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Is it bad to run after you lift? Someone told me today that if you run after you lift it breaks down your muscles.
Can you expand on this? It was suggested in another thread but what is the benefit in n00b terms.Drink Xtend during cardio
I might give this theory a go. I also found that nutraplanet has BCAAs for a little cheaper too on here. Is it true too much L glutamine can be hazardous?Basically when doing cardio or lifting weights, your body goes into a catabolic rate. Depending on ur heartrate you can enter fat burning mode or just lose muscle.
Logic behind BCAA's during workouts is for your body to feed off of the BCAA's and not touch muscle or go into a catabolic rate. I myself know a big difference from using Xtend to not. My recovery skyrocketed as well as me being alot leaner than usual. Not bloat that i got from just drinking water.
There will be some people who contest the use of BCAA's and functions of the body but it comes down to when ur body is being "pushed" cortisol levels go up.
YOUR comment is asinine!COMMON sense dictates that if you lift for 45-60 min,and do cardio balls to the walls DIRECTLY after lifting for longer than 20 minutes,it's counterproductive to say the least.You are wrong!..I'm sure you are one of those individuals who CLAIMS they lift for 2-3 hours also,and don't become catabolic then either!To summarize....Lift 45-60 min.Keep cardio within a 15-20 minute window 3 times a week to AVOID muscle lost,and to keep your MOST important muscle healthy..your heart.I am a huge fan of running after lifting. Saying that a certain rate or time is going to make you catabolic is asinine. I have done cardio after lifting for years without loss in LBM or strength. Nutrition determines your anabolic state more than anything.
Say you're saying this essentially:YOUR comment is asinine!COMMON sense dictates that if you lift for 45-60 min,and do cardio balls to the walls DIRECTLY after lifting for longer than 20 minutes,it's counterproductive to say the least.You are wrong!..I'm sure you are one of those individuals who CLAIMS they lift for 2-3 hours also,and don't become catabolic then either!To summarize....Lift 45-60 min.Keep cardio within a 15-20 minute window 3 times a week to AVOID muscle lost,and to keep your MOST important muscle healthy..your heart.
2000 kcal surplus and intense cardio.WHY??? Most people either do one or the other depending on goals.The obvious cal increase while cycling or the "skinny" guy who can't seem to gain.Google catabolic.You're embarrassing yourself and giving out misguided info.....Let me guess.You stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night? 8,000+ post an you DON'T understand the human body why/when it becomes catabolic?Anyone who is serious about weight training is taught/learned from the very early stages what catabolism is.NO need to continue to argue the obvious.Say you're saying this essentially:
It doesn't matter if you are in a 2000 kcal surplus, if you perform intense cardio after lifting you will lose muscle.
Please, produce some sort of evidence for your claim outside of brotelligence.
Ummm... let's see.:thinking:2000 kcal surplus and intense cardio.WHY??? Most people either do one or the other depending on goals.The obvious cal increase while cycling or the "skinny" guy who can't seem to gain.Google catabolic.You're embarrassing yourself and giving out misguided info.....Let me guess.You stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night? 8,000+ post an you DON'T understand the human body why/when it becomes catabolic?Anyone who is serious about weight training is taught/learned from the very early stages what catabolism is.NO need to continue to argue the obvious.
You DON'T deal in hypotheticals where catabolism/cortisol are concern slim.You deal with COMMON sense.Lift hard and then go balls to the wall for an extended amount of time w/cardio and wonder why you are losing valuable muscle mass,but do what you like by all means.We all know what happens when one "assumes" don't we? Doesn't take a fancy B.S. degree to figure that out.Cardio has it's place in every w/o regimen,but you can preach until alabama wins another national title,let me forewarn you...it may be a WHILE!But if common sense doesn't prevail,you will be left wondering why you CAN'T retain muscle mass,because you chose to ignore the obvious:wave2:Ummm... let's see.:thinking:
Rodja: B.S. Exercise and Sports Science (M.Ed. in Sports Science/Nutrition inprogress), NSCA-CPT, Pro MMA
You: An obvious inability to understand hypotheticals, sarcasm, or proper grammar/punctuation.
Yeah... I'm gonna go with Rodja on this one, and assume he's familiar with catabolism.
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Grammar courses are COMMON... even at Chapel Hill.You DON'T deal in hypotheticals where catabolism/cortisol are concern slim.You deal with COMMON sense.Lift hard and then go balls to the wall for an extended amount of time w/cardio and wonder why you are losing valuable muscle mass,but do what you like by all means.We all know what happens when one "assumes" don't we? Doesn't take a fancy B.S. degree to figure that out.Cardio has it's place in every w/o regimen,but you can preach until alabama wins another national title,let me forewarn you...it may be a WHILE!But if common sense doesn't prevail,you will be left wondering why you CAN'T retain muscle mass,because you chose to ignore the obvious:wave2:
Actually, you're an idiot!Grammar courses are COMMON... even at Chapel Hill.
Today I did cardio for exactly 21 minutes after lifting.
I'm catabolic.
You're a genius.
Good night. :sleeping:
I know, man... I know.:27:I couldn't get into Duke.:17:
Drink Xtend during your workouts too!Drink Xtend during cardio
Let me put it this way then:
Substrate preference is based upon 1 thing: RER (if you don't know what that is, then you should just google it). The higher the RER, the higher % of substrate comes from glucose/glycogen. However, although the load may be the same (e.g. 6 MPH), the metabolic response may vary immensely.
For example: I can reach steady-state aerobics at around 10 MPH, so 6 MPH is a "slow" speed for me. However, another person may reach steady-state aerobics at around 7 MPH. In this instance, my V02 at 6 MPH is much, much different than the other person. You cannot apply a universal speed/rate to anyone because V02 is different depending upon age, gender, mass, CV condition, etc.
Or another way: a 200-lb person lifts for 60 minutes, which equates to ~1000kcal expended, and then performs steady-state cardio at ~85% of V02max for 30 minutes, which equates to ~500kcal expended. After calculating his BMR, GA, TEF, and PA, his TDEE is 4500 kcals, but his TDEI is 5000kcals (this assumes proper amount feedings and macro split). Given this scenario, the person is in a caloric surplus, which equates to an anabolic state.
Diet is the most important determinant of everything when it comes to bodybuilding, powerlifting, or athletic performance.
Also, still waiting for some of that evidence...[/QU You can preach all that "look at me nerd-geek" science as you wish jr,but the TYPICAL individual DOESN'T lift/train with a 2000kcal surplus.Therefore, COMMON sense will once AGAIN dictate that if you lift/train over an hour and spend over 20 minutes doing cardio at a high rate of speed, you WILL LOSE/BURN muscle mass.There is your evidence.Common sense is not geek science.
Apparently, you missed my entire point about how speed is a relative number. I guess FLEX needs to be amended so you don't sound so ignorant and dogmatic.You can preach all that "look at me nerd-geek" science as you wish jr,but the TYPICAL individual DOESN'T lift/train with a 2000kcal surplus.Therefore, COMMON sense will once AGAIN dictate that if you lift/train over an hour and spend over 20 minutes doing cardio at a high rate of speed, you WILL LOSE/BURN muscle mass.There is your evidence.Common sense is not geek science.Let me put it this way then:
Substrate preference is based upon 1 thing: RER (if you don't know what that is, then you should just google it). The higher the RER, the higher % of substrate comes from glucose/glycogen. However, although the load may be the same (e.g. 6 MPH), the metabolic response may vary immensely.
For example: I can reach steady-state aerobics at around 10 MPH, so 6 MPH is a "slow" speed for me. However, another person may reach steady-state aerobics at around 7 MPH. In this instance, my V02 at 6 MPH is much, much different than the other person. You cannot apply a universal speed/rate to anyone because V02 is different depending upon age, gender, mass, CV condition, etc.
Or another way: a 200-lb person lifts for 60 minutes, which equates to ~1000kcal expended, and then performs steady-state cardio at ~85% of V02max for 30 minutes, which equates to ~500kcal expended. After calculating his BMR, GA, TEF, and PA, his TDEE is 4500 kcals, but his TDEI is 5000kcals (this assumes proper amount feedings and macro split). Given this scenario, the person is in a caloric surplus, which equates to an anabolic state.
Diet is the most important determinant of everything when it comes to bodybuilding, powerlifting, or athletic performance.
Also, still waiting for some of that evidence...
Another good idea is to eat red potatoes for breakfast. They're alkalinic, moderate-GI, decent fiber source, and full of potassium.I do too. Feels better that way instead of feeling all tight all over my muscles and driving home nearly killing people. I'd rather kill people with better reflexes.
Banana sounds pretty sweet. No cramping with those? Seem pretty light for a snack which would keep you from getting nauseous.
good stuff haha thats the only thing i understood from all your posts rodja.. but im pretty sure the other stuff u said was beneficial too :006:Another good idea is to eat red potatoes for breakfast. They're alkalinic, moderate-GI, decent fiber source, and full of potassium.
Still NOT impressed with your "look at me" copy&paste mentality.Also training on an empty stomach is a GREAT idea if one is trying to lose weight genius.One other thing.I'll gladly put my numbers up against yours any day kid! It be a bitch to get smoked by someone 20 yrs. older than you.You keep reading your "geek" books and trying to impress,I'll keep pumping iron smart guy!Apparently, you missed my entire point about how speed is a relative number. I guess FLEX needs to be amended so you don't sound so ignorant and dogmatic.
Also, I just posted all of the science needed to completely disprove your argument and all you did was throw out your opinion on the topic instead. Most lifters/athletes have a significant amount of glcyogen stored within their liver, myocytes, etc, in addition to having higher amount of IMTG. Unless you are training on an empty stomach (already a bad idea), your body will be fueled to handle the loads from your training session. Outside of caloric deprivation and poor nutrition, the 2 most likely sources of substrate will be your IMTG ("the athletes paradox") followed by glucose, then glycogen. If you have somehow managed to burn all of those reserves, then your nutrition is inadequate.
But, I guess geek-science is completely wrong and you are a deity when it comes to S&C.
Copy and paste? You are one sad person to think that. All I did was recite basic undergrad exercise physiology while you've said nothing of relevance. Also, when I said training, you made the horrible assumption that I was speaking of just cardio-only. I was referring to the session that is in question, which is cardio after lifting.Still NOT impressed with your "look at me" copy&paste mentality.Also training on an empty stomach is a GREAT idea if one is trying to lose weight genius.One other thing.I'll gladly put my numbers up against yours any day kid! It be a bitch to get smoked by someone 20 yrs. older than you.You keep reading your "geek" books and trying to impress,I'll keep pumping iron smart guy!
Did I hit a nerve smarty guy? Wanna discuss Einstein's theory of relativity next?Get over yourself.I'm NOT impressed!Copy and paste? You are one sad person to think that. All I did was recite basic undergrad exercise physiology while you've said nothing of relevance. Also, when I said training, you made the horrible assumption that I was speaking of just cardio-only. I was referring to the session that is in question, which is cardio after lifting.
Then, again, you're so afraid of catabolism that you'd recite dogmatic, outdated information from the 1980's. Ironic when you think about it since you have so much time on your hands to actually read about this subject...
I just enjoy watching your matador act.Did I hit a nerve smarty guy? Wanna discuss Einstein's theory of relativity next?Get over yourself.I'm NOT impressed!
There's a lot of truth to that.Going to the Gym is easier than running. I think people find ways to say running is bad or cataolic so they dont have to do it. Thats the cynic in me.
NO kind of aerobic activity is bad UNLESS you fall outside the window of limitations.You WILL definitely become catabolic then.Whether it's 1989 or 2009.Going to the Gym is easier than running. I think people find ways to say running is bad or cataolic so they dont have to do it. Thats the cynic in me.
Please, just stop. You're making no positive contribution to this thread.NO kind of aerobic activity is bad UNLESS you fall outside the window of limitations.You WILL definitely become catabolic then.Whether it's 1989 or 2009.
Unlike you...giving out misguided info.Gotcha Albert!Please, just stop. You're making no positive contribution to this thread.
Still waiting for you to disprove me with something other than, "What I had heard was..."Unlike you...giving out misguided info.Gotcha Albert!
Your futile attempt at sarcasm is just that.Futile.Keep reading your books and utilizing your "copy&paste" skills.May wanna spend a little more time in the gym their genius,rather than on an internet discussion board giving out bogus info. and trying to impress people.Still waiting for you to disprove me with something other than, "What I had heard was..."
I would love for you to actually say that to his face...Your futile attempt at sarcasm is just that.Futile.Keep reading your books and utilizing your "copy&paste" skills.May wanna spend a little more time in the gym their genius,rather than on an internet discussion board giving out bogus info. and trying to impress people.
Btw..is that you in your avatar? If so,I'll stop picking on you.Not a fair fight.Skinny boy! Pick up a dumbbell or two ever once in a while.You know... the pink ones in the gym!
So it's NOT you! That implies to me you are GAY! Even worse.I'm picking on a "queen." Most heterosexuals will have a female,or at worst a pic of themselves in their avatar.Explains why your thong is twisted!Thanks for clearing that up.For once I agree with you Alice.I would love for you to actually say that to his face...
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