Super dmz or Msten

[Blaze298]

I'm about to start a cycle of either Msten or sdmz 2 as my second cycle. I do have the proper pct and on cycle products I need to run either one but was wanting feedback on which would be better for a second cycle. My first cycle was 1 and 4 andro from iml had great results and was wanting to try something a little stronger any feedback is appreciated thank you

 

[Blaze298]

Anyone??

 

[criticalbench]

Well, what are your goals?

Bulking: dmZ
Recomp: msten

 

[Blaze298]

I'm trying to do a lean bulk but are either of these too harsh for a second cycle?

 

[MMAguy]

M-sten is IMO the most powerful PH for lean gains.

Dmz will put on more mass but more of it will be water weight, so you'll end up with less gains afterwards. Just my opinion.

 

[Blaze298]

Yes that is what I have heard I was thinking of going with Msten for the recomp effect last cycle I had nolva in pill form but does anyone know if liquid is just as good?

 

[MMAguy]

I've only used liquid. Never used pill form serms. They do the job. Curious what others have to say in regards to liquid vs pill form serms though...

 

[georgetown]

I've only used liquid. Never used pill form serms. They do the job. Curious what others have to say in regards to liquid vs pill form serms though...

you get bloodwork done after liquid serms just wondering?

 

[Blaze298]

I got mine from cem do you think it's bunk

 

[BamBam0319]

I got mine from cem do you think it's bunk

Nope. CEM is gtg.

 

[MMAguy]

you get bloodwork done after liquid serms just wondering?

No. I'm going to next time. But the liquid was tested and it came back being highly pure and concentrated.

 

[MMAguy]

They are a great company

 

[BamBam0319]

No. I'm going to next time. But the liquid was tested and it came back being highly pure and concentrated.

Did you get it from a sponsor here?

 

[MMAguy]

Mod edit: last warning

 

[Blaze298]

Should I use clomid instead with msten or is nolva fine

 

[BamBam0319]

Should I use clomid instead with msten or is nolva fine

Either choice is perfectly fine. Are you already on cycle?

 

[Blaze298]

I was thinking nolva 20/20/10/10 is that a good dosing

 

[Blaze298]

No I'm going to start in 2-3 weeks just finalizing everything making sure I'm prepared is one bottle of liquid nolva enough for 4 weeks

 

[MMAguy]

One bottle of the liquid Nolva lasts me two cycles

 

[Blaze298]

Okay well that's good to know so far I have one bottle of liquid nolva super pct ar1macare and lj-100

 

[Jebrook]

I would definitely choose Msten over SDMZ 2 for a 2nd cycle no matter what the goal. SDMZ is a combination of both. For that reason alone it should be the last choice of your two options. If you can get solo DMZ it would also make a nice 2nd cycle. Many seem to tolerate it well and anecdotally it seems to be just a bit lighter on sides than Msten.

 

[BamBam0319]

Yep

Good to know that it's actually quality, I've always just gone by feels

 

[MMAguy]

I heard IML liquid serm is good... anyone have experience with them? I'm scared to try even though they are a sponsor.

 

[fordmandiesel]

m sten is pretty dry, ive done dmz and m sten solo runs and a dmz 2.0 cycle, all 3 cycles yielded great results, m sten a lot of strength and dry gains, combine them both in the 2.0 and hold on for the ride baby

 

[fordmandiesel]

i would also like to know about IML serms