No hating here Bro, like you said we didn't get to see the whole story, we weren't there and if you are stupid enough to try and strike an officer whether he is wrong or not, you better be willing to pay the price.IMO NO, but let me state that i do NOT believe in striking a woman in the face and in the state I am a police officer in hitting a woman in the face with a closed fist would he frowned upon in court. I am 230 pound bodybuilder who is also trained to fight. I should be able to take most people into custody without incident, but that's just me not every cop can be a pimp like me however, Some states face strikes are taught in the police academy. But in my state we are trained to aim for large muscle groups area.
Like most police brutality you tube videos it starts off in the middle of the fight. So NONE of us know what caused this "fight".
Regardless if she swung first it is obvious she is a active resistor and the use of force the officers used is fine. I was trained that if a subject is willing to resist arrest the that subject is willing to KILL me. Fight or flight... I'm sure if the officer had a taser he probable would have used it.
Bottom line none of us were there and we can Monday Quarterback the officers all day long but but yourself in there shoes.
I just woke up from a 16 hour shift sorry for the brief reply. Bring on the Hatters! I am about to take a bunch of stims and hit the gym so when I get back I'll be wide awake and ready to deal with the flames I receive.
Word!IMO NO, but let me state that i do NOT believe in striking a woman in the face and in the state I am a police officer in hitting a woman in the face with a closed fist would he frowned upon in court. I am 230 pound bodybuilder who is also trained to fight. I should be able to take most people into custody without incident, but that's just me not every cop can be a pimp like me however, Some states face strikes are taught in the police academy. But in my state we are trained to aim for large muscle groups area.
Like most police brutality you tube videos it starts off in the middle of the fight. So NONE of us know what caused this "fight".
Regardless if she swung first it is obvious she is a active resistor and the use of force the officers used is fine. I was trained that if a subject is willing to resist arrest the that subject is willing to KILL me. Fight or flight... I'm sure if the officer had a taser he probable would have used it.
Bottom line none of us were there and we can Monday Quarterback the officers all day long but but yourself in there shoes.
I just woke up from a 16 hour shift sorry for the brief reply. Bring on the Hatters! I am about to take a bunch of stims and hit the gym so when I get back I'll be wide awake and ready to deal with the flames I receive.
Just like we discussed on the other thread, seriously, there is good and bad in this world, like you implied.. probably more bad than good! I am sure there are a ton of real police brutality cases filed and un-filed, video taped and not video taped. But, that goes the other way as well, there are just as many misconstrued cases out there that if caught from the wrong angle or wrong prospective, or even just by catching part of it, makes one party look guilty or innocent when the opposite holds true. It is an imperfect world out there, we as people are naturally imperfect, but what we can do is try to be the best we can be, for the sake of ourselves, the ones we love and others. We start by holding ourselves accountable for our own actions, because truly if everyone did that, we would be miles ahead of the curve! :soapbox:I can't post videos from my phone but if you wanna see a textbook case and much better video search - seattle cops punches teen. I would defend this cop to the grave.
In the words of Chris Rock, "I'll never hit a woman, but I'll shake the **** out of her."
I'd say no but if a cop punched me in the face I would probably end up dead from punching him back. Now here is a case of brutality. This guy was doing his job, had recently suffered head injury and was compliant.
YouTube - Kelowna RCMP Police Brutality Investigation
...Oh, and it's not people...Do what you're told, Citizen, and maybe I won't hurt you. That's a good boy.
TranslationDo what you're told, Citizen, and maybe I won't hurt you. That's a good boy.
Yep...stop resisting my will, whatever that is, because I have the gun and a whole block of buddies that will lie for me to make sure the worst that happens to me is "desk duty" with pay.Translation
Sir stop resisting! Or in some cases ma'm.
I didn't read anything all I seen was a VERY low quality video and a lady smack a cop. Chances are what you read is complete BULLSHIIT if it was in any type of new paper.Yep...stop resisting my will, whatever that is, because I have the gun and a whole block of buddies that will lie for me to make sure the worst that happens to me is "desk duty" with pay.
Point - from what I read, the cops were OFF duty, which means they should have as much authority as Mall Security (and should not have been in uniform). Second, from what I saw the woman was grabbing as his collar to get his attention to talk more (you know, what cops are SUPPOSED to be trained to do before compliance tools like tazers came around to insure escalation), and he initially hit her.
Yeah, **** him with his own stick, honestly.
Not to attack you personally, but held to a higher standard doesn't mean they get to skate for something that would net anyone else in the country a several year sentence (assault, lying in court, filing false reports, etc).I didn't read anything all I seen was a VERY low quality video and a lady smack a cop. Chances are what you read is complete BULLSHIIT if it was in any type of new paper.
Also when I am off duty I have a LEGAL obligation to get involved. Yes as a police officer I am held to a higher stander then you. Not all cops uphold the the badge with pride.
I'm glad you're not a cop
Once again, I did not read what you read so I'm am unaware of the whole off duty thing. So will you either post (edit- i see yiu posted the article but do you honestly think I'm going to believe a damn this the media says) what you've read or please stop using it to defend your feelings on this matter.Not to attack you personally, but held to a higher standard doesn't mean they get to skate for something that would net anyone else in the country a several year sentence (assault, lying in court, filing false reports, etc).
Again, just going by what I read, that the cops were working after hours security in Uniform (which I have personally witnessed countless times).
We have a duty as American citizens to make sure nobody is violating someone else's rights - including police officers in the name of "compliance".
we're having a discussion, not a personal brawl. Try to relax.Once again, I did not read what you read so I'm am unaware of the whole off duty thing. So will you either post (edit- i see yiu posted the article but do you honestly think I'm going to believe a damn this the media says) what you've read or please stop using it to defend your feelings on this matter.
I don't think you understand what I meant when I said police officers are held to a higher standard. I did not say we are on a higher level. I will be the first to say when I cop is out of line - check my first post in this thread. I made it very clear I do not agree with their actions.
You think all criminals go to jail for what the officers did in this video? You have a very poor understanding on the justice system in America. I have had someone spit in my face and they walked with no time. I'd rather be punched 20 times then have a crack head spit in my face.
A battery is any unwanted physical contact. As pimp-e as it sounds she committed a battery by touching the officer.
Last but not least I have said it a dozen times on this board. I am a American first and a cop second.
Haha sorry for getting a little worked up but I wish I never got involved in this thread. I'm also on my iPhonewe're having a discussion, not a personal brawl. Try to relax.
Regarding one of your points, the officer initiated contact with the other female. If it turns out he was out of line, will he be charged with battery?
Typing on phone, which is a pain, I'll look more when I get home.
Good point, since (if) he touched her first, wouldnt he be charged with battery? The door swings both ways, or at least it should.we're having a discussion, not a personal brawl. Try to relax.
Regarding one of your points, the officer initiated contact with the other female. If it turns out he was out of line, will he be charged with battery?
Typing on phone, which is a pain, I'll look more when I get home.
Chances are no he would not. If he is in the wrong then he could be charged with official misconduct (or whatever they call it in NY).Good point, since (if) he touched her first, wouldnt he be charged with battery? The door swings both ways, or at least it should.
So the law says you have to do everything some random cop tells you to do?thats not brutality at all. if ur resisting or not complying with what the officer says, he has every right to use excessive force. like is it that hard to do what he says?!?!
I'll have to respectfully disagree with that last part. Most end up with desk duty, with pay, for a few weeks. I don't consider that more serious than jailtime.Chances are no he would not. If he is in the wrong then he could be charged with official misconduct (or whatever they call it in NY).
Edit, the door does swing both ways but when a cops in the wrong the charges are much more serious then a normal citizen.
Please give me an example of when you would not comply with a lawful order given my a uniformed on duty police officer?So the law says you have to do everything some random cop tells you to do?
:::unzzziiipppp::: - You know what to do with this.
Also, I don't think you know what "excessive" means.
Cops don't only issue lawful orders...such as "stop videotaping me while I beat this perp".Please give me an example of when you would not comply with a lawful order given my a uniformed on duty police officer?
As a American citizens we grant police officers a certain amount of authority.
Am I missing something dsade? Lol
You'd be a fine citizen in a dictatorship. Also, I bolded the important part of your statement.gettin intense in here. she interfered with what the cop was doing, although he swung first she still swung back so he can do whatever it takes to get her down. dont interfere with police business like that and u wont get ur ass beat
I agree there're cops on power trips and who abuse their power. This world we live in is not perfect and never will be. Unfortunately, the public only hears the bad. The papers don't sell when the cops save the day, but if a cop punches a combative subject in the face... Now that's news!!Cops don't only issue lawful orders...such as "stop videotaping me while I beat this perp".
There is a story where a woman was witnessing the beating of a suspect in the street. She was on her own porch (private property) and was ordered back in the house, then arrested when she refused to comply.
I really don't have "cop hate", but I have been on the receiving end of some pretty rampant abuse of power trips. I just think we need stronger measures to weed out the bad cops (and in that category I lump supposed "good cops" that have knowledge of bad cops, but refuse to step forward)
lmaooo it is annoyin when cops do go a little crazy on the perp but still, the girl shouldnt hav touched the cop. shoulda just minded her own business. anyone see the other fight in new york i think? 2 black girls beat the **** outa a transgendered guy at mcdonalds that went into the females restroom and they got offended, they got him pretty bad. a little off topic but another nice recent vidYou'd be a fine citizen in a dictatorship. Also, I bolded the important part of your statement.
so if you get stopped the the police for speeding what would you do? I would be honored to have to comeYou'd be a fine citizen in a dictatorship. Also, I bolded the important part of your statement.
Transgendered implies surgical alteration, which means it was not a "him" or a guy, but legally a women. Those people, and the employees, should be prosecuted.lmaooo it is annoyin when cops do go a little crazy on the perp but still, the girl shouldnt hav touched the cop. shoulda just minded her own business. anyone see the other fight in new york i think? 2 black girls beat the **** outa a transgendered guy at mcdonalds that went into the females restroom and they got offended, they got him pretty bad. a little off topic but another nice recent vid
Again, not anti-cop...I've known very good cops.so if you get stopped the the police for speeding what would you do? I would be honored to have to come
On a ride along with me so I could show you some good we as police can do.
His example with his drunken cop buddy? I mean on dutyAgain, not anti-cop...I've known very good cops.
Funny with your example - look at T-AD's example above.
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