Primordial Performance's Liver Juice with Bloodwork!

[bulldogz]

First off, shout out to Primordial Performance and Jim aka Jimbo15 from PP for the opportunity to log their Liver Juice

I had the opportunity to try out Primordial Performance's liver juice and get bloodwork at the same time. I also wanted to mention my recent cycle consisted of AX Phera / AX Superdrol for 5 weeks, bridged at the 3rd week. The cycle started on 11/15/09 and my last dose was on 12/19/09. My cycle before this was back in late 2006 into 2007, it consisted of the same exact compounds and same outline.

I’ve attached a few PDF files (bloodwork) on the bottom of this post as reference to show my liver values since mid February 2009. I did take Fish Oil, L-Carnitine, CoQ10, BCAA, Multi Vit, Whey, EC x 3 ed back in late August 2009 for about 1 month, but I highly doubt these did anything to effect my liver values. The milk thistle I was running was bought at Walmart and it was the Spring Valley Milk Thistle at 1000mg per cap. I was taking 2 caps of milk thistle everyday right before bed, 2g total per day.

Lastly, it took me awhile to post this since I had some running around in gathering all this bloodwork from my docs...but I hope this helps!

2.13.09 - liver values
AST 62 - range 17-59 (high)
ALT 63 - range 21-72 (in range, but in other test this 63 level would be considered high, so I consider this a high level)

6.17.09 - liver values
AST 84 - range 10-40 (high)
ALT 73 - range 9-60 (high)

10.21.09 PDF file - liver values (little over 3 weeks before start of cycle)
AST 69 - range 15-46 (high)
ALT 70 - range 7-58 (high)

11/15/09 - 12/19/10 Cycle protocol:
Phera: 30/30/20/0/0
SD: 0/0/10/20/20

PCT started on 12/20/09 until 1/23/10 - 5 weeks

Bloodwork on 12/28/09 - 9 days after last dose of cycle and 8 days into pct
AST 88 - range 10-40 (high)
ALT 91 - range 9-60 (high)

I took 2 types of liver protectant, liv52 and milk thistle on cycle, while in pct and beyond. My liver protectant protocol in pct was, liv52 (2 tabs 3x ed, 6 total tabs ed) and 3 caps (3g) ed of milk thistle before bed as well as 100mg of CoQ10 ed.

Liv52, milk thistle and coq10 were taken up until 2/4/10 before taking liver juice. I had liver juice on hand but wanted to get the 2/4/10 bloodwork to show the before aspect without liver juice in my system.

2/4/10, 2/4/10, blood drawn which was about 7 weeks after my last dose of SD, 2.4.10 PDF file attached for reference…my liver values were still high 2wks after my pct.

2.4.10 PDF file - liver values
AST 67 - range 0-40 (high)
ALT 64 - range 0-55 (high)
I stopped taking all other liver protectants on 2/4/10 and started on the liver juice on 2/15/10, again liver juice only as of 2/15/10 and no other liver protectants while running liver juice.

2/15/10 - Liver Juice protocol: 10ml everyday - 5ml at 9am and 5ml right before bed, usually around 11pm.

My next and last bloodwork was taken on 2/25/10.…2.25.10 PDF file attached for reference

2.25.10 PDF file - liver values
AST 52 - range 10-40 (high)
ALT 53 - range 9-60 (in range)

The 2/25/10 date marks the 11th days on liver juice and my liver values were lowered significantly from previous blood test, both AST and ALT levels were the lowest I have even seen. I should have done more bloodwork at the end of liver juice, but I just got too busy to take the time to run another blood test and just used the 2/25/10 test my doc requested…but my guess would be since I ran liver juice for the full 25 days @ 10ml ed which would have been an additional 14 days my values would have all been well in range.

Me likes Liver Juice! :thumbsup:

 

[Steveoph]

Well it certainly is nice to have some data. Thank you. Regarding you "high" AST, different lab values have different ranges and the ALT reference range has nothing to do with the AST range so don't use it for comparison.

Also your referance ranges changed every blood test it seems; were the blood work done at different labs? The problem with this is that there is variability within testing locations. I do agree there seems to be a promising benefit shown by Liver Juice and I think it's a great product.

I was wondering if you would mind sharing your alcohol consumption? Your AST of 82 in June of last year seems high and was wondering if you consumer a fair bit of alcohol. If so, has the quantity decreased lately? Might be a confounding factor.

 

[bulldogz]

Well it certainly is nice to have some data. Thank you. Regarding you "high" AST, different lab values have different ranges and the ALT reference range has nothing to do with the AST range so don't use it for comparison.

Also your referance ranges changed every blood test it seems; were the blood work done at different labs? The problem with this is that there is variability within testing locations. I do agree there seems to be a promising benefit shown by Liver Juice and I think it's a great product.

I was wondering if you would mind sharing your alcohol consumption? Your AST of 82 in June of last year seems high and was wondering if you consumer a fair bit of alcohol. If so, has the quantity decreased lately? Might be a confounding factor.

As far as the lab which withdrew the blood, yes they are different labs, but I think that Quest Diagnostics did the 1st and 3rd one...LabCorp did the second one, but they all have roughly the same ranges for LFT's.

I don't drink that much...if anything I would have a few drinks on the weekends but nothing crazy (I don't get drunk or want to get drunk when I drink). It has nothing to do with my alcohol consumption...I have a condition that's called sarcoidosis in which it effects some of my organ and it seems to effect my liver values, many liver test were takin a few years ago and even last year to rule out disease and/or infection.

 

[soontobbeast]

so you were taking 100mg/ed of regular coq10? or 100mg of ubiquinol coq10?


if you were taking ubquinol, it would have helped you greatly i believe. ive read in life extension ubiquinol coq10 increases blood plasma levels by someting like 600 or 800% more than regular coq10.

people were getting off of dialysis after 6 weeks of using 150mg/ed of ubiquinol.

just a heads up.