I don't understand why all you guys recommend tapering up on doses...it wont mitigate any sides that the individual is prone to...start the recommended or desired dose the first day and continue throughout the entire cycle...
running epistane/havoc for 4 weeks is a waste of money...run it for 8.
are you f*cking joking man? Thats possibly the most idiotic statement i've heard this week.
I shouldn't even waste time commenting, but...
20mg for me might be just as effective as 40mg for you....alot depends on bodyweight, receptors, blood pressure, gyno prone, etc... Why would you ever start out at 30/40mg per day if you've never ran the compound before? The blood levels are going to build up MUCH quicker and you may end up with much unwanted side effects and not know if its from the actual compound or too much of the compound!
I started Epi at 20mg for 2 week and had huge gains...when I bumped up to 40 (the idealistic sweet spot) I realized that it was the additional 10mgs that caused my higher blood pressure, cramps, water retention, and joint pain. I then determined that the sweet spot for me was simply 30mg.
Its imperative to start out low so that you can asses the side effects before increasing the product.
And as far as 4 weeks being a waste of money...well its a waste of money for people that don't know how to build muscle efficiently. I gained 16lbs on my first cycle and walked away with 12 solid lbs in only 31 days of use at 20/20/30/30.
IMO 8 weeks is a waste of money! First, its becomes compoundingly toxic to your liver each week on a methyl. Secondly, gains tend to taper after the 4th week. Third, you'll experience far more HPTA suppression which will yield far less retention of your gains and require a longer (more expensive) PCT with possibly more expensive consquences. You might gain an additional 4lbs during the second half of that 8 week cycle, but then you'll more than likely loose it in the end because of the shutdown you'll experience. Extending past the 5 week mark would only be worth it if you were on a testosterone base for a good while (12wks).
On top of all this, let me advise that I only used 10mg of SD for 7 days and had an ALT in the 600's. I would NEVER recommend ANY methyl for longer than 4-5weeks, without taking a break to let the liver detox.