WTF, lol. This guy was juiced to the gills during his boxing career.
Dude definitely needs an ass whooping. I actually feel somewhat bad for the guy, he seems completely lost.I can't wait until he has an actual MMA fight and gets the **** kicked out of him
Or completely broke and in need of some publicity.Dude definitely needs an ass whooping. I actually feel somewhat bad for the guy, he seems completely lost.
Keep in mind he's a pvssy and only getting in the ring with bums who are forced to fight a boxers fight with no ground fighting and no knees, kicks or elbows. basically a handicap match to favor him and his strengths.^ I would...and thats at me 5-6, 200lbs with mad rusty fighting skillz y0...
needless to say, it would have to be a UFC 66 ME calibur salary!
Well your right and i wont be the guy to argue a point i have little experience to back up. But using old celebrity to change the rules to benefit you and hinder another is cowardly. Why could he go in there normal rules and let his boxing do the talking. It just seems cheap to me to tailor make a fight for you to win. it happens but i dont like it.How can you call him a pussy though? I mean, I don't follow this guy or boxing for that matter but anyone getting in the ring doesn't get called a pussy in my book. Now getting into fights that favor your strong points and not your weak points, is smart to me. He may be doing whatever he can to pay the bills and I can't fault him for that one either. Had he not come up HIV positive 11 years ago he may have been a much different person today.
Just because MMA is now the new flavor of the month doesn't make boxers pussies
Well your right and i wont be the guy to argue a point i have little experience to back up. But using old celebrity to change the rules to benefit you and hinder another is cowardly. Why couldn't he go in there normal rules and let his boxing do the talking. It just seems cheap to me to tailor make a fight for you to win. it happens but i dont like it.
Keep in mind that the event was billed as his MMA debut. It then became a modified kickboxing match a few days before. 30 minutes prior to the fight, Stover was informed that it would be a punches only bout. That is shady. No one is implying that Morrison is a pvssy in the sense that he is afraid to fight. He is a pvssy b/c he was a world class boxer who took a fight with an absolute nobody, and then changed all the rules so that the only prayer in the world that the nobody had was taken away.How can you call him a pussy though? I mean, I don't follow this guy or boxing for that matter but anyone getting in the ring doesn't get called a pussy in my book. Now getting into fights that favor your strong points and not your weak points, is smart to me. He may be doing whatever he can to pay the bills and I can't fault him for that one either. Had he not come up HIV positive 11 years ago he may have been a much different person today.
Just because MMA is now the new flavor of the month doesn't make boxers pussies
BTW, the promoter was his manager. That stinks worse than a bodybuilder's bathroom.I would blame the organizers moreso than him. If they would not of made concessions for the guy then there would be none of this at all. I look at him like Tyson. Victim of the machine because they need the money and were pulled up in a way that there was nothing else there for them. Without boxing and signing autographs what else do they have?
In Tyson's case, sheer unadulterated stupidity. i.e. spending a million dollars for a wristwatch in London. I have no sympathy for Iron Mike,he had all the opportunities and enhancements that money and fame brings, he'll end up a broke bartender like Leon Spinks did.Without boxing and signing autographs what else do they have?
You got that right. He definitely has HIV. I would probably play most sports with someone with HIV, but not MMA/Boxing. Morrison is out their. I remember seeing an interview on HBO with him and his wife about 5 years after he was outted as being HIV positive. The jist of the interview was that Morrison refused to take any medicine, and that him and his cuckoo wife had unprotected sex regularly and she was supposedly not HIV positive. At the time he must've weighed a buck 80 and looked like he was gonna die.That's a crazy pic. Not sure what's going on there.
The dude has HIV. His story just makes no sense. Why would he take 11 years off, then finally come back at 37 unless he couldn't pass the tests. After years of treatment I've heard it can become almost undetectable. I wouldn't fight him....
:think: How would juice make him test positive? If I recall correctly, the test checks for high levels of certain antibodies. He tested positive many times from what his former manager says and he just looks a little sickly from the pics I've seen of him lately. His fight is on a Native American reservation that has no formal testing policies and his other comeback boxing match was in the very lenient (sp?) state of West Vir.No, he tested positive for HIV because he was juicing. He fought again after he tested positive in the US, in Japan and kicked some guys ass.
Lang, who spent roughly 10 months in Morrison's camp, lodged accusations of possible blood tampering and fraud and said the boxer tested positive for HIV as late as January but still fought a month later in West Virginia -- claims Morrison strongly denies.
Since the fight was being held on the Yavapai-Apache Nation reservation -- outside the Arizona State Boxing Commission's jurisdiction -- Morrison did not need a blood test. That much was known
You guys don't want me to get into one of the best white fighters in the modern boxing era, do you.
No, he tested positive for HIV because he was juicing. He fought again after he tested positive in the US, in Japan and kicked some guys ass. He took 11 years off and is making a comeback. He has some means because he seems to be living well.
I'm not sure what you're saying. Yeah, Morrison was a really good boxer and had some huge wins, thats beside the point. He was tested by the NSAC twice and his tests were triple checked by the best labs in the country. The dude is HIV positive. Although I'm not sure of your 'threat' of telling us how great Morrison was, the fact is he would get smashed in MMA. Even if he was in his prime, he would be no match for the well rounded fighters of today. He was a good boxer and could possibly have some success in the weak HW boxing era that exists now.
Yeah, no ****. What ifs are whats pointless. I guess I could be HW champ IF I had the proper training. Nobody here is comparing boxing to MMA, but Morrison says he can whip everyone in MMA, and that is not the case. Of course a MMA fighter would lose to a good boxer in boxing, and vice versa, but its not the MMA fighters that are saying they can beat boxers, its the boxers saying they will own MMA fighters, and they need to recognize.There's a lot of what ifs...Who's to say that he wouldn't of had a strong MMA ability if things wouldn't of took a different route 11 years ago. Comparing MMA to boxing is just a pointless comparison. Most MMA would get brutilized in straight boxong...That's why there are two different sports
I agree with that, but I don't think boxers respect the danger of being on there back nearly enough. You're right though, simply teaching a boxer a good takedown defense can create a very formidable MMA fighter.MMA is a half breed sport and people can use a whole lot of areas they great at to hide their weak points. I think you could train a talented boxer easier than you could train a talented MMA fighter to switch sports. If you have a power hitter that can take a lot of a person
That's a strangely sympathetic view towards an individual who's an ongoing messup from someone who takes such a wholesale hardline view on marijuana use in people who probably mess up a whole lot less frequently and severly than Iron Mike does.I feel very sorry for Tyson. They took a kid with raw power and who wasn't educated and bred him as a killer and when the fame and money stopped so did the people in his corner and was left to fend for himself. When you grow up poor and come into alot of money you need guidance. If you're making millions and don't know that it could stop and don't prepare for it to stop then you get what happened to Tyson.
Now i'm not defending Tyson the person but only his situation. Any one of us could of ended up the same way as him, given the same circumstances. If you raise an animal and turn it loose do you expect it to be tame?
Are you really comparing illegal marijuana use to being caged? I would go as far as saying that using marijuana is self imprisonment.I ask you - If you cage a civilized man, are you suprised if he turns into an animal thereafter?
I'm saying that the legal punishment for marijuana use, less so now than in the past, incarceration, in the oppressive and dangerous jungle known as jail or prison is likely to result in a man or woman who becomes more predatory in response to the environment they were caged in.Are you really comparing illegal marijuana use to being caged? I would go as far as saying that using marijuana is self imprisonment.
Being forced into situations and chosing through free will even with proper education and warnings are two different scenarios. If you want to compare apples to apples the use something akin to Tyson's story of being broke and pathetic to most onlookers.
And just in case you missed it...I am sympathetic to his situation but not the crimes. He made those decisions and has to live with them but i still feel sorry for the guy.
Alright, theres a lot that you're not comprehending. First of all, what does how long MMA has been around for have to do with anything? I'm not getting bent out of shape, but responding appropriately to your insinuation and to the current situation with Morrison. When did I insinuate that I was a naive MMA fan that thought an MMA fighter could beat a boxer in boxing? I obviously understand(if you had read my posts in this thread you would know that) that a boxer would beat an MMA fighter in boxing, and vice versa. Morrison has no respect for MMA, and thinks that he can beat most MMA fighters. If an MMA fighter was talking trash how he would own most boxers in boxing I would be backing boxers in that situation. I'm a huge fan of boxing and MMA and I never said anything to make anyone think otherwise. You're making assumptions with comments like "almighty" MMA. This aint Sherdog buddy, most of us in here are very knowledgeable about all combat sports.Threat huh? Alexander, you really need to not get bent outta shape when someone comes close to mentioning something is better then the "almighty" mma. a sport that has been around for how long?
I love the sport but getting into an arguement about how a mma fighter would kick a boxers ass in an mma fight is pointless because a boxer would kick the an mma fighters ass in a boxing match.
Yeah, its definitely not the save all for them. But you probably agree that you can create a decent MMA fighter out of a talented boxer easier than you can create a decent boxer out of a talented MMA fighter. I can definitely see Moron...I mean Morrison complaining a la Herring against O'brien, that ground fighting is BS when/if he fights a decent MMA fighter(in MMA I have to add) and gets tooled on the ground. Personally, I liked your analogy:thumbsup:Boxers can learn TD defense, but that isn't the save all for them. Look at Crocop vs. Randleman. Crocop was so intent on his TD defense to set up strikes that he dropped his hands to sprawl and got KTFO'd. Strikers should not underestimate the striking of grapplers.
Morrison is such a douche b/c he claimed to be making his MMA debut, but actually fought a boxing match with 4oz. gloves. Maybe that is why he thinks he can kick butt in MMA--he thinks it is boxing with 4oz. gloves. Imagine if the roles were reversed, and Morrison was told that he could not throw punches standing, he could only elbow, knee, kick, go for takedowns, and subs. Stover's only hope for a win was taken out of the fight.
Which is what boggles me even more on why people risk it. It's for another topic though. Anything that makes you chance something as horrific as you just detailed prison to be, just doesn't seem all that great of a thing. However, since you know what this type of place and risk this anyways, then answer for your mistake.The punishment doesn't fit the crime, the immediate cost to society and the ongoing effect on the caged individual and those he deals with in the future is a net loss.
Not mine. I know the punishment and I do the crime and I take personal responsibility for the personal precision that allows me NOT to do the time. I guess to a degree it's thrill seeking behavior, like an extreme sport, the thrill of studying and outsmarting the Sharks. Your tactics versus my tactics, so far, I win. If I'm not hurting anyone else, why should I abide by another's control of my body? Same with Steroids and Prostitutes, a victimless crime between consenting adults.However, since you know what this type of place and risk this anyways, then answer for your mistake.
If you know the punishment and do the crime then do the time. That's my definition of personal responsibility.