Test+Primo+GH Cycle Review

[WiiTard]

It’s been awhile since I’d been on this site, life has been really busy. I’ve put on some quarantine lbs and am getting ready go on a cut, wanted some feedback on my cycle.

Cycle will be 16wks, then I will go on a try dose of 150mg test/wk:

Test Cyp @250mg/wk
Primo @500/wk
HGH @8iu EOD
Cialis @ 5mg
Adex and Asin on hand ( aromatize pretty heavy)
HCG on hand
Novla on hand

I am wanting to keep the test low to see what the primo can do, been reading that is like a Tren without the nasty side effects.
I also have some proviron on hand too and might throw that in the mix.
Currently sitting at 235lbs at 14%bf.
In my 30’s and have cycled several times before.
Does this look g2g or do I need to adjust?

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

I'm about to do a very similar cycle with test 250mg/week and primo @ 400mg/week. I was planning on taking trenvar and possibly Ostarine preworkout for an anabolic boost as well. I'm also planning on taking Var 25mg a day either at the beginning of my cycle or the end of it for around 6 weeks. I'm trying to preserve my hairline on this cycle, and that's why I was recommended Primo over Masteron enan which I was going to use instead.

I've been thinking over adding GH to my cycle, but 8ui sounds like an awful lot. I don't know a lot about GH, so I'll let the other experts here answer that, but I was thinking of adding some with 2-4ui in my stomach area for spot reduction, along with HELIOS (injectable clen + yohimbine) or a different albuterol/yohimbine injectable combo,

I was also planning on taking albuterol 4-6mg twice daily along with some T2 from Vicious Labs to help boost my BMR.

I might also add a stim preworkout or ECA related or based.

Also, I wouldn't recommend Cialis everyday. Another user posted that only Viagra can cause you to become dependent on it to get an erection, I have a sneaking suspicious the same is true for Cialis and BP. I'll send you a link with some BP stuff in it that a lot of people on here use to help with BP on cycle.

 

[BBiceps]

Looks good, I would up the Test and lower the HGH but it’s fine the way it is. Cialis @5mg ed is what I do on cycle as well, it’s fine, don’t listen to Starscream, he don’t know what he’s talking about as usual.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Looks good, I would up the Test and lower the HGH but it’s fine the way it is. Cialis @5mg ed is what I do on cycle as well, it’s fine, don’t listen to Starscream, he don’t know what he’s talking about as usual.

You see to be a very toxic poster. You keep calling me starscream and just refute my argument without any evidence. I might just end up blocking you because you're such a toxic troll.

This is from a Rehab Clinic, but science is included:

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But, Cialis at 5mg is a very low dose. So, @BBiceps is technically right that you can't get a dependency from that low a dose (more than likely), Cialis and Viagra abuse and dependency are known things, so just bear that in mind. Although he is extremely rude in his reply.

I don't know who you think I am or why, but I guess there's no convicting you.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

@BBiceps you can laugh all you want at studies and references and whatever else. But, consider yourself blocked. I'm sick of seeing you troll me.

 

[BBiceps]

@BBiceps you can laugh all you want at studies and references and whatever else. But, consider yourself blocked. I'm sick of seeing you troll me.

Do everyone a favor and block yourself from this site, maybe even the whole internet, thanks.

 

[WiiTard]

Looks good, I would up the Test and lower the HGH but it’s fine the way it is. Cialis @5mg ed is what I do on cycle as well, it’s fine, don’t listen to Starscream, he don’t know what he’s talking about as usual.

So maybe test @500/wk?

 

[mw314159]

Have you run these doses before? Primo can lower estrogen levels in some guys. I didn't know this a few years ago, so I did a cycle with 200 mg/week test and 600 mg/week primo. I was fine, but my E2 was low along with my sex drive. I should have run test at a higher dose to maintain my libido. Definitely get bloodwork before starting an AI.

Have you tried GH before? I can't even handle 3 IU/day without excessive daytime sleepiness. Not all guys get that side effect.

I would run HCG through the cycle even if you're going back to TRT afterwards.

 

[BBiceps]

So maybe test @500/wk?

Sure, I did 400/400 Test/Primo my last cycle and it was great but my next cycle with Primo I want to do 400/600 Test/Primo. Primo can lower E so AI will most likely not be needed on even a higher Test dose.

 

[BBiceps]

I would run HCG through the cycle even if you're going back to TRT afterwards.

Why?

 

[Rickytickytavi]

Hi all,

I recently did a 10 week course with:
200 mg Test C / week
320 mg Primo E / week
1 IU HGH / day
No AI
No PCT

I am 55 years old
195 cm tall
Body fat 16,7%

Increased my weight from 95 to peak 105 kgs, now 6-7 weeks after last shot 102 kgs.
Benchpress 90 kgs to 100 kgs 1 rep (I know bad)
Row Machine 60 kgs 10 reps to 75 kgs 10 reps

Started HGH 1IU (day) again two weeks ago and Libido bacome fine within a week.

Regards
Ricky

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Hi all,

I recently did a 10 week course with:
200 mg Test C / week
320 mg Primo E / week
1 IU HGH / day
No AI
No PCT

No PCT? Have you had your test levels checked? You can buy cheap online tests from:

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I would definingly get my LH, FSH, testosterone (total, free), estrogen, and maybe even prolactin and progesterone. Running a 10 week cycle without PCT is a big no no. It's likely your testosterone hasn't recovered (considering your age), so you might have to use some hCG with a SERM to get your levels back up to where they were before your cycle.

 

[Rickytickytavi]

No PCT? Have you had your test levels checked? You can buy cheap online tests from:

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I would definingly get my LH, FSH, testosterone (total, free), estrogen, and maybe even prolactin and progesterone. Running a 10 week cycle without PCT is a big no no. It's likely your testosterone hasn't recovered (considering your age), so you might have to use some hCG with a SERM to get your levels back up to where they were before your cycle.

Thanks for the advise Dan.
I have done PCT in two earlier cycles, but didnt feel so well on Nolva, thats why I skip it.
Another reason is I plan to go on again very soon, think 3 months between the runs are fine.
And yes, I was shutdown for sure, but think the small amount of rHGH I started again have put me back on track. Libido, energy level and mood are fine and has been so for over a week now !

Regards
Ricky

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Thanks for the advise Dan.
I have done PCT in two earlier cycles, but didnt feel so well on Nolva, thats why I skip it.
Another reason is I plan to go on again very soon, think 3 months between the runs are fine.
And yes, I was shutdown for sure, but think the small amount of rHGH I started again have put me back on track. Libido, energy level and mood are fine and has been so for over a week now !

Regards
Ricky

Nobody feels good on PCT, but you need to do it anyway. What happens is your estrogen levels start to skyrocket and that creates a negative feedback loop in the HPTA and causes production of testosterone shutdown.

You might "feel" great, but that's not necessarily indicative of your actual testosterone levels or anything else. I would HIGHLY recommend getting the blood testing done. It's very cheap when you order through that site, you just pick the tests out you want, pay, and go to your local Qwest or Labcorp and get a blood draw and you get your results emailed back to you in days. If nothing else, I would get the Testosterone, Free and Total blood test and the Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS test.

Alternately, you could get their "Anti Aging/Male Dhea-S, Igf, Tsh,Cbc, Psa, Lipid, Cmp, Estradiol, Testosterone" test because your cholesterol, lipids, triglycerides, liver, kidneys, and other values get affected when you run an AAS cycle, and you need to be aware of that so you can take proper precautions and/or see a qualified doctor on a proper course of treatment.

Anti-Aging/Male panel includes:

36170 Testosterone, Free and Total, LC/MS/MS
-Determine whether a problem with the testicles or pituitary gland is preventing a man from being able to father a child (infertility). A low amount of testosterone can lead to low sperm counts.

402 DHEA Sulfate, Immunoassay Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate (DHEA-Sulfate, DHEA-S)

-Used to evaluate the function of the adrenal glands. Work up women with infertility, amenorrhea, or hirsutism, to identify the source of excessive androgen. Aid in the evaluation of androgen

16293 IGF-I, Electrochemiluminescence Insulin - Like Growth Factor (IGF-1, Somatomedian C)
-Identify diseases and conditions caused by deficiencies and overproduction of growth hormone (GH). Evaluate pituitary function. Monitor the effectiveness of GH treatment

899 TSH Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
- Determine whether the thyroid gland is functioning properly. Screen for underactive thyroid gland (hypothyroidism). Screen for overactive thyroid (hyperthyroidism).

5363 PSA, Total Prostate Specific Antigen Screen, Total
- Monitor prostate cancer and how it responds to treatment. Determine if cancer may be present when other tests, such as a digital rectal exam, are not normal. Check men for prostate cancer.

6399 Complete Blood Count (w/ Diff) CBC With Diff, HCT-Hematocrit
-Evaluate the cause of certain symptoms such as fatigue, weakness, fever, bruising, or weight loss. Detect anemia. Determine the severity of blood loss. Diagnose polycythemia vera. Diagnose an infection. Diagnose diseases of the blood, such as leukemia. Monitor the response to some types of drug or radiation treatment. Evaluate abnormal bleeding. Screen for abnormal values before surgery.

7600 Lipid Panel (Chol, HDL-Chol, LDL-Chol, TGL) FLP- Lipid Profile, Lipid 1
-A lipid panel is a blood test that measures lipids-fats and fatty substances used as a source of energy in your body

10231 Comprehensive Metabolic Panel w/ EGFR CMP
-Your doctor may order a comprehensive metabolic panel as part of a regular health examination. Your doctor may use this test to check on a medical condition, such as high blood pressure, or to help diagnose a medical condition, such as diabetes

30289 Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS
- Explain abnormal sexual characteristics in men

I think most everyone here is going to be flabbergasted and really chew you out for not doing PCT. That's like Steroids 101.

 

[mw314159]

Why?

Sex drive, feeling of well being, and of course ball size. There's no reason to let testocular atrophy happen when HCG is cheap and available.

 

[BBiceps]

Sex drive, feeling of well being, and of course ball size. There's no reason to let testocular atrophy happen when HCG is cheap and available.

Interesting, I’m done having kids and on TRT so I never cared for HCG. I used HCG in the past when I PCT’d but can’t say I felt any difference from without. Thanks for your input.

 

[mw314159]

Interesting, I’m done having kids and on TRT so I never cared for HCG. I used HCG in the past when I PCT’d but can’t say I felt any difference from without. Thanks for your input.

I've been on test and HCG year round since 2008. I've only come off for a few weeks at a time, never on purpose. I definitely feel better when it's there.

 

[WiiTard]

I've been on test and HCG year round since 2008. I've only come off for a few weeks at a time, never on purpose. I definitely feel better when it's there.

How much HCG per wk do you run usually? Thanks for the input.

 

[mw314159]

How much HCG per wk do you run usually? Thanks for the input.

I use 1000 IU/week split into 3 injections. I figured out my optimal dose in 2008 / 2009 and stuck with it long term.

 

[WiiTard]

Thanks everyone for the input/critiques. I’ve made an adjustment to 500 test/wk.

Any thoughts on adding the proviron?

 

[Codybenz]

Thanks everyone for the input/critiques. I’ve made an adjustment to 500 test/wk.

Any thoughts on adding the proviron?

Whenever I’m personally asked this question, it’s always the same answer. If you can afford then yea throw it in. Just makes you feel better with every cycle. Helps libido and mood. I love it.

Some guys hate it. Usually isn’t middle ground with proviron

 

[BBiceps]

Thanks everyone for the input/critiques. I’ve made an adjustment to 500 test/wk.

Any thoughts on adding the proviron?

Not needed.

 

[BBiceps]

Whenever I’m personally asked this question, it’s always the same answer. If you can afford then yea throw it in. Just makes you feel better with every cycle. Helps libido and mood. I love it.

Some guys hate it. Usually isn’t middle ground with proviron

But with 500mg Primo you already get the libido, mood boost and E control, feels like adding something else that’s not DHT would be better?

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Whenever I’m personally asked this question, it’s always the same answer. If you can afford then yea throw it in. Just makes you feel better with every cycle. Helps libido and mood. I love it.

Some guys hate it. Usually isn’t middle ground with proviron

Since Proviron is basically methyl-DHT, do you notice any hair loss or shedding with it?

 

[Codybenz]

Since Proviron is basically methyl-DHT, do you notice any hair loss or shedding with it?

I didn’t notice any, but I was basically bald before I started AAS so my opinion on that is irrelevant, lol.

 

[Codybenz]

But with 500mg Primo you already get the libido, mood boost and E control, feels like adding something else that’s not DHT would be better?

That’s very possible, I’ve personally never ran Primo so I can’t speak to that or if adding Proviron to primo is useless. I will say in a lot of countries around the world Proviron is given just as a mood/mental enhancer. (I’ve posted that study/article on here before) I would also say Proviron has such little strain and side effects on our body it may be worth a try, if he can afford.

Sounds like OP can be our test subject. Let him get well into his cycle then throw 100mg of Proviron a day into the mix and see how he feels.

 

[BBiceps]

Sounds like OP can be our test subject. Let him get well into his cycle then throw 100mg of Proviron a day into the mix and see how he feels.

Lol, if that’s the case let’s throw in some other stuff we want to have “tested”

In all seriousness, from what I’ve heard Proviron is always a good addition to any cycle so it could definitely work, was just thinking that to maximize gains it could be better to add something that’s not DHT, like Tbol maybe?

 

[Codybenz]

Lol, if that’s the case let’s throw in some other stuff we want to have “tested”

In all seriousness, from what I’ve heard Proviron is always a good addition to any cycle so it could definitely work, was just thinking that to maximize gains it could be better to add something that’s not DHT, like Tbol maybe?

Lol, I love tbol too. But that’s apples and oranges. Honestly you won’t get any additional size or strength from proviron. You probably won’t even get any physical appearance benefits if you’re on primo. It would simply be for mood enhancement, libido enhancement, and helps with sperm count believe it or not.
So if OP is hoping proviron will add strength or size then don’t take it or you will be disappointed. That’s not something it’s going to do.

 

[Whisky]

Lol, I love tbol too. But that’s apples and oranges. Honestly you won’t get any additional size or strength from proviron. You probably won’t even get any physical appearance benefits if you’re on primo. It would simply be for mood enhancement, libido enhancement, and helps with sperm count believe it or not.
So if OP is hoping proviron will add strength or size then don’t take it or you will be disappointed. That’s not something it’s going to do.

I’d always heard prov is a good physique enhancer when you are lean, as in it really shines on a cutting cycle when going sub 10%

 

[WiiTard]

Thanks fellas, I just happen to have some proviron in my stash that my buddy gave me. I might just save it for a later blast.

 

[BBiceps]

Thanks fellas, I just happen to have some proviron in my stash that my buddy gave me. I might just save it for a later blast.

Or just take some with your TRT dose, it should free up some Test and well being.

 

[Whisky]

Thanks fellas, I just happen to have some proviron in my stash that my buddy gave me. I might just save it for a later blast.

ive been saving some for a couple of years for a summer cut where I feel I might actually get best use for it. Possibly this year.

expensive to run at the ideal doses hence wanting to save it for the right blast

 

[Mathb33]

Primo is like a tren without the sides? You’ll be highly disapointed. Primo is a good compound but is without a doubt the weakest too, as it’s the most side free. Usually sides / strength match.

 

[Codybenz]

I’d always heard prov is a good physique enhancer when you are lean, as in it really shines on a cutting cycle when going sub 10%

It is, I just don’t know if you will really notice any physique enhancements while also running high dose primo.

If you just took a decent dose of proviron with just test then yeah you could see some drying and hardness.

just not sure if it will make a difference with primo already there