The only side effects are positive ones, like it keeps more hair on your head big time. Athletix division one is the cheapest price for a quality product, but you can go get some random nettle extract product and take your chances...I'd buy from a reputable company though since you are dealing with an extract. I usually take a few weeks to a month off of it every 3 months or so....and also I change up formulas/companies to keep it fresh that way....
That's not what I'm saying. I don't know anything about those supplements. What I was asking for was more information. Are these OTC supplements that are easy to get?
Nettle is an anti-inflammatory by nature, but the leaf and root focus on different areas. If you go and just buy nettle, the leaf is great for allergies, congestion, and general pain relief when it is in a cream or ointment. Nettle root is used for prostate and raising free test. You would be interested in the root for the purposes of this thread.
I was under the impression that if it is an extract, that it is an extract of the root....but I could be wrong. In other words, if you see "extract" on the label you are dealing with a root.
They are all available at nutraplanet or any online supplement shop, and division 1 and DAA are dirt cheap actually. The bad part is that similar to TRT, you need to keep taking them in order to maintain the increased test/free test levels....taking time off of course, but unless you use clomid, I doubt these OTC supps will raise your test/free test levels on a permanent basis....clomid may not either, but it has a much better success rate.
Sounds good. What have you used personally, kisaj? What positive effects have you seen or felt after/during taking it?
If you are staying on for the long haul (life essentially) then go for it, no problems. Its people that don't need it with 500-600 levels naturally that we are advising against.....not people who are 35 plus and have abused their system
"those people" can benefit greatly from TRT.
My favorite it the once per month 100mg injection protocol
That one takes the cake, its even worse than 200mg per 2 weeks. And the sad part is that your doctor is the one suggesting this stuff to you....
Correct in most cases I believe. There will always be some people more prone to estrogen sides and they may benefit, but I really disagree with the practice of making it part of the treatment off the bat. If anything, try an OTC like Erase or Formeron if there is a concern and see if that addresses it before the scripts.
Well, if you do plan to have a baby soon, don't go on test and try the clomid route. You can still have kids, but it takes time to build yourself back up. If cyp is your only option, then plan to take HCG to help keep your boys awake.
I can get Erase from the local health shop. Is it possible for Erase to be effective while on Test Cyp or does it depend on the dosage of Test Cyp?
Can HCG be taken regularly with Test Cyp or should it be taken from time to time? I really appreciate all of the response. Good knowledge for me.
Yes, it can be taken as part of your protocol, but I am the wrong person to comment further about HCG. I hate the stuff and think the sides outweigh the pros.
Ok, thanks. What sides did you experience?
even low dose or androgel, that being said I am sensitive to anything that aromatizes.
200mg per week is neither low dose nor TRT ....it is a mini cycle...it is.low dose for a cycle...but not low dose in regards to erase vs rx AI's.
You should know your body by now and it's tendency with estrogen...but if not you have to either play it by ear and have an AI ready to go...or just run a basic low dose of AI sparingly during the run.
As long as you understand that 200mg a week is a low cycle and not TRT, the approach it that way. Erase won't do anything at that level and several people on here have run bloods to prove that. You will want to be prepared with a Transdermal AI, or try to obtain a low dose script for an AI. You may or may not need it, because that is tweener dose and you may not face e2 sides. However, if you do, you sure as hell will want to combat that because it sucks and will ruin what you are trying to accomplish.
That is ludicrous that a doctor would prescribe testosterone without the plan of a long-term therapy. That goes back to what I was saying earlier that many doctors think exogenous testosterone will "supplement" your endogenous levels which in fact does the opposite. Sounds like that is what this guy/gal is trying to do. If you don't plan on TRT, than just save it like you said for a cycle, however I would try to bump the dose a little bit.
No, I understand and have already called your doctor an idiot several times in nicer words. I've covered how to approach this if you are having an issue and want help. I also explained options of what to do with the little vial you have. I even told you what to expect with taking it.
You'll have to forgive me if I forget some of the things we've already discussed in the past. I agree that I don't think my doctor has any idea about how exogenous Test works. When I went back to him last week, I told him that I had been researching and found out that 1 shot per month will only do good the first 7-8 days, then it was downhill from there. That's when he said: "Well, that's when most people might do more frequent injections. So you can if you need to." I told him that my prescription may run out early if I do that and he said to just call back in and he'll send out a refill.
What is your opinion on doing a 3-4 week cycle of Finaflex 1-AD vs. what I am planning to do with Test?
I have a few concerns with doing that much:
lol I was getting frustrated as well.....but i was too lazy to spell it all out like you did
1. 1 vial isn't enough for that high of a dose for longer than a couple weeks
Coming from someone who has experienced all of these things and is now a TRT patient, I can tell u that u dont need TRT or ph's. Run peptides and clomid to get what u want. Take lots of proven supplements, do regular csrdio and train hard with the above suggestions and u'll have what u want.
HAHAH WTF 250mgs EW is a normal TRT dose.. Nebido is a monthly test injection and it is 1,000mgs
250ew is not normal at all. That will push you far outside of any normal range. Try closer to 100mg ew. Keep in mind that you naturally produce around 7-10mg a day.
Yeah this is true. However, we tend to forget that 30% of the injection is esther weight, not actual T. So 250mg X .7 = 175mg. 175/7 = 25mg per day. Still a crap ton for a doctor to have piece of mind about, imo.
Oh my bad, I was always under the impression that sust 250 was designed for a once a week TRT dose
I wish my clinic would adopt that impression...