You believe these scam artist's? They raise the price of all there supplements then offer a 10% discount like they are doing you some kind of favor. You actually have to pay more. You would have to be a complete moron to buy from them.
Comes out cheaper than what I was paying before actually, because my orders would qualify for the 15% off.You believe these scam artist's? They raise the price of all there supplements then offer a 10% discount like they are doing you some kind of favor. You actually have to pay more. You would have to be a complete moron to buy from them.
Oh really? Price out Plazma gram for gram using bulk and what not, please enlighten us as to the mountain of dollars you end up saving going down that path.I don't really know why anyone would buy their stuff. There are cheaper alternatives everywhere else.
Speaking of comparison shopping, people don't seem to bother to comparison shop when it comes to Bio**** products, they just assume that Bio**** is robbing them. This is entirely asinine to me.A lot of companies do that, simple marketing trick. Most people are smart enough to check other sites and compare.
I've only directly looked at Micro-PA comparison to stuff like King. Indigo seems super expensive to maintain as a GDA when there are plenty of decent GDAs on market. You got me on the blanket statement/generalization though. I'll be sure to pay attention to their entire line more (because I don't bother with all of that intra-workout/pre-workout stuff in general, and I don't do protein bars)Oh really? Price out Plazma gram for gram using bulk and what not, please enlighten us as to the mountain of dollars you end up saving going down that path.
Also please point out an alternative to Indigo. How about comparative fish oil to their TG form Flame Out.
I'm not saying that you should all go buy lots of Bio**** products, but making such gross blanket generalizations when the reality of the matter counters the generalizations is nonsensical.
Their protein powder is also actually quite good, not full of junk and is very competitively priced for what you are getting. Same goes for their Finibars.
That Indigo initially put me off, then I used it (mainly because it came with the Plazma + Mag-10 stacks they use to offer, apparently they no longer do going by their site today), did wonders for my non-fasted blood sugar levels (I'm now in upper fasted range for blood sugar but that is without actually fasting). It's likely doing a lot more than just being a GDA tbh.I've only directly looked at Micro-PA comparison to stuff like King. Indigo seems super expensive to maintain as a GDA when there are plenty of decent GDAs on market. You got me on the blanket statement/generalization though. I'll be sure to pay attention to their entire line more (because I don't bother with all of that intra-workout/pre-workout stuff in general, and I don't do protein bars)
Since you seem to use their line a lot, what products in their line do you recommend the most to try?That Indigo initially put me off, then I used it (mainly because it came with the Plazma + Mag-10 stacks they use to offer, apparently they no longer do going by their site today), did wonders for my non-fasted blood sugar levels (I'm now in upper fasted range for blood sugar but that is without actually fasting). It's likely doing a lot more than just being a GDA tbh.
Fish oil (because it's actually the cheapest for the amount you get in triglyceride form, slightly cheapest since Nordic Naturals are not that much more expensive), the protein, finibars. Plazma is probably their flagship and best product IMO but 1) you said you don't really use intras so this is a moot point and 2) Intra-MD is a lot cheaper and second only to Plazma.Since you seem to use their line a lot, what products in their line do you recommend the most to try?
Not just the articles, but in their boards, Amit, Mark, and even Christian give out some really good information outside of their posts about supplements.Yo dookie I actually ha e to agree 110%. They do some things I do not like and have changed the atmosphere of the forum in a way I do not like since they started. But hey things change, I did not like it so I stop ped posting. Kept reading though and that is another thing they have IMO hands down the BEST library of training and dietary articles FOR FREE out of anywhere I have ever seen in my life.
Amit holds the world record for squats in his weight class now but he still look like a bodybuilder4 SHO Amit is awesome! Charles Poliquin is always cool to talk to and full of info and that magazine put me on to Scott Abel who IMO is often overlooked but an amazing trainer/person
Nope. But now I'm going to have to!I watch clips of that mofo squatting like every day and I swear he must have like ant genetics with how many times his bodyweight he lifts...he is faaackin awesome!!! You ever check out Scott Abel's work?
Micro-PA I had strength increases (very modest) which were noted sometime down the line with the 2nd bottle. First bottle I saw a pretty rapid scale weight increase without change in diet. That hit ~3 lbs and stabilized. Muscle fullness was also improved as well as density. Actually had new stretch marks on my arms from using the stuff. I've used it for months. Still have part of a bottle and 3 new bottles left. Recently I finished using a tub of Now Soy Lecithin (2 lber) as that has a lot of PA in it (3 tablespoons). Didn't notice a drop off but the drop off may have been gradual. Taking Micro-PA again currently. With King, I didn't notice a drop off (original King) but when I switched back to Micro-PA, muscle fullness increased, so either King didn't have an accurate labeling of PA content or Micro-PA works better. To save some money, I would suggest buying a tub of soy lecithin and give that a go first.Nope but now I am going to have to. LoL good talking with ya bro. I also ran the "anaconda protocol" the cheaper version and it was pretty damn amazing. Recovery was phenomenal, pumps excellent, and body recomping like a mofo bro. Never used plasma but Amit told me its ridiculously good and I know Meadows swears by it to the point that MD now exists. I am not sure which to try when I get my $right also need to try some of that micro-pa or king or maybe epic's pa product...although I have no idea if epic s pa product holds a candle to the other 2. Can you tell me exactly what you got out of the micro-pa? The plazma?
No problem!Awesome bro thanks for the clarification
agree also, specially the library partYo dookie I actually ha e to agree 110%. They do some things I do not like and have changed the atmosphere of the forum in a way I do not like since they started. But hey things change, I did not like it so I stop ped posting. Kept reading though and that is another thing they have IMO hands down the BEST library of training and dietary articles FOR FREE out of anywhere I have ever seen in my life.
And you know this how?The thing about the plazma though is the ch is not as quality as pepto pro it turns out. Which I should have know because you know damn well if it was they would list the precentages
Not a single thing I can disagree on there brotherQuality is likely high of their products I have no doubt about that. You can USUALLY find similar products cheaper, but not in all categories. I'm not a big fan of their absolutely insane marketing, but marketing is marketing and they are far from the only culprit. If I could afford Biotest I'd use them more often, it's just hard to go with them when the substitutes are often so much cheaper. I could be sacrificing something I don't know. I used to buy exclusively Biotest but that was years ago as a supplement neophyte.
Biotest is making money hand over fist and have convinced numerous people that as long as it is new and from them it is amazing. Their initial prices on things like Indigo and Plazma were nothing short of remarkable, similar to car payments for a month supply. And yet I'm sure they sold a lot because of the backing they have from some customers, misguided as I may believe they might be.
Not a supplement company out there who isn't envious of their position though I bet.
I think the problem with them isn't so much that they don't use quality ingredients, it is that they sometimes lie about how the ones they use work and have the most retardedly overmoderated forum on earth where you can't even openly talk about the science, especially when their staff doesn't know how things work.Quality is likely high of their products I have no doubt about that.
You may get heat from people on here if you bash a supp they love but posts don't get deleted due to asking questions about safety. The Mod team here would be like mall security compared to the Stasi they have running the show over there. If your products are the greatest thing since sliced bread you should welcome people challenging your concepts/ideas/formulations as it gives you the opportunity to argue and prove their worth.Well...they've worked VERY hard to get in their position.
You can't flaw them for not allowing people to come to their forums and talk crap about their produts.
Yes it's heavily moderated but so is this forum.
It's supplement business, get over it lol
This board is also not selling a single brand. Derp.You may get heat from people on here if you bash a supp they love but posts don't get deleted due to asking questions about safety. The Mod team here would be like mall security compared to the Stasi they have running the show over there. If your products are the greatest thing since sliced bread you should welcome people challenging your concepts/ideas/formulations as it gives you the opportunity to argue and prove their worth.
I seriosly doudt that asking questions about safety would be delayed, unless there's something other there that makes it stink of bad mouthing their stuff.You may get heat from people on here if you bash a supp they love but posts don't get deleted due to asking questions about safety. The Mod team here would be like mall security compared to the Stasi they have running the show over there. If your products are the greatest thing since sliced bread you should welcome people challenging your concepts/ideas/formulations as it gives you the opportunity to arge and prove their worth.
I honestly don't understand how some people are completely oblivious to the fact that their forum is a means for them to sell exclusively their products. LoL. They have stated as much in both their stickies as well as that big Tim Paterson Q&A thread. Tim literally broke it down: we make better margins selling direct to consumer, the magazine and website is designed to sell more products, they don't play the let's be the cheapest products on the market game and thus there's no need to use inferior raws.I seriosly doudt that asking questions about safety would be delayed, unless there's something other there that makes it stink of bad mouthing their stuff.
i admit of not being there in recent years so i might be wrong.
There's a lot of s*** in EVERY forums...i've learned to find and concentrate on good things every forum has to offer.
I don't see how this is any different from the numerous reps on various boards that quite frankly don't know what the eff they are talking about. LoL....and i don't see how it is apparently not an issue for you that 'heavily moderated' in this context means 'openly lying about products' (with 'phenibut is not addictive/tolerance building' being the easiest example i know of). how does having the intention to sell you their stuff make that allright?
and yes, asking questions about safety are most certainly also not taken too seriously at times. i mean how would someone who does not know what yohimbine does and is in charge of those questions be able to tell you not to take tyrosine with it?
'this is not addictive' also must, by definition, lead to 'no, your inability to sleep cannot possibly stem from not taking our z12 on that day' - but maybe you guys have a very different definition of 'safe' supplement usage.
My statement about safety was in regards to them saying there is no problem taking phenibut every night and we know that is not true. In the begging back when they were testosterone.com they balanced the marketing with information. I personally just care for the current incarnation. I never knocked their products but we know they make a better margin then the other companies by selling direct which means if they wanted to they could sell for less. Of course they have the right to sell at whatever they want to and if people buy great for them. I just prefer to buy elsewhere. Kiss as far as the DERP you had to toss in there this site might not directly sell supplements but they are supported by the sales of them by sponsors, not that different to me.I seriosly doudt that asking questions about safety would be delayed, unless there's something other there that makes it stink of bad mouthing their stuff.
i admit of not being there in recent years so i might be wrong.
There's a lot of s*** in EVERY forums...i've learned to find and concentrate on good things every forum has to offer.
See that is my main problem is YOU and I know his advice is crap sometimes but lot's of folks don't and think they are an authority. That to me is an issue.I don't see how this is any different from the numerous reps on various boards that quite frankly don't know what the eff they are talking about. LoL.
I surely hope you don't think Chris on there is some sort of supplement expert, because he surely is not. LoL.
Speaking of that phenibut product, I'm actually currently using it. I obviously know better than to take it every night though, LoL. Didn't buy it because it's a superior product, bought it because it has a good dose of 5-htp and there's phenibut in it, so two caps is convenient to dose for me and a bottle lasts a long time. So more of a value purchase.
But no, please for the love of goodness, do not take Chris's supplements advice as solid advice all of the time. Please don't.
Pretty sure it's just regular phenibut. I've been using 2 caps 4-5 nights out of the week. Doesn't give me a hangover the next day so it's dosed pretty perfectly for me @ 2 caps.Speaking of their phenibut,..isn't it a bit diffrent than regular phenibut?..i mean there's only two products that has the same nomelacture around ALRI's comatose and theirs..anyone with a knowledge care to explain the diffrence?
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