Nootropics/Supps for Stim breaks.

[ma70]

I think this might be a useful topic for those who have been on stims for a long time and want to take a break from them without suffering from performance decreasing. I've heard Rhodiola is something that helps with caffeine withdrawal symptoms. Any other things that might help cope with it?

 

[kisaj]

Rhodiola is great, as well as Schizandra, but those are not going to fall under noots. I prefer rhodiola as my PWO and also EGCG, but there will be trace amounts of caffeine in there.

 

[ma70]

Rhodiola is great, as well as Schizandra, but those are not going to fall under noots. I prefer rhodiola as my PWO and also EGCG, but there will be trace amounts of caffeine in there.

Oh, thanks for that. I guess noots can help substitute for stims though, like choline and ALCAR right?

 

[rtmilburn]

Oh, thanks for that. I guess noots can help substitute for stims though, like choline and ALCAR right?

I would go with adrenosurge. Its is designed to help people drastically lower their stim tolerance and reduce stim withdrawals. It has some great ingredients which helped me focus when i taking it. I loved it.

Also focus xt caffeine free version is pretty good.

 

[ma70]

I would go with adrenosurge. Its is designed to help people drastically lower their stim tolerance and reduce stim withdrawals. It has some great ingredients which helped me focus when i taking it. I loved it.

Also focus xt caffeine free version is pretty good.

I've used BPS adrenosurge, but this time, I'm trying to isolate the ingredients that actually help out specifically with this.

 

[rtmilburn]

I've used BPS adrenosurge, but this time, I'm trying to isolate the ingredients that actually help out specifically with this.

Ok. Then i would use something like alpha-gpc

 

[kisaj]

I am very familiar with alpha-GPC, so I am curious why you state this?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Rhodiola is great, as well as Schizandra, but those are not going to fall under noots. I prefer rhodiola as my PWO and also EGCG, but there will be trace amounts of caffeine in there.

Yeah, they're adaptogens, but they deserve a mention, and shouldn't really be excluded from this sort of discussion on a technicality. Maybe they don't have cognitive enhancing effects per se, but rhodiola has been shown in many studies to improve cognition and performance assuming the subjects are fatigued, which a great deal of people are a great deal of the time. Schizandra also has a lot of similar research, although it's almost all old Russian research that you can only find discussed in other papers/studies. Both are great supplements.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I've used BPS adrenosurge, but this time, I'm trying to isolate the ingredients that actually help out specifically with this.

I think that's a good idea. To be honest, I'm not a fan of Adrenosurge not using standardized % extracts for bacopa and ashwagandha. They're both such well researched supplements, and the vast majority of the studies use standardized % extracts. I know that some supplements (typically less common ones) can really only have x:1 ratio extracts, either because that's all the research specifies, or a standardized % extract would be insanely expensive, but bacopa and ashwagandha don't fit either of those categories.

 

[kisaj]

Yeah, they're adaptogens, but they deserve a mention, and shouldn't really be excluded from this sort of discussion on a technicality. Maybe they don't have cognitive enhancing effects per se, but rhodiola has been shown in many studies to improve cognition and performance assuming the subjects are fatigued, which a great deal of people are a great deal of the time. Schizandra also has a lot of similar research, although it's almost all old Russian research that you can only find discussed in other papers/studies. Both are great supplements.

Who is excluding them? Read up on my posts and you'd know I am one of the biggest supporters of adaptogens and noots alike on this board.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Who is excluding them? Read up on my posts and you'd know I am one of the biggest supporters of adaptogens and noots alike on this board.

My bad, I didn't intend it to sound like that. I just wanted to make it clear to anyone else reading this thread that just because they're not "nootropics" doesn't mean that they can't still improve cognitive performance. My comment wasn't really directed at you; I tried to use your post as just a lead-in to say the above.

 

[kisaj]

Gotcha, and my apologies for being defensive! And we agree with one another on the matter.

 

[ma70]

Yeah to be honest, I don't care much for classifications, haha. These kinds of supplements have always been on the sidelines for me because I've always been looking at all the new natural anabolics, etc. and after using Adrenosurge I realized that these adaptogens/whatevers made quality of life a lot better.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Gotcha, and my apologies for being defensive! And we agree with one another on the matter.

No problem, I wasn't very clear.