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dosing is 4x's/day...not sure if I missed it, but does it matter if on an empty stomach or no? would it be of any benefit to dose with a PreWO mix?
I don't think it matters if it is on an empty stomach. I'll find out but considering it is a sublingual, if you do eat, I'd brush your teeth/tongue, getting your mouth primed for maximum absorption. Like with generate, hold under tongue for 1 minute and swish in your mouth after, then swallow. (no homo references)
 

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I don't think it matters if it is on an empty stomach. I'll find out but considering it is a sublingual, if you do eat, I'd brush your teeth/tongue, getting your mouth primed for maximum absorption. Like with generate, hold under tongue for 1 minute and swish in your mouth after, then swallow. (very homo references)
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I'm not here to judge bro. I love all of you just the way you are. :cheers:
HAHHAAH, just came back to this...now THOSE are some funny postings....I think milk just came out of my nose...:dunce:
 
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LOL that was too easy Volcom.
 
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EXCELLENT Ecdysterone article

I highly recommend you guys read this!

Ecdysterone Info And Products
Natural Muscle And Strength Booster


What are*you*trying to obtain?*You might want to build yourself a more athletic body-- maybe even one with deep muscular cuts of muscle, perhaps a chiseled six-pack, and possibly even some ripped legs? Or, how about simply improving where you are at right now in terms of health, muscle-gain and fat-loss?

For starters, this is going to take some work. But, what good is hard work if it's not producing maximum gains in both strength, fat-loss, and health? Not as good as it could be!

The research and development of anabolic supplements has yielded some amazing results in recent years and the scientific breakthroughs show no signs of diminishing. Of course creatine, glutamine, protein and multi-vitamins are standard issue in an athlete's arsenal. Beyond the basics, we've witnessed the development of Prohormones, ZMA, and Isoflavones such as Methoxyisoflavone. Clearly, we've seen remarkable advances in anabolic supplementation in the past five years and now another breakthrough has been released.

Prepare yourself for what could be the single most important
advancement in bodybuilding...

The future of supplementation is here!

Ecdysterone is a powerful compound to say the least and based on the research, it can definitely help you*maximize your genetic potential. Best of all, it's safe and effective for men, women, and even teenagers! In fact, ecdysterone may just be the next herbal extract to create a*revolution*in the health, fitness, and bodybuilding world.
What is it and where does it come from?

It's known by other names of course, the technical name is 20-Beta-Hydroxyecdysterone and other common names are: ecdisten, ecdysone, isoinokosterone, 20-hydroxyecdysone and ecdysterone. Interestingly, it was first discovered in insects. Actually, insects depend on it for their survival. Could there be some correlation between insects superior strength ratio and this compound? What would the effects be on vertebrates such as mammals? If we had the proportionate strength of an ant, for example, we could easily pick up a car.

Even if a fraction of this power could be available through ecdysterone supplementation, the idea of supplementing with "bug juice" just isn't too appealing. Luckily, it's not obtained through insects for supplementation! It happens to exist as a compound in the herbs Rhaponticum/Leuzeae and Cyanotis vaga, and is therefore a naturally occurring phytochemical. Phew! Until recently; however, it was not easily available. Although Ecdysterone has been known and tested in Russia since 1988, it never received much attention because there existed no cost-effective way to extract it. Russian researchers and scientists had a very pure version developed, but it was costly...$20,000 per kilogram. The only other choice was Suma extract, which contained so little ecdysterone that it would have been ineffective as a viable ecdysterone-supplementation option. Within in the past year (2000), companies specializing in the extraction of high potency compounds from herbs have developed a way to extract concentrated ecdysterone at a standardized*up to 97%! The breakthrough technology, in-vitro cell cultivation, provided the needed purity and concentration of ecdysterone to make it a viable option for economical supplementation. This is great news for anyone wanting to increase lean muscle mass, decrease fat and improve performance. So, bodybuilders, fitness enthusiasts and athletes listen up, the scientific data behind this ingredient is simply incredible!

What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?

Scientists have performed over 50 studies on ecdysterone to conclude one resounding agreement: Ecdysterone is safe and it improves nearly every bodily function...without side effects. What else does it do?*Two words: Muscle Growth.*Ah, what the heck, here's a few more...
Research-backed ecdysterone supplementation properties:

Ecdysterone Highlights:

  • A Drastic Increase in Lean Body Mass*
    Increased Endurance*
    Stimulates Metabolism*
    Improves Nerve Function and Enhances Erythropoiesis (the development of mature red blood cells (erythrocytes)*
    Maintains Healthy Blood Sugar That Is Already Within The Normal Range*
    Reduces Adipose Tissue*
    Improves Nearly Every Bodily Function Including Brain and Liver*
    It's Safe and Effective for Men, Women, and Even Teenagers
    Prevents the Loss of Muscle Mass while Promoting Growth of Muscle Fibers*
    Not to mention:
    It does all this with absolutely no reported side effects.
    No Negative Side Effects
    No Virilization
    No Conversion Into Estrogenic Compounds
    No Liver Toxicity
    No High Blood Pressure
    No Testicular Shrinkage
    No effects on the hormonal system in mammals including humans
    Incredibly Low Toxicity Levels (Over 4,000 times that which a person should consume)
    Complete List:
    Increases protein synthesis*
    Improves nearly every bodily function*
    Stimulates protein synthesis in nervous tissue and increases nerve function*
    Increases total protein and glycogen content in muscles*
    Increases myofibrilar proteins*
    Supports healthy blood sugar levels already within the normal range*
    Perfectly maintains balanced glycemic levels that are already within the normal range, leading to constant energy and feeling of well-being*
    Stimulates incorporation of glycogen into proteinaceous tissue such as liver and muscle*
    Pushes nutrients into muscle and organ tissue yielding better muscle growth*
    Stimulates the phospholipids that are linked to enormous health benefits when stimulated*
    Cell membrane stabilizing properties*
    Potent antioxidative effect*
    Vastly increases athletic performance by increasing work capacity, body-weight, lung capacity, and VO2*max while also increasing exhalation of CO2.*
    Increases lean muscle tissue and reduces adipose content*
    Reduces fatigue and apathy, yet increases speed and strength*
    Promotes a positive nitrogen balance and maintains a greater rate of protein synthesis*
    How does it possibly exhibit all of these above positive effects with little or no negative side effects? The secret lies in the compound itself.
How Does Ecdysterone Work?*The single most important factor in maximizing muscle growth is*environment. Ecdysterone works to create the "perfect" muscle-building environment in the body, among other positive effects. The perfect conditions for creating the perfect muscle building environment include maintaining a positive nitrogen balance and increasing protein synthesis along with intelligent, consistent exercise and a balanced diet rich in protein. It's long been understood that if the body was able to maintain the perfect anabolic environment, maximum muscle growth would occur.

Maintaining positive nitrogen balance and increased protein synthesis without also incurring hormonal side-effects was the trick. This is why researchers became so enthralled with ecdysterone when Doctor Burdette in 1963 found that ecdysterone enhanced the rate of protein synthesis.* This was the beginning of over 50 studies showing the remarkable effects of ecdysterone on the body while simultaneously showing now side effects. Now, with the increased economical availability of pure concentrated ecdysterone, the picture is finally becoming more complete.

Learn more about the benefits of Ecdysterone on*Clayton South's Health Facts.

Studies

Ecdysterone has been tested for its effects on work capacity, immune function, lean body mass and fat loss, among other variables in a number of scientific studies. The vast majority of research indicates an increase in test subjects' lean mass.* Results were further improved when ecdysterone was consumed with protein.

Increase Protein Synthesis and Invoke Positive Nitrogen Balance*
Studies conducted in the Soviet Union in 1988 showed ecdysterone helps "increase hepatic protein synthesis and subsequently promote positive nitrogen balance!"* How does this lead to more muscle mass? Simply: "the more nitrogen your body maintains and the greater rate of protein synthesis, the more mass, period."* How, exactly, does ecdysterone do this? V. Smetanin, researcher of the Smolenk State Medical Institute in Russia speculates that ecdysterone decreases urea concentration in the body and increases hemoglobin levels by increasing a process called erythropoiesis.* Erythropoiesis is the development of mature red blood cells. This leads to a stimulation of the anabolic process in protein metabolism, which in turn leads to a positive nitrogen balance in the body.*

Increase Lean Muscle Mass While Reducing Body Fat*



The most often quoted ecdysterone scientific study was published inScientific Sports Bulletin*by S. Simakin in 1988. The objective of Simakin's famous study was to determine the effect of ecdysterone on muscle tissue mass and fat mass, while testing for hormonal changes in the subjects. For the study, three control factors were used: a placebo, protein, and ecdysterone with protein. The results were significantly in favor of the third factor. Of the 78*highly trained*male and female athletes who consumed just protein, they showed only a slight increase in muscle mass for the 10 day period of time. Those who used a placebo lost a slight amount of lean muscle, while those who used protein plus ecdysterone showed a 6-7% increase in lean muscle tissue with nearly a 10% reduction in fat!* Let me say that again:*A 10% reduction in fat and a 7% increase in lean muscle tissue in just 10 days!**Safety testing was conducted during the same time period which showed no difference in hormonal balance. Wow, if ecdysterone plus protein can do this for highly trained athletes, just think what it can do for the average person!
It's interesting to note the amount of Ecdysterone these Soviet Studies used. According to Derek Cornelius, "Most of the experiments used 5 mg per kilogram of body mass per day as the dosage." To find out how much you would need to take to supply this same amount of ecdysterone, use this equation:


MG/KG X Your Weight = Dosage:

In Kilograms:
5 mg X 78 kg = 386

In Pounds:
5 mg X 170lbs / 2.2lbs = 386

So, the average person should consume 300-600 mg of ecdysterone per day to meet this dosage. This compound is so non-toxic that this is a perfectly safe amount to consume. Syntrax Syntrabol is currently the only product that supplies enough mg of ecdysterone (200 mg per capsule) to effectively supplement at the 600 mg level.

Increase Stamina, Endurance, and Energy*

Ecdysterone was tested in another study performed in 1986 by B.Ya Smetanin. For this research, 117 highly trained speed skaters between the ages of 18 and 28 were tested for work capacity, body weight, lung capacity and VO2*max. The results speak for themselves: all of the said parameters increased as well as an increase in the O2*pulse max and an increase in the exhalation of CO2.* Basically, they received more oxygen to their cells! This equates to decreasing recovery time, maximizing performance, permitting optimal muscle anabolism and maximum fat reduction.* It also means the athletes using ecdysterone compared to those on a placebo experienced increased stamina, endurance and energy.

That's not all!*A study conducted using 112 athletes performed by B.G. Fadeev in Russia showed some very impressive overall results. However, by this time, the results should come as no surprise. 89% of those who supplemented with ecdysterone versus a placebo reported less fatigue, greater performance, more motivation, greater speed, and improved strength.* How long did it take before these athletes reported these effects? Months? Weeks? No,*five days.*To make matters even better, no adverse side effects were reported.
Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?

Bodybuilders, athletes and fitness enthusiasts will find the extra gains in lean muscle mass and reduction in body fat very beneficial.* Based on all the research, Ecdysterone looks to be not only incredibly effective as a performance enhancer on all facets, but also very safe. Since it is not a required nutrient, there are no symptoms of deficiency. However, if you would like to experience more energy and strength gains in less time than you've probably ever experienced, grab some ecdysterone and protein because you are the perfect candidate!* Check out the section below to learn more on side effects and recommended dosages.
How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?

What about side effects? That's the best part! As you already know by now, research studies show no negative side effects, no hormonal interactions, and a very low toxicity level for ecdysterone. When tested by ICN Biochemicals on December 31, 1998, a complete safety test was performed to determine the toxicity. The data showed the amount of ecdysterone one would have to take in order to reach toxicity. The amount? 6400 mg/kg! In other words, an average 170lb person would have to take 494,528 mg of the compound to reach this point! This is 4,121 times as much as the recommended dose.

So, as you can see, it's very safe with an incredibly low toxicity. Furthermore, endocrine testing showed that ecdysterone caused no effect whatsoever on the mammalian hormonal system. Testing was measured on testosterone, cortisol, insulin, ACTH, growth hormone, and leutinizing hormone. The data not only shows ecdysterone to be extremely safe, but effective as well! The recommended dose of ecdysterone is 80-120 mg per day and upwards of 400-600 mg per day. We've even heard reports of people receiving amazing results working up to using as much as 1200 mg safely per day. Remember, ecdysterone should be taken with protein-rich meals for best results!

Republished from Clayton South's Health Facts.
 
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Please share any info on when does "pre-sale" end and product start shipping ?
 
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Im sorry....this is 100% incorrect.
Show me. Ecdy is one of those products that has been around forever. It looks good on paper but it doesn't translate into real world results. I understand the Russians had to inject it to make it work.
 
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Please share any info on when does "pre-sale" end and product start shipping ?
I ordered mine Thurs late afternoon and rec'd a 'your order has shipped' email Fri morning....fwiw....
 
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Show me. Ecdy is one of those products that has been around forever. It looks good on paper but it doesn't translate into real world results. I understand the Russians had to inject it to make it work.
no offense, but i dont have the energy to talk you into it.....ill just buy the product and enjoy it like ive had in the past with a few other ecdy products.
 
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you guys running this solo?
So far its gonna be solo with the basics & staples. Best way to gage the impact.


budget is kinda thin right now and with x-mass fast approaching the supplement $$ has been depleted. I'm forced to goto the company forums and beg for free stuff or hope to win something to do a log.
 
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I know the answer is probably no, but is there any problem in running this along side ghenerate?
 
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I know the answer is probably no, but is there any problem in running this along side ghenerate?
That would be a killer stack in my opinion. Go for it! I know I will :yup:
 
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Bringing this up to the top. You guys who are looking to do any winter bulking, this is a perfect addition to a stack or just to run along with your staples and creatine mono to pack on some lean mass. Get on it!
 
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Bringing this up to the top. You guys who are looking to do any winter bulking, this is a perfect addition to a stack or just to run along with your staples and creatine mono to pack on some lean mass. Get on it!
I want to so bad. If it becomes officially released, I'll be giving a shot for sheeze.
 
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Bought, but I'm a cheap skate and only bought 1 bottle. Will that be enough to notice the effects?
 
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Bought, but I'm a cheap skate and only bought 1 bottle. Will that be enough to notice the effects?
Diamond Bar, eh.... I may or may not rob you. Wait, home invasions are a no-no on the LG reps rules list. I'm watching you :eek13:
 
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I work in Diamond Bar :cheers: is the big joke.
 
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In that case don't you hate the LA Fitness out here? The 24 hour in walnut isn't much better either, but there seems to be only 2 non consecutive hours in the day when they aren't full of tards.
 
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In that case don't you hate the LA Fitness out here? The 24 hour in walnut isn't much better either, but there seems to be only 2 non consecutive hours in the day when they aren't full of tards.
The Diamond Bar L.A. Fitness is B.S. It's the worst. I don't go there. I go to LA Verne and Glendora, sometimes Upland. I think Diamond Bar actually has missing Db's from people jacking them. I only went there when I was attending CSUF because it was on the way. Apart from that, the Diamond Bar gym is something I try to avoid.

I haven't been to the DB gym enough to know when the tards go there or who they are. I've seen some roided out Dbag that walked around like the was Jay Cutler's mentor, but apart from that, I don't know much else about that gym.
 
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I have tried several brands of Ecdy and even megadosed it on several occasions. I really wished this was a effective product because it would not only build muscle but it also has numerous health benefits. However, nothing I have tried has worked. Maybe this product will be different but I highly doubt it. This is what the experts have to say about Ecdy:

"Despite these positive findings by Russian researchers, there has been no research, performed outside of Russia, that looks at the effects of ecdysterone on human performance. Therefore, ecdysterone cannot be confirmed as an effective anabolic agent, in humans, until further research is performed, in a well-controlled trial and on a large scale, that is widely available for review purposes.

It is extremely unlikely that ecdysterone, at the doses normally recommended by nutritional companies, is as effective as their claims – some internet sites are making extravagant claims like “gain 7lbs of lean muscle in 10 days”.
 
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I have tried several brands of Ecdy and even megadosed it on several occasions. I really wished this was a effective product because it would not only build muscle but it also has numerous health benefits. However, nothing I have tried has worked. Maybe this product will be different but I highly doubt it. This is what the experts have to say about Ecdy:

"Despite these positive findings by Russian researchers, there has been no research, performed outside of Russia, that looks at the effects of ecdysterone on human performance. Therefore, ecdysterone cannot be confirmed as an effective anabolic agent, in humans, until further research is performed, in a well-controlled trial and on a large scale, that is widely available for review purposes.

It is extremely unlikely that ecdysterone, at the doses normally recommended by nutritional companies, is as effective as their claims – some internet sites are making extravagant claims like “gain 7lbs of lean muscle in 10 days”.
yep, purely Market claims !
I too have been down the long road of Ecdy products with dissappointment.
I am however intrigued by this product simply because they seem to have gotten the correct extract of RC and also the method to confirm it which I believe was due to some coeffort with the makers of E-bol.
 
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– some internet sites are making extravagant claims like “gain 7lbs of lean muscle in 10 days”.
That's an outrageous claim in any dimension. I'd laugh till I pood myself if I read a study that claimed that coming out of Harvard or M.I.T. That's just ridiculous.

I'm hopeful about Ecdy, but anything "legal" should have a realistic cap of results far, far, far beneath 7lbs of LBM in 10 days.
 
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It is extremely unlikely that ecdysterone, at the doses normally recommended by nutritional companies, is as effective as their claims – some internet sites are making extravagant claims like “gain 7lbs of lean muscle in 10 days”.
thats just typical marketing these days,

ecdy is a great tool if you get the right kind, and you have to train hard to get results from it and keep a high protein diet but i dont ever expect anything like that claim, lol
 
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Hmm Im def interested, but Idk if I will buy. Anyone want to trade :sgrin:?
 
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