Peptide 185

[SwoleNation]

By MuscleTech

PEPTIDE-185 · MuscleTech

research-grade anabolic peptide The master key to Unequivocal, mind-blowing muscle Gains! Exclusive formula 60% More Anabolic than Leucine Boosts Muscle Protein Synthesis by 159% Enhances muscle repair and recovery Buy Now research-grade anabolic peptide The master key to Unequivocal...

www.muscletech.com

Thoughts?

 

[Jstrong20]

Looked to see if I could find diluceine as powder for sale and came a crossed this. https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2021/08/11/Start-up-s-revolutionary-dileucine-outperforms-leucine-for-muscle-building

So I'd imagine muscletech just bought the ingredient from them

 

[djbombsquad]

How is it any better than leucine peptides from protein factory and from metabolic nutrition

 

[djbombsquad]

Looked to see if I could find diluceine as powder for sale and came a crossed this. https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2021/08/11/Start-up-s-revolutionary-dileucine-outperforms-leucine-for-muscle-building

So I'd imagine muscletech just bought the ingredient from them

Shane does a interview with muscle tech on stacked 3d

 

[AndrewMcD]

Looks really interesting. From the same supplier that developed paraxanthine and brought it to market.

Price point is too high though. Would definitly try for $59, maybe even $69, but $89 is crazy.

 

[djbombsquad]

Looks really interesting. From the same supplier that developed paraxanthine and brought it to market.

Price point is too high though. Would definitly try for $59, maybe even $69, but $89 is crazy.

Protein factory already has bcaa and leucine peptides and bpi sports also has amino peptides as well as metabolic precision has peptides that I currently use .

 

[AndrewMcD]

Protein factory already has bcaa and leucine peptides and bpi sports also has amino peptides as well as metabolic precision has peptides that I currently use .

Do they have any clinical studies to back them up?

 

[Smont]

By MuscleTech

PEPTIDE-185 · MuscleTech

research-grade anabolic peptide The master key to Unequivocal, mind-blowing muscle Gains! Exclusive formula 60% More Anabolic than Leucine Boosts Muscle Protein Synthesis by 159% Enhances muscle repair and recovery Buy Now research-grade anabolic peptide The master key to Unequivocal...

www.muscletech.com

Thoughts?

A much better question would be what are you expecting out of it.

 

[djbombsquad]

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Do they have any clinical studies to back them up?

Galambia does

 

[Jstrong20]

A much better question would be what are you expecting out of it.

well for 89$ it better give gains of one vial of trestolone acetate or two vials of test. Lol because I can do either and have money left over in some cases.

 

[Jstrong20]

Some of these supps are getting crazy expensive. Even stuff like vitargo are nuts. Weird when your carb, aminos, and hydrolyzed protein bill is more then the gear you buy. Ha

 

[Smont]

well for 89$ it better give gains of one vial of trestolone acetate or two vials of test. Lol because I can do either and have money left over in some cases.

That was kinda my point. No matter what a supplement is, i feel like creatine level should be the most you expect out of a natural prodduct geared at building muscle, strength and recovery. Of course There are some very comprehensive products for various different things that are gonna be expensive. But I don't think this product fits the bill.

Also to your other post, my intra workout mix of a boatload of aminos with some creatine and glutamine costs me a solid 120$ month. And those are just basic supplements nothing fancy, Add another sixty bucks for my vitamins and im 200 month.

I don't do a lot of protein powder. One jug usually lasts me about a month. Because I only use it in a pinch order to make deserts. I've actually been thinking about doing more for convenience. But price wise, I'd rather go to costco and get a three pound chicken everyday for $5

 

[GothamsReckoning]

That was kinda my point. No matter what a supplement is, i feel like creatine level should be the most you expect out of a natural prodduct geared at building muscle, strength and recovery. Of course There are some very comprehensive products for various different things that are gonna be expensive. But I don't think this product fits the bill.

Also to your other post, my intra workout mix of a boatload of aminos with some creatine and glutamine costs me a solid 120$ month. And those are just basic supplements nothing fancy, Add another sixty bucks for my vitamins and im 200 month.

I don't do a lot of protein powder. One jug usually lasts me about a month. Because I only use it in a pinch order to make deserts. I've actually been thinking about doing more for convenience. But price wise, I'd rather go to costco and get a three pound chicken everyday for $5

Last time I was at Costco they had Ascent whey isolate on sale for 43 bucks

 

[Smont]

Last time I was at Costco they had Ascent whey isolate on sale for 43 bucks

That dosent reqlly tell me anything, is it a 1lb, 2lb, 5lb, 10lb? $43 would be a great price for a 5lb jug. Ive also never heard of that brand. But, theres only a handfull of companies that supply whey to the supplement companies so the brand probably dosent matter. Also do they have flavor selections or just the standard choc or vanilla.

One thing i like to do is check ocean state job lot. I dont know if there a east coast thing or everywhere. But they get leftover stock for a lot of things in there store. Every once in a while you can find a high quilaty whey in a 18-25serv container for like $12 and 30gm whey protein bars for $1. But its far and few so il stock up when its something decent.

This one was $9.99, but.... i screwed up. I grabbed 4 and the first one was grass fed whey. The other three were vegan proteins and I didn't realize it. They are terrible tasting lol.

 

[Anabolic66]

Some of these supps are getting crazy expensive. Even stuff like vitargo are nuts. Weird when your carb, aminos, and hydrolyzed protein bill is more then the gear you buy. Ha

Its way more expensive (Supps).
My TRT bill was $75.00 for the year, 3 bottles. .5 cc a week (125 mg), one bottle lasts 20 weeks. (I'd get 3 - $25.00 each).

 

[Smont]

Its way more expensive (Supps).
My TRT bill was $75.00 for the year, 3 bottles. .5 cc a week (125 mg), one bottle lasts 20 weeks. (I'd get 3 - $25.00 each).

You're correct, But you're also comparing a perscription medication, possible covered by insurence, to a luxury item (supps)

 

[AndrewMcD]

You're correct, But you're also comparing a perscription medication, possible covered by insurence, to a luxury item (supps)

Not to mention a lot of people don't want to take gear or are too young for TRT.

 

[Smont]

Not to mention a lot of people don't want to take gear or are too young for TRT.

Thats kinda irrevelant

 

[Smont]

The reason I say it is because the two things have no correlation to each other. Supplements are not a alternitive to steroids

 

[djbombsquad]

Sold out but didn’t know stores sold it already

 

[N2ofusion]

That dosent reqlly tell me anything, is it a 1lb, 2lb, 5lb, 10lb? $43 would be a great price for a 5lb jug. Ive also never heard of that brand. But, theres only a handfull of companies that supply whey to the supplement companies so the brand probably dosent matter. Also do they have flavor selections or just the standard choc or vanilla.

One thing i like to do is check ocean state job lot. I dont know if there a east coast thing or everywhere. But they get leftover stock for a lot of things in there store. Every once in a while you can find a high quilaty whey in a 18-25serv container for like $12 and 30gm whey protein bars for $1. But its far and few so il stock up when its something decent.

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This one was $9.99, but.... i screwed up. I grabbed 4 and the first one was grass fed whey. The other three were vegan proteins and I didn't realize it. They are terrible tasting lol.

Ocean State is definitely a Northeast thing. When I lived in upstate NY I’d stock up on protein bars, some powders, and the occasional hardcore Pre for very cheap.

The rest of the country has similar stores but NONE that I’ve seen have a sports nutrition area like Ocean State Job Lot

 

[Madevilz]

Excited for the new science on dileucine, hoping to read some positive feedback but this looks like leukic all over again, overpriced stuff. Asked @sns8778 if he would release a dileucine product, didnt sound like it, looking for a more affordable alternative,

 

[Anabolic66]

You're correct, But you're also comparing a perscription medication, possible covered by insurence, to a luxury item (supps)

No, no insurance covered on mine...

 

[Anabolic66]

That dosent reqlly tell me anything, is it a 1lb, 2lb, 5lb, 10lb? $43 would be a great price for a 5lb jug. Ive also never heard of that brand. But, theres only a handfull of companies that supply whey to the supplement companies so the brand probably dosent matter. Also do they have flavor selections or just the standard choc or vanilla.

One thing i like to do is check ocean state job lot. I dont know if there a east coast thing or everywhere. But they get leftover stock for a lot of things in there store. Every once in a while you can find a high quilaty whey in a 18-25serv container for like $12 and 30gm whey protein bars for $1. But its far and few so il stock up when its something decent.

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This one was $9.99, but.... i screwed up. I grabbed 4 and the first one was grass fed whey. The other three were vegan proteins and I didn't realize it. They are terrible tasting lol.

The last Vanilla whey they (Ocean St) were getting (2 lbs of Isolate for 9.99) was awesome protein. I bought around 10 tubs in all.
But yes this Vegan stuff, I gave one a try (Strawberry) just horrible, medicine-like....

 

[sns8778]

Excited for the new science on dileucine, hoping to read some positive feedback but this looks like leukic all over again, overpriced stuff. Asked @sns8778 if he would release a dileucine product, didnt sound like it, looking for a more affordable alternative,

You won't find one bc Muscletech has the exclusive on this.

I'm honestly not excited about this bc it reminds me of past things they had exclusivity on - and I can't recall any of them turning out to be anything nearly as special as claimed to be. Examples that come to mind would be - LEUKIC (which the marketing reminds me so much of), GAKIC, and then just year before last, that Paraxanthine ingredient that was supposed to be the next big thing. With that, their exclusivity ended and you see hardly anyone using it or hardly any demand for it.

And this is coming from someone (me) that actually likes and respects Muscletech as a great marketing company. They do a great job of taking ingredients and sensationalizing them and making people believe the hype - they've been awesome at that since day one.

 

[Danes]

You won't find one bc Muscletech has the exclusive on this.

I'm honestly not excited about this bc it reminds me of past things they had exclusivity on - and I can't recall any of them turning out to be anything nearly as special as claimed to be. Examples that come to mind would be - LEUKIC (which the marketing reminds me so much of), GAKIC, and then just year before last, that Paraxanthine ingredient that was supposed to be the next big thing. With that, their exclusivity ended and you see hardly anyone using it or hardly any demand for it.

And this is coming from someone (me) that actually likes and respects Muscletech as a great marketing company. They do a great job of taking ingredients and sensationalizing them and making people believe the hype - they've been awesome at that since day one.

This!
Well said and 100% agreed
The study compared 2g Leucine with 2g Dileucine.
Maybe 4g-6g Leucine is even better and MUCH cheaper than 2g Dileucine.
I personaly believe that. This Dileucine seems like a desperate move by Muscletech

 

[Resolve10]

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Galambia does

Do you mean Glanbia? And when someone asks usually if you are actually aware of any studies linking them helps the person you are quoting out.

Excited for the new science on dileucine, hoping to read some positive feedback but this looks like leukic all over again, overpriced stuff. Asked @sns8778 if he would release a dileucine product, didnt sound like it, looking for a more affordable alternative,

Ya I think studying peptides like this is interesting and could find something one day, but this feels like MT is jumping the gun. There are 3(?) studies I’ve seen and they still feel like they are in the real preliminary stage. There is nothing wrong with them in general, but comparing versus 2g Leucine just feels a bit pointless given what we know about leucine at this point.

This!
Well said and 100% agreed
The study compared 2g Leucine with 2g Dileucine.
Maybe 4g-6g Leucine is even better and MUCH cheaper than 2g Dileucine.
I personaly believe that. This Dileucine seems like a desperate move by Muscletech

Ya exactly. Especially considering what we know about how a lot of studies on Leucine show the benefit when it’s making up for suboptimal overall protein content. Maybe some other peptides or even dileucine may have utility in certain populations, but doesn’t seem super relevant to lifters yet and even more so when you see that crazy price tag.

 

[Danes]

Do you mean Glanbia? And when someone asks usually if you are actually aware of any studies linking them helps the person you are quoting out.



Ya I think studying peptides like this is interesting and could find something one day, but this feels like MT is jumping the gun. There are 3(?) studies I’ve seen and they still feel like they are in the real preliminary stage. There is nothing wrong with them in general, but comparing versus 2g Leucine just feels a bit pointless given what we know about leucine at this point.



Ya exactly. Especially considering what we know about how a lot of studies on Leucine show the benefit when it’s making up for suboptimal overall protein content. Maybe some other peptides or even dileucine may have utility in certain populations, but doesn’t seem super relevant to lifters yet and even more so when you see that crazy price tag.

I can bet taking 3g Leucine to each meal will be cheaper and stimulate MPS than 2g Dileucine

 

[Resolve10]

I can bet taking 3g Leucine to each meal will be cheaper and stimulate MPS than 2g Dileucine

That’s kind of what I’m saying and for most people serious about diet and training that’s not even necessary because they eat enough protein with each meal anyways.

 

[Danes]

That’s kind of what I’m saying and for most people serious about diet and training that’s not even necessary because they eat enough protein with each meal anyways.

Absolutely

 

[Danes]

Examples that come to mind would be - LEUKIC (which the marketing reminds me so much of),
And this is coming from someone (me) that actually likes and respects Muscletech as a great marketing company. They do a great job of taking ingredients and sensationalizing them and making people believe the hype - they've been awesome at that since day one.

I will never forget the fairy tale from Muscletech on LEUKIC.
"MuscleTech claims that it is the only 100% anabolic compound available on the market"
"Leukic is said to stimulate your muscle growth and build permanent, dense muscle mass"

I would never buy Muscletech hype

 

[djbombsquad]

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Galambia does

 

[Resolve10]

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Thank you.