MCCREW530 ginny pigs the new TD Ep1c from Olympus!

[McCrew530]

what would be the benefit of using both together, if the td is better?

Oral for pre workout TD for all day application

 

[thebigt]

Oral for pre workout TD for all day application

never occured to me that the effects would be fast enough to use as a pre-workout...i thought it took quite awhile to get effects from epicatechin

 

[McCrew530]

never occured to me that the effects would be fast enough to use as a pre-workout...i thought it took quite awhile to get effects from epicatechin

With the oral version i felt an increase in pumps when taken preworkout. With the TD version I have noticed an all day pump and some recomp effects. The main problem, from what I have read, with (-)epi is its short half life when taken orally. Now the Transdermal version doesnt increase the half life but what it does is give it a slower release, like dermacrine. So i figure that if you take the oral right before the workout, then apply the TD version right after the WO you would save the TD version from being rubbed off during the workout saving you money from not wasting the product and maximizing efficiency. But thats just my crazy brain at work i may be 100% wrong :blink:

 

[thebigt]

With the oral version i felt an increase in pumps when taken preworkout. With the TD version I have noticed an all day pump and some recomp effects. The main problem, from what I have read, with (-)epi is its short half life when taken orally. Now the Transdermal version doesnt increase the half life but what it does is give it a slower release, like dermacrine. So i figure that if you take the oral right before the workout, then apply the TD version right after the WO you would save the TD version from being rubbed off during the workout saving you money from not wasting the product and maximizing efficiency. But thats just my crazy brain at work i may be 100% wrong :blink:

if you feel the effects from taking it orally pre-workout then by all means do it that way!!!

i have never used epi, so i was just basing on what i have heard!!!

 

[bcazo]

With the oral version i felt an increase in pumps when taken preworkout. With the TD version I have noticed an all day pump and some recomp effects. The main problem, from what I have read, with (-)epi is its short half life when taken orally. Now the Transdermal version doesnt increase the half life but what it does is give it a slower release, like dermacrine. So i figure that if you take the oral right before the workout, then apply the TD version right after the WO you would save the TD version from being rubbed off during the workout saving you money from not wasting the product and maximizing efficiency. But thats just my crazy brain at work i may be 100% wrong :blink:

This is what everyone has said... I have yet to run it but it's in my near future for sure, I don't like to comment until I've done it myself.. Mccrew is a good guy so I take his word..

 

[Dma378]

With the oral version i felt an increase in pumps when taken preworkout. With the TD version I have noticed an all day pump and some recomp effects. The main problem, from what I have read, with (-)epi is its short half life when taken orally. Now the Transdermal version doesnt increase the half life but what it does is give it a slower release, like dermacrine. So i figure that if you take the oral right before the workout, then apply the TD version right after the WO you would save the TD version from being rubbed off during the workout saving you money from not wasting the product and maximizing efficiency. But thats just my crazy brain at work i may be 100% wrong :blink:

Science!!

 

[McCrew530]

if you feel the effects from taking it orally pre-workout then by all means do it that way!!!

i have never used epi, so i was just basing on what i have heard!!!

For sure and the thing with this product is I have come across people who are non responders. I am going to be interested to see what the MG per pump of this TD is.
Oh and I took your advice and ran Dermacrine and formabolic while taking osta and loved it thank you for the recommendation brother
:cheers:

 

[thebigt]

For sure and the thing with this product is I have come across people who are non responders. I am going to be interested to see what the MG per pump of this TD is.
Oh and I took your advice and ran Dermacrine and formabolic while taking osta and loved it thank you for the recommendation brother
:cheers:

one of my favorite combos...glad you liked it!!!

 

[McCrew530]

one of my favorite combos...glad you liked it!!!

I'll be buying a few bottles of topical forma for sure so I can have some in the future

 

[thebigt]

I'll be buying a few bottles of topical forma for sure so I can have some in the future

speaking of which, i need to do that too...i hear formestane products are going fast!!!

 

[Volvo140G]

speaking of which, i need to do that too...i hear formestane products are going fast!!!

Tbh its the banned product I'll miss the most, i'm fairly well stocked otherwise

 

[thebigt]

Tbh its the banned product I'll miss the most, i'm fairly well stocked otherwise

yeah, i don't do ph's due to liver issues, formestane will be dearly missed....

 

[McCrew530]

yeah, i don't do ph's due to liver issues, formestane will be dearly missed....

Ya I hear you im not really into the harsh compounds and I'm am super bummed that forma will be gone. We may still be able to find it in the overseas markets..

 

[Volvo140G]

Ya I hear you im not really into the harsh compounds and I'm am super bummed that forma will be gone. We may still be able to find it in the overseas markets..

If anyone wants to throw in on a kg I'm down, serious....

 

[puccah8808]

Why didn't I know about this log?!?! :'(


You look amazing!

 

[edje007]

Why didn't I know about this log?!?! :'(

You look amazing!

You are missing a few good logs...atleast one more. Lol

 

[puccah8808]

You are missing a few good logs...atleast one more. Lol

Lol, lead me to that log.

 

[wilbel]

Catching up on your log brother

 

[McCrew530]

Why didn't I know about this log?!?! :'(

You look amazing!

Because you don't stock me like you used to lol welcome in

 

[McCrew530]

Catching up on your log brother

Yo wilbel welcome brother. Im glad you made it over from pbb

 

[McCrew530]

Going golfing today but I'll still give a little update with some progression pics. I'm a bit more vascular in the biceps and the chest looks a tad Fuller stomach is looking a bit tighter but I'm eating in a bit of a surplus so I'm not that worried about it. I'm not a premadona who is scared of a little fat gain more weight = more muscles. Pics were taken this am no pump
On a side note I don't have a double chin lol its the angle

 

[wilbel]

Going golfing today but I'll still give a little update with some progression pics. I'm a bit more vascular in the biceps and the chest looks a tad Fuller stomach is looking a bit tighter but I'm eating in a bit of a surplus so I'm not that worried about it. I'm not a premadona who is scared of a little fat gain more weight = more muscles. Pics were taken this am no pump
On a side note I don't have a double chin lol its the angle

Looking really swole brother!

 

[Rocket3015]

Looking good Dude..................Can I throw in the Chinese Phone Book Joke ??

 

[McCrew530]

Here is some holiday beats for yall
[video=youtube;0kRAKXFrYQ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kRAKXFrYQ4[/video]
and one more for one of my favorite bands when I was a little punk rocker
[video=youtube;Xf6bvnImlTA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf6bvnImlTA[/video]

 

[McCrew530]

Looking good Dude..................Can I throw in the Chinese Phone Book Joke ??

Why because I have a lot of Wang? LOL!!!!!

 

[bcazo]

Looking thick my friend!!! Enjoy the links!!

 

[tyga tyga]

Why because I have a lot of Wang? LOL!!!!!

Boom

 

[wilbel]

Yo wilbel welcome brother. Im glad you made it over from pbb

I am glad to be here... there is much more action here than at PBB

 

[McCrew530]

I am glad to be here... there is much more action here than at PBB

Ya man its a good forum if you head over to the misc section you can Wilbel all you want LOL
(inside joke)

 

[McCrew530]

Looking thick my friend!!! Enjoy the links!!

Thanks brother!
Im glad you liked them I was in the Christmas spirit

 

[puccah8808]

Because you don't stock me like you used to lol welcome in

I'm always lurking!

 

[McCrew530]

I'm always lurking!

Lol you sexy little ninja you

 

[puccah8808]

Lol you sexy little ninja you

You're soooooo swolllllll!!!!! Geeeeeez, I can def tell you've been kicking ass in the gym!!!! You're looking amazing! Droooool****

 

[BigRed1974]

Looking jacked Brotha!!

 

[wilbel]

Ya man its a good forum if you head over to the misc section you can Wilbel all you want LOL
(inside joke)

nice!!! lol!!

 

[McCrew530]

You're soooooo swolllllll!!!!! Geeeeeez, I can def tell you've been kicking ass in the gym!!!! You're looking amazing! Droooool****

drool makes the tree grow...
If you know what I mean

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Good job so far mate, this stuff is looking the goods! My bottle has finally arrived, keep a look out for my log starting soon. Excited to see how yours pans out over the next couple of weeks.

 

[McCrew530]

Good job so far mate, this stuff is looking the goods! My bottle has finally arrived, keep a look out for my log starting soon. Excited to see how yours pans out over the next couple of weeks.

Link the log here so every one can follow. I think the larger the crowd the bigger the possibility that this beta test becomes a reality. And I think that this world be a hit

 

[puccah8808]

drool makes the tree grow... If you know what I mean

Trees, flowers, spit... Lol I'm corrupting your log!

 

[McCrew530]

Trees, flowers, spit... Lol I'm corrupting your log!

Lol its just a meeting of minds

 

[puccah8808]

Lol its just a meeting of minds

Great minds do think alike.

 

[bcazo]

Good job so far mate, this stuff is looking the goods! My bottle has finally arrived, keep a look out for my log starting soon. Excited to see how yours pans out over the next couple of weeks.

Nice definitely link is up!!

 

[McCrew530]

Great minds do think alike.

That we do.

 

[wilbel]

That we do.

Wilbeling I see....

 

[McCrew530]

Lower body today. I do want to note that my knees were unusually sore last night for some reason. I took a couple of Ibuprofen and they felt better but it was strange.

BW lunges 20 yards X2
20lb DBs Lunges 20Yards X2
50lb DBs Lunges 10 Yards X2
75lb DBs Lunges 5 Yards X2

Bulgarian Split Squats ( reps are pre leg both legs done in one set)
50lb DBs 10X2
65lb DBs 8X2
75lb DBS 5X2

Deadlifts
315X10X2
405X5X3

quad extensions
100 X20
160X15 Drop 100 X10
220X10 Drop 100X10
250X8 Drop 100X10
250X5 Drop 100X10

Seated Calve raises SS with BW single leg calf raises reps given are pre leg
180X15 SS 10X 2
200X15 SS 10X 1
250X10 SS 10X 2

Seated Calve 1 leg press alternating leg continuous sets
100X10X6
2 leg 310 Burn out Drop 220 Burn out 100 Burn out

Thoughts: Well I had some great veinage going on in the calves today I was rather stoked


Afternoon Jams
[video=youtube;LUc_jXBD9DU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUc_jXBD9DU[/video]

 

[bcazo]

How are the DOMS treating you?? Any change

 

[McCrew530]

Still rather sore the day after but I recover quickly

 

[eddieaz]

Keep busting it McCrew!! You are looking Swole, Bro!

 

[Rocket3015]

RIP IRONFLEX

I'm sure I missed this somewhere but what's the deal with IronFlex ?

 

[YouBet33]

RIP IRONFLEX I'm sure I missed this somewhere but what's the deal with IronFlex ?

agreed would also like to know!