MA Research Liquid clen

[50Magnum]

So I just started the liquid clen like 3 days ago; I dose clen usually after the pm like always after Hours after my caffeine dose just so I dont get too jittery. One thing I do realize about this clen is I'm taking 50mcg which is 1/4 of a ml and to be honest I can't fucking sleep literally till the next morning unless I take xanax or clonipins(similar to what I have to do when I was a kid partying on meth). Ive taken clen many times before; and the week before I was taking 40mcg a day even before bedtime(get the shakes and all) but I can sleep. I love MA research products; GW and their MK in caps were very good. But this clen I am literally scared of taking because the fact that I took a 50mcg dose on Sat around 6pm I couldnt go to sleep even at 6 am next day unless i took a xanax.

I've tried all types of clen, super clen, tabs, etc; all can sleep fine whatever dose I take; for some reason Mike Arnold's clen I just cant sleep and the shakes aren't too bad even; but its almost like I'm having bad insomnia when I dose it. Preworkout, ECA, clen tabs, and even cocaine(when I used to party) I can sleep right away, but for some reason this liquid clen keeps me the **** up; even when I dosed it at 3 30 yesterday on Sunday; at 1:30am I was still wide awake had to pop benadry(that didnt work) and I had to resort to xanax. I'm going to try taking it early in the morning to see how I feel at night time and if it will effect my sleep. I just hate being wide awake at 3-4am reminds me of days when I use to take meth/speed to party and then take clonis/benzos to knock out because of how I couldnt sleep; even adderall doesnt keep me up that late when I used to take it to study for exams at night.

 

[Carnivorecon]

Do you think it could be massively overdosed or a completely different compound?

 

[Jstrong20]

Only thing I could say is take in the am. It’s weird other clen didn’t do that to you. It’s known to do that. All products I’ve used from mike are good to go. Maybe try reducing the dose.

 

[redtrek]

It may very well be overdosed. But also maybe just much more effective in whatever suspension it's in. Tabs are all kinds of filler that might reduce efficacy.
Also, a little late, but I'd definitely recommend a pack of 1ml oral syringes or the "measuring device" sold on the site. Much easier to get the desired dosing.

 

[50Magnum]

It may very well be overdosed. But also maybe just much more effective in whatever suspension it's in. Tabs are all kinds of filler that might reduce efficacy.
Also, a little late, but I'd definitely recommend a pack of 1ml oral syringes or the "measuring device" sold on the site. Much easier to get the desired dosing.

The thing is first day I took it at 50mcg; I shook the bottle up cause it was in the cold in my mailbox for like an hr before i grabbed it. Took 50mcg at like 3pm; didnt really feel any shakes or anything; I did go out and got wasted that night and knocked out at like 2 am. Now Saturday day after; I took the dose at 50mcg at 6pm(I know late); went out for like a few drinks came back home to sleep; literally fucking staring at my ceiling till 6 am it was bad until I had some xanax left over and took a lil to knock out because I couldnt sleep. Sunday I took my dose at 4pm or so; just chilled all day; tried to go to bed early; took my benadryl at 10pm; literally staring at the wall again till 2 am couldnt knock out; so I took xanax again to knock out because it was super hard to sleep. Im not an avid xanax user; I only use it on times where I have a hard time sleeping while I am dieting; and thats like once in a while, but overall I usually knock out latest at 2 am latest. So I dunno man; like yea my heart was thumping hard on Sunday; but I wasnt really getting cramps or fidgeting too bad like I get with other clen brands or albuterol. Clen and albuterol makes me really shaky; with Mike's I dont get very shakey but I am very awake for some reason. I've taken clen before bed many times with benadryl without any issues knocking out; just this one seems like something is up or something is in it keeping me up.

 

[50Magnum]

So I'm making an update; literally couldnt fall asleep last night; heart was still thumping didnt take any of his clen yesterday; but his cardarine I've been dosing at 15mg a day. I can fall asleep on usually both products; but something is definitely; either the clen from MAreasrch is still in my system or something is up with the cardarine. Its to the point where its affecting my sleep and work; i dunno if its the clen or the cardarine, but I'm going to see how I feel by tomorrow by just dosing the cardarine by itself. I popped benadryl and melatonin and even mk677 last night couldnt fucking sleep something is definitely spiked with these products.

 

[redtrek]

Yeah, you should give it an extra day, since clen will build up in you system when taking it consecutive days

 

[Renew1]

@Mike Arnold

 

[TheVenom]

Id trust MA over 99 out of 100 other sarm/rc vendors i know of. Critically consider your variables

 

[Glockguy706]

Are you on any thing else? . When I am on tren I can take 3 sleeping pills and still be wide awake .

 

[Mike Arnold]

So I just started the liquid clen like 3 days ago; I dose clen usually after the pm like always after Hours after my caffeine dose just so I dont get too jittery. One thing I do realize about this clen is I'm taking 50mcg which is 1/4 of a ml and to be honest I can't fucking sleep literally till the next morning unless I take xanax or clonipins(similar to what I have to do when I was a kid partying on meth). Ive taken clen many times before; and the week before I was taking 40mcg a day even before bedtime(get the shakes and all) but I can sleep. I love MA research products; GW and their MK in caps were very good. But this clen I am literally scared of taking because the fact that I took a 50mcg dose on Sat around 6pm I couldnt go to sleep even at 6 am next day unless i took a xanax.

I've tried all types of clen, super clen, tabs, etc; all can sleep fine whatever dose I take; for some reason Mike Arnold's clen I just cant sleep and the shakes aren't too bad even; but its almost like I'm having bad insomnia when I dose it. Preworkout, ECA, clen tabs, and even cocaine(when I used to party) I can sleep right away, but for some reason this liquid clen keeps me the **** up; even when I dosed it at 3 30 yesterday on Sunday; at 1:30am I was still wide awake had to pop benadry(that didnt work) and I had to resort to xanax. I'm going to try taking it early in the morning to see how I feel at night time and if it will effect my sleep. I just hate being wide awake at 3-4am reminds me of days when I use to take meth/speed to party and then take clonis/benzos to knock out because of how I couldnt sleep; even adderall doesnt keep me up that late when I used to take it to study for exams at night.

Disclaimer: MA Research products are not intended for human/animal use, but in vitro research only. Any responses posted here should not be interpreted as a recommendation/approval of human/animal use, but should be viewed solely as an attempt to explain how the OP's problem has developed. MA Research products should never be misused.

The issue is that the product is properly dosed, unlike most other clen products out there. You see, many vendors purposely underdose their clen products, or, I should say, err on the side of caution by putting less than they think they need. Why? Because clen is more difficult to measure properly if you don't have the proper scales/machines. Remember, clen is dosed in "mcg" amounts, not "mg" amounts. This means that if someone doesn't have the proper scales/state of the art machines, it is easily possible to accidentally put 2X the proper dose of clen in each bottle/batch without even knowing it. Obviously, this could problematic, so many tend to err on the side of caution.

We see this same dosing problem with T3. While idividual harm generally isn't a concern with T3, the fact remains that it is still much more difficult to measure accurately than products dosed in mg amounts. Guys, remember, a "mcg" is only 1/1,000,000 of a gram (a millionth). That's VERY small, so it is literally impossible to visually distinguish a proper dose from a dose that is triple the proper amount, so if the vendors scales/machines are not as accurate as they should be (this requires pharm grade machines), there could/will be problems.

Sleeping issues are very common with clen, and while the OP says he has not experienced them before, the fact remains that it is common. I can assure the OP that there is nothing in this product outside of clen itself...at the proper doses. I have never received anything but awesome reviews on my clen...from everyone. I have quite a few pros who do research with my clen for that very reason. I have had this batch for many months now...with zero complaints (there never is).

 

[Mike Arnold]

It may very well be overdosed. But also maybe just much more effective in whatever suspension it's in. Tabs are all kinds of filler that might reduce efficacy.
Also, a little late, but I'd definitely recommend a pack of 1ml oral syringes or the "measuring device" sold on the site. Much easier to get the desired dosing.

Tabs are frequently HORRENDOUSLY improperly dosed, especially in the UGL world (the pharm world is usually fine). It requires state of the art (pharm-grade) machines in order to make a properly dose clean tablet...ad FEW UGL's have access to them. They are VERY expensive.

 

[Mike Arnold]

So I'm making an update; literally couldnt fall asleep last night; heart was still thumping didnt take any of his clen yesterday; but his cardarine I've been dosing at 15mg a day. I can fall asleep on usually both products; but something is definitely; either the clen from MAreasrch is still in my system or something is up with the cardarine. Its to the point where its affecting my sleep and work; i dunno if its the clen or the cardarine, but I'm going to see how I feel by tomorrow by just dosing the cardarine by itself. I popped benadryl and melatonin and even mk677 last night couldnt fucking sleep something is definitely spiked with these products.

Disclaimer: MA Research products are not intended for human/animal use, but in vitro research only. Any responses posted here should not be interpreted as a recommendation/approval of human/animal use, but should be viewed solely as an attempt to explain how the OP's problem has developed. MA Research products should never be misused.

It's the clen you are feeling, NOT the GW. You took too much. The fact you have been taking a bunch of other drugs with it (xanax, benadryl, alcohol, etc.), which counteract clen symptoms (rapid heart beat, etc.) prevented you from feeling the full force of the clen...and now that they have worn off, you are feeling it. Stop playing polypharmacy and wait for the clen to wear off.

More so, STOP making unfounded accusations. Because I understand your concern (as unfounded as it may be), it has preventing me from railing on you, but if you keep it up, I'll be unhappy. If there were ANY problems with either of these products, you would have heard about it from those who do research with these products. I've sold 1,000's of bottles from these batches and I (as well as someone I know VERY intimately) can personally attest to the fact (through research) that these products are completely fine.

If anyone has wronged you, it has been all the companies that sold you improperly dosed clen products in the past, which caused you to make an improper judgement call...and you are not doing yourself any favors by playing polypharmacy, especially with drugs which are known to TEMPORARILY counteract the stimulatory effects of clen.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Yeah, you should give it an extra day, since clen will build up in you system when taking it consecutive days

Exactly.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Id trust MA over 99 out of 100 other sarm/rc vendors i know of. Critically consider your variables

Exactly. He took to much clen, played poypharmacy, and now that he is done playing polypharmacy, he is feeling the full force of the clen. It's not the first time...and it certainly won't be the last time...that someone has made unfounded accusations against a company as a result of their own mistakes.

 

[50Magnum]

Exactly. He took to much clen, played poypharmacy, and now that he is done playing polypharmacy, he is feeling the full force of the clen. It's not the first time...and it certainly won't be the last time...that someone has made unfounded accusations against a company as a result of their own mistakes.

Mike I'm not accusing you; I've already spends hundreds of dollars on your products already. And also referred a few other people to you that bought your clomid, nolva, and liquid cialis. Your last cardarine products on MAsupps was real awesome; your mk677 soma is fucking super strong and feel the effects immediately. You are right the first day I took the liquid clen with cardarine used .25 of the dropper for the clen and 1.5ml of the gw I knocked out because I got super wasted that night for my friends birthday. But the second night I took a dose same dose at 50mcg off the dropper at 6pm and I had to take xanax to sleep which I hate doing; then Sunday night I couldnt sleep; Monday I didnt take anything but Cardarine but literally was staring at the wall till 3am till I had to pop 4-5 diff sleeping pills to sleep because it was that bad.

All I am saying is 3-4 days prior to taking your liquid clen I was taking tabs of hilmabiocare clen(dunno if it was underdosed but jano said it was on point) but point being it was 40mcg; say it was underdosed it might have been 30mcg that I was taking that I was used to; I used to also take the clen tabs at night get the shakes, cramp a lil but still sleep if I took benadryl. Thing I notice about this clen is I get wide awake(not cracked out and fidgety, but I am awake/ Now lets get to the issue; the droppers on your clen bottles are they accurate? or should I use the insulin syringe instead? Second is your liquid clen really overdosed(I know liquid clen usually hits me harder than tabs but I dont get insomnia from it no matter what time I take it). That is all I am pointing out; I've worked up to almost 140mcg of superclen before never had a problem knocking out thats all Im saying. I am going to try at 30mcg again with a syringe starting Friday and then assess from their

 

[50Magnum]

Are you on any thing else? . When I am on tren I can take 3 sleeping pills and still be wide awake .

No; just on test and anavar; which I've been on for weeks.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Mike I'm not accusing you; I've already spends hundreds of dollars on your products already.
...and I thank you for that, but when you say "these products are definitely spiked", it is an accusation.

And also referred a few other people to you that bought your clomid, nolva, and liquid cialis.
Thank you.

Your last cardarine products on MAsupps was real awesome; your mk677 soma is fucking super strong and feel the effects immediately. You are right the first day I took the liquid clen with cardarine used .25 of the dropper for the clen and 1.5ml of the gw I knocked out because I got super wasted that night for my friends birthday. But the second night I took a dose same dose at 50mcg off the dropper at 6pm and I had to take xanax to sleep which I hate doing; then Sunday night I couldnt sleep; Monday I didnt take anything but Cardarine but literally was staring at the wall till 3am till I had to pop 4-5 diff sleeping pills to sleep because it was that bad.

All I am saying is 3-4 days prior to taking your liquid clen I was taking tabs of hilmabiocare clen(dunno if it was underdosed but jano said it was on point) but point being it was 40mcg; say it was underdosed it might have been 30mcg that I was taking that I was used to; I used to also take the clen tabs at night get the shakes, cramp a lil but still sleep if I took benadryl. Thing I notice about this clen is I get wide awake(not cracked out and fidgety, but I am awake/ Now lets get to the issue; the droppers on your clen bottles are they accurate?
The dropper on the bottle is NOT completely accurate (they never are on bottle-top dropper) because not only are the dosing increments not small enough to be accurate, but there is a portion of the dropper that is not accounted for in the actual measurement. With clen, measurements need to be specific. For this reason I highly recommend purchasing (from me or someone else) a measuring device (they are 99 cents at MA Research). They are very accurate and are broken up into single iu increments, like an insulin syringe.

By measuring out a 1/4 dropper on the bottle dropper, you could have drawn as much as 50% more than intended. This is not a function is my dropper tops alone, but most dropper tops in general, as most are manufacurered the same way.

or should I use the insulin syringe instead?
That will work too.

Second is your liquid clen really overdosed(I know liquid clen usually hits me harder than tabs but I dont get insomnia from it no matter what time I take it).
If it is, it is within 5% (which is considered an acceptable deviation in the pharm industry).

That is all I am pointing out; I've worked up to almost 140mcg of superclen before never had a problem knocking out thats all Im saying. I am going to try at 30mcg again with a syringe starting Friday and then assess from their

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[50Magnum]

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Yeah it makes sense to me; regardless my insomnia has been so terrible lately since Saturday night; benadryl hasn't been even helping me nor nyquil. I'm going to give it a week or so to come off since the clen is probably still lingering in my system even though Im barely feeling symptoms of it. I think my CNS is just super taxed as it is because I also do drink caffeine daily. Sorry if I said it was spiked; only reason I said it was because I've seen the best sources(mainly anabolic sources) accidently use the same filtration system/device they use to make their brew/chemicals leaving some extra residual in the product they intended to be; for example one source a well known one on SST; has a master/test e blend; while the test e and masteron were on point; there was a lil tren in the vial when it was sent to the lab because of the last batch was tren made beforehand and I guess some residue stuck on; sometimes mistakes can happen. Will upddate in a few days or so.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Yeah it makes sense to me; regardless my insomnia has been so terrible lately since Saturday night; benadryl hasn't been even helping me nor nyquil. I'm going to give it a week or so to come off since the clen is probably still lingering in my system even though Im barely feeling symptoms of it. I think my CNS is just super taxed as it is because I also do drink caffeine daily. Sorry if I said it was spiked; only reason I said it was because I've seen the best sources(mainly anabolic sources) accidently use the same filtration system/device they use to make their brew/chemicals leaving some extra residual in the product they intended to be; for example one source a well known one on SST; has a master/test e blend; while the test e and masteron were on point; there was a lil tren in the vial when it was sent to the lab because of the last batch was tren made beforehand and I guess some residue stuck on; sometimes mistakes can happen. Will upddate in a few days or so.

If you are still experiencing insomnia this many days after your last dose, there are other factors involved, as clen will be almost completely out of your system within 36 hours...and for most people its effects will be basically imperceptible within 24 hours. It certainly won't be keeping you awake for days. Not only are its effects mostly worn off by 24 hours, but there isn't an amphetamine/stimulant in use today that lasts that long. Therefore, there must be other factors involved, since you are still experiencing the issue days after your last dose.

 

[Mike Arnold]

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[xR1pp3Rx]

maybe a few weeks on the wagon could help OP

you sound like a fekin mess dude.

 

[50Magnum]

maybe a few weeks on the wagon could help OP

you sound like a fekin mess dude.

Its possible that it can be the aromasin I just started taking lately, low libido, fatigue, hot flashes,etc combination of the clen and aromasin. Cause I can fucking sleep on ampthemaines 4 hours before my last dose since I have a high stim tolerance. Had to be prescribed ambien the other day; and knocked the **** out. I've been off clen since Sunday still taking cardarine and Im gonna dose my aromasin only on pin days now; but I think that might be the culprit or I just overdosed heavily on clen who knows.

 

[50Magnum]

Ok would like to post an update; Mike sorry for accusing you of tainted products, like I said always loved your products. I found out why the insomnia happened; its cause of my estro levels were crashed using an AI(even only doing 12.5mg aromasin eod) did that 4x that week and literally had all the aromasin sides; hot flashes, acid reflux, stress, couldnt sleep, basically my cortisol levels got fucked up. Been sleeping fine now; also been taking the clen in the morning.