Potassium Nitrate

[aaronuconn]

I’m wondering, what the average “life” is of KNO3 when taken before a w/o, i.e., how long will the effect of induced vascularity with KNO3 last after an hour's w/o? Thanks.

There's too many factors involved to give an accurate number of minutes or hours that one will look "pumped" after a workout.

 

[aaronuconn]

If you're talking half-life though, I believe it's around 5 hours - however someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that one.

 

[AndroRage]

Without a doubt, unquestionably, hands down, YES.

Are you still running it at 2 caps or have you upped it? Enhanced benefit in doing so?

 

[kisaj]

I have found that 2 caps is my sweet spot. I have tried 3 caps running it different ways (3 at once, 2 and then 1 mid workout, 2 and then 1 after) and it is just too much for me. The first time I was a little lightheaded, the second time was during squats and the pump was too much. My knee caps felt like they were going to pop off because my quads were just exploding and I couldn't get into the hole far enough for a full ROM. I take this for performance and not the pump- but that is a nice bonus.

 

[Jram1]

If you're talking half-life though, I believe it's around 5 hours - however someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that one.

Hey aaronuconn;

Sorry, half-life is what I meant.
I had heard that it is five hours, but was not sure. Thanks.

 

[kisaj]

Can a rep or someone knowledgeable on the topic let me know if it is possible that PN has any effect on mood? Since I have been taking this in combination with Agmatine, I have been really mellow and in a good way. It has made me very calm and agmatine was already working in this fashion, but I notice it much more since adding the PN.

 

[Beau]

Can a rep or someone knowledgeable on the topic let me know if it is possible that PN has any effect on mood? Since I have been taking this in combination with Agmatine, I have been really mellow and in a good way. It has made me very calm and agmatine was already working in this fashion, but I notice it much more since adding the PN.

Is it possible that it is just the nootropic effect of the Agmatine, or is it materially different than what it was previously?

As to any nootropic synergism between Agmatine and PN, I can't say/don't know.

 

[kisaj]

That's what I am trying to figure out, but the information seems to be lacking. I take agmatine for this effect, but it has really become pronounced since adding in the PN. I wasn't sure if there was some known synergy outside of the physical aspects.

 

[VaughnTrue]

That's what I am trying to figure out, but the information seems to be lacking. I take agmatine for this effect, but it has really become pronounced since adding in the PN. I wasn't sure if there was some known synergy outside of the physical aspects.

I'm not aware of any nootropic benefits to it, but glad to hear your stack is working well.

 

[kisaj]

Cool, thanks for the feedback.

 

[criticalbench]

I'm not aware of any nootropic benefits to it, but glad to hear your stack is working well.

Agreed.. not something I have heard of either... but glad you are enjoying!!

Mike

 

[aaronuconn]

I'm not aware of any nootropic benefits to it, but glad to hear your stack is working well.

This. Agmatine may possess nootropic-like properties but haven't heard about this for PN.

 

[tyrub42]

Yeah, your brand is the one I bought and I read everything you guys posted. I am going to give this bottle a shot and watch it closely to see if there are any sides that I don't like.

Just start with one pill and then work your way up to whatever your maximum dosage is. Too much will work too well, drop your blood pressure, and leave you feeling awful (which is what happened when I started at the max dose...like an idiot). Some people are fine with one, some like two, and others like 3 or 4. With nitrates, you have to start low. They work great, though.

 

[kisaj]

You must have missed most of this thread because we are way beyond that point. PN is the best performance supplement I have ever laid my hands on.

 

[tyrub42]

You must have missed most of this thread because we are way beyond that point. PN is the best performance supplement I have ever laid my hands on.

Haha my bad man, I think I was posting while waiting in line on my phone and didn't read past first page. Glad you like it so much though!

 

[UncleWade]

Speaking of the nootropic properties of agmatine, I've never experienced them - but I've never dosed it consistently (or used it in its GDA capacity often either).

I'll have to break out my 50g tub from iForce and play around with it again.

 

[kisaj]

I'm actually embarrassed that I didn't think of it, but shortly after I started PN, I ran out of agmatine and bought a different brand. With PN not having any nootropic properties and there being a significant difference in my calmness and general well being, broscience tells me that there is a quality difference in the agmatine brands.

 

[Young Gotti]

I'm actually embarrassed that I didn't think of it, but shortly after I started PN, I ran out of agmatine and bought a different brand. With PN not having any nootropic properties and there being a significant difference in my calmness and general well being, broscience tells me that there is a quality difference in the agmatine brands.

your last comment is what i have experienced with agmatine in the past....some companies agmatine seem to work better than others, probably a quality issue

then again i'm in the minority and don't get much in terms of pumps from agmatine but still use it for all the other benefits it offers

 

[kisaj]

Same here on both counts. For me, that is a good thing because pumps have always seemed to hinder my workouts. For me, the mental aspect is by far the best part about agmatine and think that people may not realize it is why they like it so much since they concentrate on the pump so much.

 

[rphash49]

That's what I am trying to figure out, but the information seems to be lacking. I take agmatine for this effect, but it has really become pronounced since adding in the PN. I wasn't sure if there was some known synergy outside of the physical aspects.

So are you only dosing PN and agmatine pre workout? nothing else like a stim preworkout supp, etc?

 

[kisaj]

No, never a stim. I like to be calm and focused and not buzzing around.

 

[rphash49]

No, never a stim. I like to be calm and focused and not buzzing around.

Ok so just Agmatine and PN. I ask because I'm going to try it today

 

[kisaj]

Yes, I workout in the morning so my typical routine is to take 1g Agmatine, 2 caps of PN, 1 tbs fish oil, and RR with a glass of OJ. Then I have 2-3 slices of peanut butter and honey toast with a big glass of milk.

 

[rphash49]

I see a PN, anabeta and ARA stack in my future.

 

[Attila de Hun]

For the blood pressure benifits of PN, would i just take space them throughout the day? Anyone have experience with this

 

[tinytony]

For the blood pressure benifits of PN, would i just take space them throughout the day? Anyone have experience with this

Nitrates stay active for hours. I'm betting 2 doses per day would be fine. I only dose nitrates once per day and my blood pressure has been perfect on cycle

 

[PuZo]

For the blood pressure benifits of PN, would i just take space them throughout the day? Anyone have experience with this

If 2 is enough for you pre-wo then ya splitting it should be fine.

 

[bakerwil]

I see a PN, anabeta and ARA stack in my future.

I dropped PN during my current ABE/ARA run as I am using GMS with the ARA. I have an unreal pump as is - almost too much sometimes. And it's a break from PN. Let me know how it goes though!

 

[criticalbench]

For the blood pressure benifits of PN, would i just take space them throughout the day? Anyone have experience with this

The only way to tell will be by monitoring your blood pressure and seeing how long the effects last. I wouldn't just play around with popping pills if you seriously have high blood pressure. Buy a montior for $50 and test it out.

Mike

 

[them]

Who has dabbled with nitrates and viagra/cialis here?

 

[VaughnTrue]

Who has dabbled with nitrates and viagra/cialis here?

I strongly advise against it.

 

[Beau]

Who has dabbled with nitrates and viagra/cialis here?

Just say "no"

 

[criticalbench]

Who has dabbled with nitrates and viagra/cialis here?

Cialis and viagra are nitrates.. so anyone using them is dabbling with nitrates. I would not stack two nitrates together though. Viagra hits hard, and cialis not so much, but it lasts for up to 36 hours.

Mike

 

[mr.cooper69]

Cialis and viagra are nitrates.. so anyone using them is dabbling with nitrates. I would not stack two nitrates together though. Viagra hits hard, and cialis not so much, but it lasts for up to 36 hours.

Mike

Cialis and viagra are not nitrates, they are PDE5 inhibitors

 

[them]

All supps are nitrates!!

Or is it all nitrates are supps?

 

[Jram1]

For the blood pressure benifits of PN, would i just take space them throughout the day? Anyone have experience with this

I take 50mg 1xd of a prescribed med known as Losartan for hypertension (my doc says I get po’d easily). A 90 day supply runs about $162.00 and that’s generic. Would PN be just as effective? Also it may be more cost effective. It seems that both would block angiotensin or a vasoconstrictive condition. I don’t know what the “half-life” of Losartan is but, PN has about a 5 hour “half-life” per serving.

Losartan is comprised of a Potassium Salt and PN a Crystalline Salt. Is there a significant difference between the two?

I’m thinking of asking my MD about this at my next physical; however, he may say no to PN possibly because he probably may get a cut of the prescribed meds. Comments?

 

[Beau]

I take 50mg 1xd of a prescribed med known as Losartan for hypertension (my doc says I get po’d easily). A 90 day supply runs about $162.00 and that’s generic. Would PN be just as effective? Also it may be more cost effective. It seems that both would block angiotensin or a vasoconstrictive condition. I don’t know what the “half-life” of Losartan is but, PN has about a 5 hour “half-life” per serving.

Losartan is comprised of a Potassium Salt and PN a Crystalline Salt. Is there a significant difference between the two?

I’m thinking of asking my MD about this at my next physical; however, he may say no to PN possibly because he probably may get a cut of the prescribed meds. Comments?

Just my thought: The MD will probably not advocate use of anything that has not been extensively tested on double blind studies and that has a long term history of proven use, because of he is part of that alternative treatment - he may have some liability.

I would look for studies on PN use that may have been done.

Do I think it would work; yes - but I am just some guy that posts on the internet who has used PN - that hardly qualifies me.d

 

[VaughnTrue]

Cialis and viagra are not nitrates, they are PDE5 inhibitors

correct. very different things Mike. That still doesn't mean they should be used in conjunction however.

 

[Big_Spaz]

Exactly. Doctors aren't going to advise you taking supplements, especially nitrates which they fully don't understand.

So I would just be smart about it and gauge things yourself. If you use Viagra.Cialis, I wouldn't take nitrates on the days were you take those. And if you have high blood pressure, I would monitor it closely while taking supplements. You just have to be smart about it. Not saying you need to be a doctor, but at the same time you probably know your body better than anyone else does.





-Spaz

 

[AnabolicHolic]

Exactly. Doctors aren't going to advise you taking supplements, especially nitrates which they fully don't understand.

So I would just be smart about it and gauge things yourself. If you use Viagra.Cialis, I wouldn't take nitrates on the days were you take those. And if you have high blood pressure, I would monitor it closely while taking supplements. You just have to be smart about it. Not saying you need to be a doctor, but at the same time you probably know your body better than anyone else does.

-Spaz

Also they don't get the prescription kickback where the office and the big pharm company make $$$....they can't profit if you are spending your medication money at np or gnc

 

[mr.cooper69]

Exactly. Doctors aren't going to advise you taking supplements, especially nitrates which they fully don't understand.

So I would just be smart about it and gauge things yourself. If you use Viagra.Cialis, I wouldn't take nitrates on the days were you take those. And if you have high blood pressure, I would monitor it closely while taking supplements. You just have to be smart about it. Not saying you need to be a doctor, but at the same time you probably know your body better than anyone else does.





-Spaz

Doctors don't fully understand nitrates? Is this some sort of joke?

 

[Jram1]

Just my thought: The MD will probably not advocate use of anything that has not been extensively tested on double blind studies and that has a long term history of proven use, because of he is part of that alternative treatment - he may have some liability.

I would look for studies on PN use that may have been done.

Do I think it would work; yes - but I am just some guy that posts on the internet who has used PN - that hardly qualifies me.d

Thanks Beau. Makes sense.

 

[them]

Doctors don't fully understand nitrates? Is this some sort of joke?

Not really. I wouldn't trust your average doctor if I was inquiring about the use of cialis and food nitrates. Before I wrote my question I actually found an online doctor response saying that he thinks it's fine to drink beet juice and cialis. It really depends on the amount of beet juice someone has per day right, but he did not qualify his answer, nor probably researched it prior.

Doctors will know a so called catch phrase, don't mix boner pills with nitro type drugs. In regards to food nitrates some will say it's fine, and some will say avoid.

The study I posted in the other nitrate thread had patients loading on 7 days cialis, 20mg per day. Then they introduced a normal dose of nitroglycerin to see what happened to the BP. The abstract results seem pretty tame.

Anyway I have more trust in a reputable rep like yourself cooper, than the average Dr I may encounter in day to day life.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Not really. I wouldn't trust your average doctor if I was inquiring about the use of cialis and food nitrates. Before I wrote my question I actually found an online doctor response saying that he thinks it's fine to drink beet juice and cialis. It really depends on the amount of beet juice someone has per day right, but he did not qualify his answer, nor probably researched it prior.

Doctors will know a so called catch phrase, don't mix boner pills with TNT type drugs. In regards to food nitrates some will say it's fine, and some will say avoid.

The study I posted in the other nitrate thread had patients loading on 7 days cialis, 20mg per day. Then they introduced a normal dose of nitroglycerin to see what happened to the BP. The abstract results seem pretty tame.

Anyway I have more trust in a reputable rep like yourself cooper, than the average Dr I may encounter in day to day life.

Doctors are very well-educated in the pharmacology of nitrates, since they are routinely prescribed as patches for angina. I'm not speaking out of my ass: it is a huge emphasis even in medical school. I appreciate the kind words though.

ADRs (adverse drug reactions) generally won't show up in a simple study. FDA guidelines are built on decades of data acquired across the nation. What they assess is not danger but rather cost:benefit. If another drug exists for _____ purpose, then nitrates will be contraindicated with PDE5 inhibitors. If the patient has no other drug option (rare), then the two may be co-administered in a supervised fashion (known as therapeutic drug monitoring).

I guess what set me off about that post was that doctors would run circles around the iforce rep on the topic of nitrates, and yet he's trying to make it seem like his advice (given in the quoted post) is more valuable/accurate. I wouldn't pretend to be able to school an engineer in his craft, and neither should big spaz

 

[fightbackhxc]

Doctors are very well-educated in the pharmacology of nitrates, since they are routinely prescribed as patches for angina. I'm not speaking out of my ass: it is a huge emphasis even in medical school. I appreciate the kind words though.

ADRs (adverse drug reactions) generally won't show up in a simple study. FDA guidelines are built on decades of data acquired across the nation. What they assess is not danger but rather cost:benefit. If another drug exists for _____ purpose, then nitrates will be contraindicated with PDE5 inhibitors. If the patient has no other drug option (rare), then the two may be co-administered in a supervised fashion (known as therapeutic drug monitoring).

I guess what set me off about that post was that doctors would run circles around the iforce rep on the topic of nitrates, and yet he's trying to make it seem like his advice (given in the quoted post) is more valuable/accurate. I wouldn't pretend to be able to school an engineer in his craft, and neither should big spaz

the FDA should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[them]

the FDA should be taken with a grain of salt.

This fits in well with current hypertension guidelines

 

[Young Gotti]

the FDA should be taken with a grain of salt.

haha yep the fda is a joke...just like dr's they'll take money when someone gives it to them to say whatever the ppl providing the money wants them to say

 

[mr.cooper69]

Lol, alright whatever

 

[Piston Honda]

Not really. I wouldn't trust your average doctor if I was inquiring about the use of cialis and food nitrates... I have more trust in a reputable rep like yourself cooper, than the average Dr I may encounter in day to day life.

I trust you Cooper, until you finish med school. Then I will no longer trust you. Unless you become a better than average doctor.

 

[thedarce]