Exact opposite. My body seems more virile than ever. Less stiffness. Less need for warm ups and stretching.
The exact opposite with my test subject. Anything else in the system at the time that might be causing this?Has anyone noticed an increase in stiffness? Seems to take a few extra minutes to warm up and joints seem to ache a bit more. Test subject is 3 weeks in.
Nothing at all. Possibly a side effect from water retention? Muscle recovery has noticeably increased as well as sleep...The exact opposite with my test subject. Anything else in the system at the time that might be causing this?
It's all water retention, brother. Intestinal growth due to IGF-1 elevation does not take place in 3-4 days, even if someone was using 1,000 iu of GH daily. In fact, intestinal growth occurs VERY slowly even when using massive dosages of GH and takes YEARS to develop. On top of that, one must be insulin resistant for this effect to fully manifest, as intestinal IGF-1 receptors only become over-sensitized to the effects of IGF-1 when the body is in an insulin resistant state. I've known many guys who have used 15-20 iu of GH/day for years and their waist never grew an inch (either did the rest of their body because they didn't know how to train or eat).OK, so I have stuck this out and within the past 3-4 days, I have upped my dose to 20mg/day (I was just taking 10) and I have also been using SlinMax. Lethargy did not make a notable change yet and actually feels OK, but the abdominal distention has been less than cool. I looked at myself in the mirror at work last night and thought that I was looking at my grandfather. The more disturbing thing is that I don't even have a grandfather...I do now and he lives in my mirror!
There is a theory I read elsewhere that gives explanation to the discrepancy in reports of abdominal distention. The theory is that each one of us has a different amount of IGF-1 receptors in our gut. The more you have...the more your belly distends.
This sounds legit to me, because I have been doing all of the recommendations to counteract the bloat. Baby aspirin, watching sodium intake, supplementing potassium, and drinking more water....it doesn't make a shyt of a difference..
I do have another brand coming any day now. I could not go with Somatozine because of my shift work as the melatonin would have been particularly tricky for me.
If you've noticed nothing it is not the fault of the product, as MK (and especially Somatozine) has gotten innumerable great reviews over the years.I originally thought it would be that simple haha
Some guys get hand numbness and others don't. It's very individual.Honestly I don't ever get numb hands. And I'm on 2iu GH and 25mg MK 677 right now. And no none of it is bunk
I got it maybe 3-5 times within the first 2 weeks only. On week 3 and have not gotten it.Some guys get hand numbness and others don't. It's very individual.
Yeah, I was not referring to intestinal growth...haha. Just stimulation of IGF-1 receptors in the gut, of which every person has a varied number of such receptors...per this theory. You know how stimulation of certain parts can make things seem bigger!It's all water retention, brother. Intestinal growth due to IGF-1 elevation does not take place in 3-4 days, even if someone was using 1,000 iu of GH daily. In fact, intestinal growth occurs VERY slowly even when using massive dosages of GH and takes YEARS to develop. On top of that, one must be insulin resistant for this effect to fully manifest, as intestinal IGF-1 receptors only become over-sensitized to the effects of IGF-1 when the body is in an insulin resistant state. I've known many guys who have used 15-20 iu of GH/day for years and their waist never grew an inch (either did the rest of their body because they didn't know how to train or eat).
Besides, GH induced stomach distension is rarely due to intestinal growth. The most prominent cause of stomach distension is visceral fat build-up due to insulin resistance is, which high-dose GH is well known to cause. This also takes years.
Intestinal growth is not an issue anyone needs to concern themselves with when using GH and especially MK-677 (Somatozine). Not only does MK-677 not cause clinical insulin resistance, but IGF-1 levels don't get anywhere near high enough to have a visible effect on intestinal growth. A bodybuilder would have to use massive dosages of GH, while remaining in an insulin resistant state, in order for intestinal growth to even start to become an issue.
This is why we often see retired pros (some of whom used 10-20 iu of GH for years) without any distension at all a few years after stopping bodybuilding. Everyone used to say Dorian's organs were enlarged from the massive GH use, but it was all bull****. His stomach is pretty darn flat now. The same thing will happen to Kai when he retires...and basically every other pro.
There are many potential causes of stomach distension, but organ growth is at the bottom of the list.
Yeah, my joints didn't feel good at all. I have ****ed up joints normally but they felt stiffer than ever on MK-677.Has anyone noticed an increase in stiffness? Seems to take a few extra minutes to warm up and joints seem to ache a bit more. Test subject is 3 weeks in.
YesWould this be good for a 34 year old
So many mixed reviews lol probably be beneficial at my age
User reviews are actually very lopsided in favor of MK, as the VAST majority of reviews have been very positive. Sure, there are some people who may not like certain aspects of the drug, such as its ability to increase appetite, etc...but when it comes to doing what it is supposed to do, the overwhelming majority have testified that MK did exactly that. There are literally 1000's of reviews all over the Net...and you will find that 98% of users say the drug performed according to expectations.So many mixed reviews lol probably be beneficial at my age
Wow that's crazy. I'm obsessed with the sleep I get. I even experimented dosing an hour before bed and right before bed and both gave me amazing sleep.its with much sadness I am stopping my MK 677 run. Many people have reportped better sleep with this GH secretagogue, but it has ****ed my sleep up so badly. Literally laying in bed for hours and not tired at all. Got about 2 hours of sleep last night. And while im not tired rn. I know this isnt good for me.
trust me, i am EXTREMELY upset with this. MK 677 seems like a game changer to me and I was really starting to feel a more swole pump in the gym and muscle hardness, but i just cant freaking sleep. Driving me crazy tbh. If this doesnt work i am going to cut out Magnitropin because around the same time i started taking that I began to have sleep issues as well but mk has seemed to make it worse. Ill report backWow that's crazy. I'm obsessed with the sleep I get. I even experimented dosing an hour before bed and right before bed and both gave me amazing sleep.
I had the same issue with it. It also made me hold so much water my hands doubled in size lolits with much sadness I am stopping my MK 677 run. Many people have reportped better sleep with this GH secretagogue, but it has ****ed my sleep up so badly. Literally laying in bed for hours and not tired at all. Got about 2 hours of sleep last night. And while im not tired rn. I know this isnt good for me.
Have you tried a non-addictive sleep aide like trazadone or even Kirklands' Sleep Aide (an OTC product)? Of course, there are many other options as well.trust me, i am EXTREMELY upset with this. MK 677 seems like a game changer to me and I was really starting to feel a more swole pump in the gym and muscle hardness, but i just cant freaking sleep. Driving me crazy tbh. If this doesnt work i am going to cut out Magnitropin because around the same time i started taking that I began to have sleep issues as well but mk has seemed to make it worse. Ill report back
amino PM by muscle elements at TWO Scoops. and absolutely NOTHING. Look up the blend that sleep aid is no joke. MK jusr had my mind so awakeHave you tried a non-addictive sleep aide like trazadone or even Kirklands' Sleep Aide (an OTC product)? Of course, there are many other options as well.
glad to know that im not the only oneI had the same issue with it. It also made me hold so much water my hands doubled in size lol
I can confirm Trazadone is awesome. I took it once for sleep and felt amazing the next day. It didn’t make me super tired, but It’s like as soon as my head hit the pillow I was out.Have you tried a non-addictive sleep aide like trazadone or even Kirklands' Sleep Aide (an OTC product)? Of course, there are many other options as well.
took a g of some pheni before work today for the anti anxiety effects due to lack of sleep yday. didnt know this was beneficial to aid in sleep as wellKirkland Sleep Aid works for me every time along with Nytol or Nyquil for USA.
1-2 grams of phenibut has also worked.
I forgot which kind you are taking, is it Somatozine? I only ask because of the melatonin content which can often have an adverse affect and keep people awake. I am one that does not respond all that favorably to melatonin at all.its with much sadness I am stopping my MK 677 run. Many people have reportped better sleep with this GH secretagogue, but it has ****ed my sleep up so badly. Literally laying in bed for hours and not tired at all. Got about 2 hours of sleep last night. And while im not tired rn. I know this isnt good for me.
I wonder if that's why it stopped working for me. I've tried low doses of melatonin (300 mcg) but not 2.5 mg like in the product. Had great sleep at first but then major insomnia for over a week. I just figured it was the Vitamin D (which I've read should be taken in the morning) since many have claimed it hurts their sleep if taken too close to bed. Significantly better sleep when I dropped it (and added magnesium/l-theanine in its place).I forgot which kind you are taking, is it Somatozine? I only ask because of the melatonin content which can often have an adverse affect and keep people awake. I am one that does not respond all that favorably to melatonin at all.
I have done time-released melatonin at low mcg dosage and it was still problematic for me.I wonder if that's why it stopped working for me. I've tried low doses of melatonin (300 mcg) but not 2.5 mg like in the product. Had great sleep at first but then major insomnia for over a week. I just figured it was the Vitamin D (which I've read should be taken in the morning) since many have claimed it hurts their sleep if taken too close to bed. Significantly better sleep when I dropped it (and added magnesium/l-theanine in its place).
Not somatozine... I am taking an MK only RC chemI forgot which kind you are taking, is it Somatozine? I only ask because of the melatonin content which can often have an adverse affect and keep people awake. I am one that does not respond all that favorably to melatonin at all.
Gotcha, well at least that eliminates one potential problem. On the other side of the coin, some melatonin could benefit you. Entirely depends upon the person.Not somatozine... I am taking an MK only RC chem
Neobolics.Any1 who can recommend a good Mk677 ONLY product?
Same thing happened to me with melatonin. Only reason I wouldn't order Somatizine. Wonder if Mike will eventually take melatonin out of the formula.I wonder if that's why it stopped working for me. I've tried low doses of melatonin (300 mcg) but not 2.5 mg like in the product. Had great sleep at first but then major insomnia for over a week. I just figured it was the Vitamin D (which I've read should be taken in the morning) since many have claimed it hurts their sleep if taken too close to bed. Significantly better sleep when I dropped it (and added magnesium/l-theanine in its place).
I asked him before and he did not sound very interested in producing a melatonin free version..Same thing happened to me with melatonin. Only reason I wouldn't order Somatizine. Wonder if Mike will eventually take melatonin out of the formula.
I'm sorry, but I am not going to remove it. I want to make you happy, but I need to take into consideration the majority when formulating products...and the only two people I have ever heard complain about the melatonin dose was you and Ricky10. That's a very low percentage.Same thing happened to me with melatonin. Only reason I wouldn't order Somatizine. Wonder if Mike will eventually take melatonin out of the formula.
This reason this happens to some people is because the brain is hit with a the full dose of melatonin all at once, which inevitably makes the brain think it is time to sleep. However, when it wears off 4-5 hours later the mind thinks it is being cued to wake up. This is what happens naturally every morning; our melatonin levels fall and cortisol levels rise, causing the mind to be placed in a more wakeful state. As part of the circadian rhythm this hormonal shift is usually stimulated by sunlight, but this shift--at least in part--can also be induced artificially, as explained above.I forgot which kind you are taking, is it Somatozine? I only ask because of the melatonin content which can often have an adverse affect and keep people awake. I am one that does not respond all that favorably to melatonin at all.
Mike Arnold can you comments on the above?Just watched a youtube video, by a guy name tood leed, saying the MK 677 does not has a half life of 24 hrs? What do you think? Mike Arnold
My sleep pattern is altered e.g. i sleep for one hour and wake more through night but i feel more recovered despite broken up pattern and keep having vivid dreams every time i go back to sleep.It’s doing great for me, but I can not do more than one per night. Get vivid dreams, but I have min 7 hrs sleep and no tv 1/2 hr before.
Science? Ok, so present the scientific evidence of the repairing effects of MK-677. Yes, there are anecdotal evidence of joint repair from GH, as there are equal amount of anecdotal evidence of joint pain and stiffness from GH. Does it increase collagen synthesis? Yes, but so does anabolic steroids. But I still haven´t seen a single study showing it´s strengthening effects on connective tissue.Any increased "stiffness" (another word for tightness) associated with MK is due to water retention...not joint problems. There is a similar effect with drugs like SD, Anadrol, injectable GH, and even insulin. All of these drugs make the body fuller and therefore tighter or "stiffer". MK can do the same, but it has nothing to do with the joint themselves.
MK actually helps improve joint health and lubrication. It does this by increasing IGF-1 and GH levels, which not only lubricates the joints through increased water levels, but by increasing collagen production, which is the primary building block of connective tissue.
There is no mechanism by which MK can damage the "joints". Furthermore, when people say "joints" I am assuming they are referring to their connective tissue and not their actual bones, as bone issues generally do not occur unless connective tissue has been destroyed (causing bone to rub on bone). MK (and injectable GH) has the opposite effect, enhancing connective tissue recovery, strength, and overall health. This is one of the main reason athletes use GH--to help prevent the wear and tear on connective tissue that occurs with high intensity sports, thereby allowing the athlete to stay in the game longer.
Not only has 99.9% of MK user feedback been positive in regards to joint health, but all the available clinical research shows only positive effects in this area. The two guys above are literally the only two people I have ever seen that have said something contradictory, but I think they are associating the tighter feeling MK provides with something negative, when it is not negative at all.
MK only helps joint integrity and health via increased IGF-1 and GH levels.
We need to look at science in combination with logical real-world experiences when drawing conclusions. Someone who infers that MK caused/contributed to their ACL tear, despite admittedly having dealt with "****ed up joints" for years (meaning they already had connective tissue damage), is a completely baseless accusation. Not only is there zero evidence that shows MK harms connective tissue, but we actually have an abundance of evidence which shows the exact opposite--that MK-677 HELPS repair-strengthen connective tissue. The logical conclusion? It's simple. This individual, as unfortunate as it is, finally tore his connective tissue after years of prior degeneration; a condition which he has readily admitted to having. The bottom line is that his ACL was already ****ed up and finally gave out. There is nothing that MK/GH could've done to help rectify this man's situation within such a short period of time...and it certainly didn't contribute to the problem.
I was gonna dose in the mornings if I ever decided to give it another try. I’ve seen that help a few people.No pain, I am in my 5 months, I also had trouble sleeping if dose before night, so I did use it for a while in the morning and went well, now I am back at night and it does not seem to affect my sleep. Body ache and joint pain are gone ! Great product
It stays active for about a day.Mike Arnold can you comments on the above?
Science? Ok, so present the scientific evidence of the repairing effects of MK-677. Yes, there are anecdotal evidence of joint repair from GH, as there are equal amount of anecdotal evidence of joint pain and stiffness from GH. Does it increase collagen synthesis? Yes, but so does anabolic steroids. But I still haven´t seen a single study showing it´s strengthening effects on connective tissue.
There is this 2013 study though:
J Bone Joint Surg Am. 2013 May 1;95(9):783-9. doi: 10.2106/JBJS.L.00222.
Human growth hormone may be detrimental when used to accelerate recovery from acute tendon-bone interface injuries.
Baumgarten KM1, Oliver HA, Foley J, Chen DG, Autenried P, Duan S, Heiser P.
By the way. My effed up joints are mostly due to plica syndrome, an abundance of joint tissue and has nothing to do with degeneration. My ligaments are strong as steel and have held up perfectly during decades of hockey, BJJ, MMA and powerlifting. There are 4 ligaments in the knee. I tore the "LCL, not the "ACL". Could it have been a coincidence? Maybe. But it definately raised my attention.
I hear you. I've been running for awhile now and I can't remember the last time I had a good nights sleep. Normally I go to bed around 11pm, fall asleep quite quickly, but then I'm awake-asleep-awake throughout the night.its with much sadness I am stopping my MK 677 run. Many people have reportped better sleep with this GH secretagogue, but it has ****ed my sleep up so badly. Literally laying in bed for hours and not tired at all. Got about 2 hours of sleep last night. And while im not tired rn. I know this isnt good for me.
my sleep has improved 1000000x since getting off. No bull****. Beyond relived i can ****ing sleep againI hear you. I've been running for awhile now and I can't remember the last time I had a good nights sleep. Normally I go to bed around 11pm, fall asleep quite quickly, but then I'm awake-asleep-awake throughout the night.