This is off topic but in your Triazole review I think you said that you had abnormally high LH and low T. This would indicate a problem with the testicles. If that's the case you aren't going to have much luck with these types of supplements in regards to elevating T levels. You might want to investigate it further.
I'd be careful there: these companies know they are selling to critical and clued up people: thus they make the 'science' of their products sound very plausible. I have a Bachelor in biomedical science majoring in molecular biology and I'm doing postgrad medicine, I've worked in research labs, and I personally still find that supplements which are useless sound scientifically 'sound' when you read about them, because the marketers employ very smart people to make it sound that way
While I think it's good to be critical, like you are, you should also be wary of assuming a supplement will work because it sounds like it has a good scientific principle: if it isn't backed up by human RCTs then it aint got ****.
only 60 grams? bro you need at least 80 kg per hr
VERY well said mate!How many people here watch those stupid ab swing pro commercials or the like where they dazzle the world with how just swinging away for 15 minutes a day will 'shred kilos and give you a rock hard six pack'?
We all laugh because it's so ridiculous to us, who know that weight loss is diet, and getting a six pack is diet again, and certainly not easy.
But really, most of the supps that bodybuilder aspirants take are exactly the same as the ab swing pro: they don't deliver what you hope they will, and if they do, its due to confounding factors such as, and most importantly, the hard training and dieting you were doing along with the supplement. Placebo effect at best- you work out a little harder due to the added perception of reward to effort the supp is giving you. The reason why these supplements aren't viewed with the same disdain as the ab swing pro is that they are marketed differently. Ab swing pro is marketed at couch potatoes who don't know a thing about fitness: and it sells for that reason.
Bodybuilding supps are marketed toward people with nutritional knowledge and training knowledge, so they slap impressive labels on, doctor some lab results and add intense chemical names and throw in some top notch broscience and recruit sponsors. But in reality, it's just more spin aimed at a more specialized group.
And just like fitness pros who laugh at couch potatoes buying the ab swing pro, so do scientists, doctors and most especially, research companies and supp industries, except this time at the fitness freaks who think their buying the latest way to naturally lean out or bulk up or recomp, where in reality they are buying a placebo effect, which should not cost so much
Not to say no supps work: some supps have a place in adding that 5% like others have said. But really on that note, anyone who says a supp has added 5% to their results must be pretty precise with their measurements, because a +/- 5% tolerance for results which are sometimes as small as a few lbs of fat or muscle, is pretty darn hard to judge
Stick with the staples (or go to proven compounds like aas or ph), and invest the rest back into the training and diet. My opinion anyways
So did you have blood tests before taking them that showed you had high estrogen? Both of them work to boost testosterone by lowering estrogen. If you had low estrogen to start with, they wouldn't changer things much
The one thing I agree about most on this thread,,, and my biggest criticism of a lot of people is for not doing pre and post labs,,, let alone mid cycle labs,,, I prepaid for three labs prior to my current cycle,, did a pre with my doc,, gonna do two midway and a post lab with privatemdlabs.com
On an 18 week cycle ... so basically one every 6 weeks
WOULDNT TOUCH pink magic based on its name alone.......sounds like a candy bar or a girls comicSo wait, hold on a second, does that mean Pink Magic doesn't work? That freakin teenage sales guy at *** told me if I take 12 pink pills a day, for 7 days, cycle off for 5 hours, and stack it with Tribulus; I'll be freaking huge in 8 days. Darn liar....
I do have my staples though
My girlfriend has some pink magic!! I eat it daily!!
So essentially, you feel that PWOs and fat burners work to elevate your heart rate and get you amped. Lol
Yep, I get raging blood flow pumps when I eat a girl's pink magic as well. I had this Brazillian chick once and I.....wait, sorry, wrong thread...
:laughing:
On the contrary, she was hairless, with a phat p**sy...
So she watched u get phuked in da azz by a tranny?
ditto, what the hell happened here?
Right. Guess the recover pro thread is hilarious
No, that topic was always a humor topic, this was a really good solid serious topic. Time and place kinda thing, at least imo. I don't see anything wrong with humor but when you start talking about sexcapades and ripped down panties on average I'm going to unsub, I don't think the topic needs to go away, just not stuff I want to talk about in a serious thread. Also don't think saying P**** is a great thing to have in a topic as it pushes that offensive line.Right. Guess the recover pro thread is hilarious
That could happen on any thread...
just joking, but I agree a bit, we could've gotten out of hand. I have to remind you in today's day and age no place is really safe, especially online, next time I'm writing a post I think of you and remember to show some respect.I didn't have blood work done before. I remember them mentioning lowering estrogen but neither product claimed that was their only function. They both claimed to boost T in three ways.
Pre-workouts and fat-burners definitely ramp up the heartrate, no doubt. They definitely give you more energy to workout. Whether fat-burners are actually burning fat is another question. Even if they are, I don't like the thought of manipulating my CNS on a regular basis. Whether "the pump" from NO2 products actually means better gains is debatable. Not sure about creatine. I seem to feel better immediately upon ingesting it, which doesn't make a lot of sense and suggests placebo. I do work out harder with it, but I've have heard some reputable lifters say it doesn't effect anything but your mind. The more I think about this stuff, "supps that work as opposed to placebos" is almost a chicken or the egg type of argument.
For me, the issue is not whether supplements actually work or not. They obviously do something. But whether or not Formestane or DAA or Tocophenols actually do something beneficial isn't the question or problem. The issue is industry honesty. Most companies are out to get a quick buck and often times underdose the product or in some of the most unethical companies - all of it is bunk.
I prefer DMAA
You get energy from a thermo?
I smooth it out by popping valumes...
So if I am taking creatine, fish oil, cissus, protein, and a non stim fat burner, my test booster log holds no water? And because my test booster log also has an intra and pre workout associated.....I assume you're going to tell me those results are skewed too?
Yup
Oh I thought the Universal product was
Are they sponsors here?Oh I thought the Universal product was
Not yet
I think they used to be. They won't be coming back if I remember correctly.
Serious? What happened?
Their stuff sucked
I beg to differ.Their stuff sucked
