It's funny you guys mention mk and the eca stack. I found that to be one of the best way to counteract the sides. Baby aspirin twice a day is said to cut down on the water retention, which I found true, so the A in ECA works for that. The energy from EC definitely helped with lethargy. The appetite supression from the Ephedrine definitely helped with the excessive eating. The only issue I had was long term eca use with the raise in blood pressure from mk. For me I have found a need to cycle off both. For a while I was running mk indefinitely due to the studies and improvements in my skin, sleep and strentgh. The benefits kept improving. But once I came off and had a ton more energy I realized how much it was holding me back at times and how much I using stimulants to counteract it. I think mk is one of the best compounds for bodybuilding, dollar for dollar the most benefit over many others, especially for those who don't wanna do any pinning. Just be aware of the sides and try to mitigate them as best as possible, prefferably without using other drugs to do so.