Sharing my experience deca and EQ only. ZERO TEST

[doyoulift]

Okay so here's is the story behind this experiment. My first ever cycle was test e at 300mg and gained 15 pounds while dieting. My second cycle I decided to add in deca at 300mg. I've never used prami or caber while on deca or tren or both combined. Even when I had labs drawn my prolactin wasn't elevated at all. So I took a liking to deca as it does nothing negative for me. My third blast I decided to up my test from 300 to 450 keeping my deca at 300. I would shed hair so badly and was the only time I ever had too pull my hair out of my shower drain screen. I would break out on my face, back, and chest which forced me too use accutane too clear up. My next blast after that I went 300 test and 300 deca. Stupidly after the 6th week I upped my test dose too 600mg. My hair started shedding again and I broke out way worse then before as you'd expect. So I figured Id try an experiment the deca was already peaking as it was week 8 that I dropped the test completely and added in 600mg EQ being the first time I've ever tried EQ. I'm currently almost 9 weeks from dropping the test completely. Each week I waited any moment for my sex drive too go to ****. Too my surprise my sex drive is higher then when i was on higher test. Still after 8 plus weeks with zero test my sex drive is insane. 3 weeks ago I also added on mast at 400mg a week. My acne on my face and chest is gone, just some left on my back. I haven't pulled a single hair out of my shower drain screen since I dropped the test completely. Before I could run my hand back and forth through my hair and as long as I kept doing it my hair would fall out like crazy. Now I can do the same thing and ill hardly have a single hair fall off my head. I'm on other forums and many people seem interested in this experiment I've been doing so I figured I'd join other forums and share my experience for others who may be interested or are sensitive to DHT sides like I am. I'm going on my 17th week on and since dropping the test i look better, I'm stronger then I've ever been and get stronger consistently, and I feel much better then on test. My lab work is all perfect too my surprise. I also like not having to dose that much ai. Anything over 300mg of test e I have no choice but too use letrozole 2 times a week. I will I longer use test. Too me it's a dirty drug and does way too much outside the muscle cell. Even a trt dose of 150mg makes me break out and shed hair so I opt out from using it completely. When and if I come off I'll cruise on 100-150mg but I'm not looking forward too it haha. Currently I upped my deca dose too 450 and still have no deca dick or sexual dysfunction from zero test. EQ has stayed at 600 the whole time. I'll switch out mast prop 400mg too tren ace 350mg sometime soon. Strange for me is that I've never gotten watery or fluffy from deca. I'm always lean though so I'm sure diet is a big factor. To date this is my favorite blast. I'd say it's worth a try if anyone else is interested. Worst case scenario you just add test back in. I'll keep posting updates when I change compounds or come off to see how I'm effected.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Okay so here's is the story behind this experiment. My first ever cycle was test e at 300mg and gained 15 pounds while dieting. My second cycle I decided to add in deca at 300mg. I've never used prami or caber while on deca or tren or both combined. Even when I had labs drawn my prolactin wasn't elevated at all. So I took a liking to deca as it does nothing negative for me. My third blast I decided to up my test from 300 to 450 keeping my deca at 300. I would shed hair so badly and was the only time I ever had too pull my hair out of my shower drain screen. I would break out on my face, back, and chest which forced me too use accutane too clear up. My next blast after that I went 300 test and 300 deca. Stupidly after the 6th week I upped my test dose too 600mg. My hair started shedding again and I broke out way worse then before as you'd expect. So I figured Id try an experiment the deca was already peaking as it was week 8 that I dropped the test completely and added in 600mg EQ being the first time I've ever tried EQ. I'm currently almost 9 weeks from dropping the test completely. Each week I waited any moment for my sex drive too go to ****. Too my surprise my sex drive is higher then when i was on higher test. Still after 8 plus weeks with zero test my sex drive is insane. 3 weeks ago I also added on mast at 400mg a week. My acne on my face and chest is gone, just some left on my back. I haven't pulled a single hair out of my shower drain screen since I dropped the test completely. Before I could run my hand back and forth through my hair and as long as I kept doing it my hair would fall out like crazy. Now I can do the same thing and ill hardly have a single hair fall off my head. I'm on other forums and many people seem interested in this experiment I've been doing so I figured I'd join other forums and share my experience for others who may be interested or are sensitive to DHT sides like I am. I'm going on my 17th week on and since dropping the test i look better, I'm stronger then I've ever been and get stronger consistently, and I feel much better then on test. My lab work is all perfect too my surprise. I also like not having to dose that much ai. Anything over 300mg of test e I have no choice but too use letrozole 2 times a week. I will I longer use test. Too me it's a dirty drug and does way too much outside the muscle cell. Even a trt dose of 150mg makes me break out and shed hair so I opt out from using it completely. When and if I come off I'll cruise on 100-150mg but I'm not looking forward too it haha. Currently I upped my deca dose too 450 and still have no deca dick or sexual dysfunction from zero test. EQ has stayed at 600 the whole time. I'll switch out mast prop 400mg too tren ace 350mg sometime soon. Strange for me is that I've never gotten watery or fluffy from deca. I'm always lean though so I'm sure diet is a big factor. To date this is my favorite blast. I'd say it's worth a try if anyone else is interested. Worst case scenario you just add test back in. I'll keep posting updates when I change compounds or come off to see how I'm effected.

Thanks for a new topic, wish you broke it into paragraphs. BUT I am a huge fan of Deca EQ combo. I usually run low Test with it but I really never thought of dropping Test tottally, If you have 0 Test you could probably updose eq to 1100 and deca to 600 and still be in way healthy ranges on BW with the exception of hematacrit count. Do you know you need to watch that on EQ?

On diff note you have to realize that you didn't stumble on some mericle cycle, this is just what really works for YOU. I get puffy on deca but EQ hardens that out. I don't get deca dikk but many ppl do even at low dose. The sex drive icrease is very common with DHT derivatives. I've heard dihydraboldenone is stright viagra. For me Tren is a rediculuose sex machine but others get Tren dikk.

So why are you experimenting with adding diff compounds? I like the idea of just Deca and EQ but I would really like to see what an optimum mg is for this combo. as in as little as possible to get great gains. Instead of adding Tren would you think about just upping Deca to 600? I'm not ideal person for this test but some guys just respond insainly great from deca as you do. What is your experience with Tren? and what is the main goal for adding it?

 

[doyoulift]

I have a tiny little phone and I text really fast so I don't really think about spacing out paragraphs. I didn't think I found a miracle cycle. I just wanted too show my experience with not using any testosterone at all as bodybuilders in the golden era would do. Everyone says you need test no matter what so instead of repeating what everyone else does. I tried it for myself.

The main reason for myself was to get rid of the test sides and see how it effected me not having it in. Which it's been better then actually having test In even at a trt dose. I know every cycle has been tried over the decades but people are still interested in no test cycles. There is A lot of noise of deca only cycles because enhanced athlete posted a video with them trying deca only but their deca was fake and was actually test.

I only ever read people on forums who have had deca dick. I've never met anyone in person that I know used deca higher then me that even uses caber or prami. There was no caber or prami on the old days and deca was always touted as one of the best. The endocrinologist I work with told me that men can't have elevated prolactin without their estrogen having been elevated. Dbol is the only thing that ever have me nipple discharge which shows right there that it's estrogen. I've always had estrogen in check and never had issues even combining deca an tren.

I agree everyone is different, this is just for those who have ungodly sides like I do from even a trt dose of test. It's an option for them too try and worst case scenario you add test back on. Woopty doo, like that's too hard too handle. For me I haven't stopped growing on 300 deca and 600 EQ. I only upped to 450 cause I got a vial of npp laying around and decided to add it in. You can only grow at a certain rate and increasing the dosage isn't going to make it any faster especially with how long I've been lifting/using gear. I've never had to dose high and I'm the biggest guy in my gym and the leanest.

I feel most deca bloat is because ninety percent of people have mega dose test in their cycle already. If you eat clean no steroid should bloat you. Dbol never did for me, anadrol never did, neither does deca. I bulk for 10-16 weeks and do mini cuts anytime I start losing my veins and getting fluffy. Never been from the gear always from diet that I got fluffy.

As far as EQ goes yes I know to watch hemoglobin and hematocrit. I have Crohn's disease and reiters disease so I get blood work every week from my rheumatologist that checks all that, my lipids, creatinine, and my C-reactive protein. On too of my doctor who orders my hormone labs every 6 months. I've never had elevated rbc, or hemoglobin/hematocrit.

 

[doyoulift]

I don't believe there is any miracle cycle. All cycle success is determined by consistent diet of nutritional food, training intensity, and consistency. I know guys that are massive that have never taken anything over 600mg of anything. People I know personally. I know guys natural that are ****ing huge. Then there are guys who take massive dosages and don't look like anything with a shirt on them. Once your anabolic your just that.....anabolic. The rest is diet and training intensity. One of my closest friends has never used anything but 500mg of test. He's never tried any orals or any other compound and I wish that bastard would compete. One of the best physiques I've seen with tons of mass. So too me dosage has always been irrelevant. I'd rather do as little as possible so one vial last me 7-10 weeks rather then 3-5. Saves money and I have yet to stop growing.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

I don't believe there is any miracle cycle. All cycle success is determined by consistent diet of nutritional food, training intensity, and consistency. I know guys that are massive that have never taken anything over 600mg of anything. People I know personally. I know guys natural that are ****ing huge. Then there are guys who take massive dosages and don't look like anything with a shirt on them. Once your anabolic your just that.....anabolic. The rest is diet and training intensity. One of my closest friends has never used anything but 500mg of test. He's never tried any orals or any other compound and I wish that bastard would compete. One of the best physiques I've seen with tons of mass. So too me dosage has always been irrelevant. I'd rather do as little as possible so one vial last me 7-10 weeks rather then 3-5. Saves money and I have yet to stop growing.

UH dude you misunderstood me... was just pointing out that what works amazing for some is not universal to all [since you mentioned you were spreading your experience around a few forums.

I agree I want to use as little gear as possible to get best results. But what about my other questions about Tren, choice of mg dose and why when what?

 

[doyoulift]

I wouldn't doubt for a second that I could have misenterpreted what you said. If I at all came off as being rude or ignorant I apologize. That wasn't my intent too come off like that.

As far as tren goes I've used It 5 times. Always the acetate ester. I've never dosed is more then 350mg per week. I do every day injections. The first time I used it was on a test 300 deca 300 blast. I added it in at the end when I was dieting to see it's cosmetic effects and damn it helped a lot with leaning out. The nutrient partitioning with tren is crazy. I actually pulled labs from that blast and my igf-1 was through the roof and I've never used growth. Igf-1 is probably what helped lean me out.

The second time I used it was as a kickstart too a cycle just too do as an experiment. Only because when I take orals it flares up my Crohn's disease and screws up me eating all the meals I meal prepped. So I figured well let's try a kickstart with tren. It definitely worked haha as anyone would expect. Then the third time I used it for the last 6 weeks of a prep for a show. The last and only time ill run it that long. I can tolerate the sides for up too 4 weeks tops. I hate being angry inside. I control myself, but on the inside I'm flipping out on little ****. I'm not like that at all so it bothers me. The other two times was in the middle of a test deca blast when test and deca was peak levels. I noticed the cosmetic effect that tren gives but I didn't gain any faster then I was not adding it in. I was still gaining week by week though. I find it good as a kickstart so it can do a lot of it's own work then I'll let the longer esters do the work. With the others peaking already tren is mainly cosmetic for me. 350mg is my sweet spot. I don't dare do more.

Right now I call this blasts mock tren. The deca and EQ have me strong as hell and gaining more then any other blast too date so far. Adding in the masteron prop at 350mg 3 weeks ago gave me the tren look. So I got the mass building effect from the other two and the cosmetic effect from the masteron. Masteron gave me a pretty good boost I'm strength and my sex drive too. I love tren and I'll always use it on and off but I'm liking this mock tren blast as I like to call it, and I love not being angry all the time. Tren does make me hornier then any other aas though.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

What weight hight age are you? and for your stats what would be the most EQ&Deca without test that you think would be effective without hitting the point of deminishing returns IE. You can use a ton of Primo 2gr+ and Alot of EQ maybe 1.4 gr before you see a slow in your increase as apposed to say Mast where you will start seeing very little increase over 800mg

 

[doyoulift]

I'm 23 5"6" and the heaviest I weighed was 195. I was massive at that weight. I told myself if I could look like lee labrada I'd be happy as hell. He only weighed 170 when he competed. The one year he admitted to using steroids he weighed 180. But strange enough he beat lee Haney I'm the pre judging when he was at 170. The only one too ever beat lee Haney at all.

After I got up too 195 lean as **** is when I did my show. Just a small local show to test the waters I dieted down too 189. So I didnt have too lose much weight. I didn't use diuretics or clen. I won my class but placed second in the overall.

Then fast forward 5-6 months and I got extremely I'll. After another 6months I finally got diagnosed with Crohn's disease and reiters disease (reactive arthritis) which cause me too lose a little over 25 pounds. I was like 168 after those six months of being undiagnosed. Now I'm fighting like hell to get my weight back up. I'm currently on temporary disability. My C-reactive protein is always through the roof so my total body inflamation is pretty high. It effects my balance, my joints, and gives me chronic sore throats which I despise. It drives me insane. The Crohn's I can control if I eat clean whole foods. I can't eat anything processed. Just water, chicken breast, steal, hamburger, pork, rice, and oatmeal for my carbs. It sucks but being sick and not able too eat at all sucks more.

 

[ymalleb]

interesting....according to dr tony huge or actually another dr that he interviewed via phone says no test should be taken with deca. any amount of test taken with deca just amplifys side effects. google enhanced athlete deca only cycle, there are 2 great videos on this topic.

what kills me are the people that say you cant take deca by itself, well how many have tried it? it was big in the 70s!

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

interesting....according to dr tony huge or actually another dr that he interviewed via phone says no test should be taken with deca. any amount of test taken with deca just amplifys side effects. google enhanced athlete deca only cycle, there are 2 great videos on this topic.

what kills me are the people that say you cant take deca by itself, well how many have tried it? it was big in the 70s!

I'm really glad you mentioned that because this was definitely big in the 70's. I'm too young to know what made ppl go towards higher Test usually 2:1 to deca. There was a thread on here where a source had this customer that wanted to stop his TRT and go on deca only. It was debated for a while without a great conclusion. I'd like to hear any vets that know much about it.

 

[doyoulift]

interesting....according to dr tony huge or actually another dr that he interviewed via phone says no test should be taken with deca. any amount of test taken with deca just amplifys side effects. google enhanced athlete deca only cycle, there are 2 great videos on this topic.

what kills me are the people that say you cant take deca by itself, well how many have tried it? it was big in the 70s!

Yea way too many people say what not do withou ever having tried it themselves. The science even shows that deca doesn't raise prolactin. If you have elevated estrogen you'll have elevated prolactin. Dbol has done this too me an dbol is not a 19nor. Deca can increase progesterone which doesn't cause gyno. What progesterone does is make your estrogen receptors more sensitive so a normal range of estrogen can be enough to cause the gland to grow. That's why so many say when they add deca they get gyno. It's because they are on test too which aromarises and I almost guarantee that everyone who uses gear isnt keeping their estradiol in the 15-20 pg/dl range. They may be in the labcorp range of normal but that doesn't mean just because it's in range that it isn't high enough to cause gyno. Too many people change their compounds from cycle to cycle ad change their dosages for me to believe that they know what ai dosage they need to stay in range. Everytime you change dose or compounds they all aromatize at different rates. No one ai protocol will keep them in normal range with their aas protocol changing. Sorry I haven't been around too reply I've been sick as hell the past month.