old with 4 fights in against Fischer? I'm not saying that he won't be good one day and he looked great for most of the round, but Dan Lauzon just wasn't ready for the UFC.
Edit: I officially can't pick for ****. Silva for OWGP = ktfo. Frnaklin = ktfo. But I'll keep trying.
No doubt. The impression I get from media footage is that the champs from the Miletich camp have become @$$holes. Kinda glad to see Franklin taken down a notch.Maybe Franklin should have started the fight off by dropping to one knee...:ntome:
I'm confused, but I don't claim to keep up with the different camps either...Isn't Frankin a part of Team Extreme?...has he been training with Miletich?No doubt. The impression I get from media footage is that the champs from the Miletich camp have become @$$holes. Kinda glad to see Franklin taken down a notch.
On another note, I guess this changes up the dynamics for TUF 4, right? These guys have had it in their head that they would face Franklin.Now that Franlin is not champ, I would not be surprised to see Jeremy Horn back in the MW division in the UFC. He didn't want to fight Franklin and Horn did pretty well against Silva in their first fight. I would like to see a rematch between the two because after Swick, there really is noone else who could really challeneg for the title.
He was initially but lately he's been hanging with those guys, in each others' corner, and wearing the same gear so it would seem that he has changed camps. After he lost, the camera cut to a despondent looking Matt Hughes. Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.I'm confused, but I don't claim to keep up with the different camps either...Isn't Frankin a part of Team Extreme?...has he been training with Miletich?
What about Marquardt, Tanner, Lister or hell, bring back Linland? Not saying all of those guys deserve a shot right away, but I think that there are some interesting matches that could challenge Silva on the ground. Strong wrestlers could certainly be a problem for Silva as Alex pointed out.Now that Franlin is not champ, I would not be surprised to see Jeremy Horn back in the MW division in the UFC. He didn't want to fight Franklin and Horn did pretty well against Silva in their first fight. I would like to see a rematch between the two because after Swick, there really is noone else who could really challeneg for the title.
Hey, what about a rematch? Silva vs Franklin IIWhat about Marquardt, Tanner, Lister or hell, bring back Linland? Not saying all of those guys deserve a shot right away, but I think that there are some interesting matches that could challenge Silva on the ground. Strong wrestlers could certainly be a problem for Silva as Alex pointed out.
There was something so ridiculous about Franklin drinking the Xyience drink after with his nose bent to the side during the post-fight interview.
:toofunny:I think that the Teacher failed to do his homework.
Gotta' disagree there.He wasn't afraid of Sherk for the most part and put up a great fight...
No kidden he hit that fence hard!!I mean, he was so afraid that he ran right into the fence post!
That would be another good fight.Hahha bring in matt lindland to teach silva a thing or two about clinch fighting.
I'm pretty sure Franklin is with the Miletich camp. I also think Hughes would be punished by Silva if he went up to middleweight. Did you see him getting punished in the first 2 rounds against BJ? His boxing is his weak point.He was initially but lately he's been hanging with those guys, in each others' corner, and wearing the same gear so it would seem that he has changed camps. After he lost, the camera cut to a despondent looking Matt Hughes. Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.
No, he's not Fedor at 185, he's beatable. He lost to Ryo Chonan and Daiju Takase, he's definitely beatable. I think Lindland would have a very good chance of beating Silva. I love Silva and his stand-up is unreal, but he has holes in his game. He's not that hard to take down and unless his jiu-jitsu has improved a ton, he's not that dangerous on his back. Henderson would beat Anderson IMO, styles make fights.I don't think Lindland could take Silva.
Call me crazy, but I don't see anyone beating Silva.
The setup for the heel hook that Chonan tapped Silva with was great. I watch it repeatedly as his timing was excellent.He lost to Ryo Chonan
I mean come on, lets not play with words, you pretty much said he was unbeatable or you don't see anyone beating him, same thing. Of course he's improved, but thats grade school insight, everyone improves. You act like I didn't take that into account, but thats a given. What, am I not allowed to bring up his losses, 2 years ago and fighting infrequently it certainly is a worthwhile thought. It's not like he was some rookie out their losing fights, he was a vet at the time he lost to Chonan and Takase. So, like I was saying he has major holes in his game and thats why he has a good chance of losing to plenty of 185ers. I think a lot of people are so hyped on Anderson and have only seen a couple of his fights. I've been watching him since the Meca days, and trust he will be in trouble fighting guys like Lindland, Henderson, Filho, etc. I wish he had Cro-cop take down defense, but he doesn't. The ground is his enemy, but I guess its always possible that he's turned into a Noguiera on the ground. Beowulf, he wasn't doing that great in the Chonan fight, it was close, but Chonan was frustrating the hell out of Anderson.I didn't say he was unbeatable. I just don't see it happening.
Comparing the fighter he is now to what he was a few years ago is a mistake. He's obviously a much better fighter now.
That really makes very little sense. Him having a weak point furthers your stance on no one being able to beat him right now? What if they bring Lindland back? Anyways, you don't think anyone can beat him right now, all I'm saying is that its pretty clear that a lot of tough ground guys will give him trouble. Anderson is a great fighter, but he is not great on the ground and that will produce losses.Heh, no, those are two different things.
"Unbeatable" means just that; nobody can beat him.
"I don't see anyone beating him" doesn't mean he's unbeatable, it just means I don't see anybody doing it.
I agree he's beatable but I just don't see anyone being able to do it at the moment.
No, you can certainly bring up his losses, but let's take a look at them.
The submission that Chonan pulled off was one of the best submissions of all time and wouldn't work 99% of the time. He did it exactly right at the exact moment needed. That specific submission doesn't really tell us anything about Silva's ground game.
The Takase triangle submission is something that we haven't seen happen before or since. It's not like he has a history of being triangled or anything, like Trigg has a history of rear-naked chokes.
And for a lot of the rest of his fights, he shows competence on the ground.
If the ground is his weak point, then that just furthers my stance- I don't see anyone beating him right now.
I agree with this. Most people think UFC is the big time, pride fighters would destroy the ufc if they came over, its a different game with higher stakes and pride experience is a true asset in this arena.Which part doesn't make sense to you? The "ground game/weak point" stuff?
What I'm saying there is that he's only lost TWO fights by submission- one of which was by one of the best submissions of all time. That one doesn't really tell us anything about Silva's ground game so it's neither here nor there.
The other loss was a run-of-the-mill triangle and legit, but something we haven't seen for him before or since.
So only two losses by submission, one of which was by a tremendous submission that was so quick it would have caught anyone.
In his other fights, he shows that he's fairly competent on the ground.
So upon closer inspection, we see that his ground game really isn't THAT weak. And if that's his "weak point", then yes, that furthers my stance that I don't see anyone beating him right now.
I think that it depends on the weight class we're talking about.I agree with this. Most people think UFC is the big time, pride fighters would destroy the ufc if they came over, its a different game with higher stakes and pride experience is a true asset in this arena.
Well, Sherk said on a radio show he tore his right rotator cuff a week before the fight. It would make sense since he never threw punch with his right, just jabs and that left hook counter. I thought his standup was better than expected in the Diaz fight.After watching kenny florian stand in there with sherk im not so impresssed by him, and would give gomi a better chance than i would have otherwise.
Jas, if that were true about the RC injury, wouldn't Sherk get fined and suspened by the NSAC the way Arlovski was?Well, Sherk said on a radio show he tore his right rotator cuff a week before the fight. It would make sense since he never threw punch with his right, just jabs and that left hook counter. I thought his standup was better than expected in the Diaz fight.
The NSAC is SO gay. More gay than Ubiquitous evenSherk has been suspended. It said so on the Athletic Commission's report.
I don't the specifics of the injury. Maybe "tore" was a little stronger than the injury was. Never heard the interview, just saw people commenting about it on some MMA forums. I don't know how the NSAC suspensions work for that type of injury.Jas, if that were true about the RC injury, wouldn't Sherk get fined and suspened by the NSAC the way Arlovski was?
That is a bold statement..You willing to back that up with primary evidence?The NSAC is SO gay. More gay than Ubiquitous even
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