I'd be very skeptical of buying that sort of thing online/OTC without some sort of COA/quality assurance. I don't have any experience with that sort of thing; the most exotic thing I've bought online is probably Armodafinil, haha (with a COA, and it definitely worked).
Off topic... But how many muscle ups can you do? Lol
Lol at riceflour.com
Haha, that's a good question. I don't really do them anymore. A while back (sometime in HS?) I first did some when they were starting to get popular, and around that time I think I made an account on another forum. I just kept the same username for here as there, hence the name. I'll do some another time and see, haha. I know I can do an easy 10+ wide pull ups (thumbless grip to focus on the lats) with at least 25lbs extra, and do weighted dips for reps with 90lbs or so, so I'd imagine I should be able to do a decent amount, especially if I get some momentum going into it.
Sad but true
Getting a little off topic, but... What would you recommend for a good recomp supplement that is proven to work?
A better diet. To be honest, there are a million supplements that could help with "recomp", but they will do nothing compared to a proper diet.
Your "real life evidence" proves nothing..neither scientifically, nor anecdotally. Sorry to anger you man, it's not personal. My own personal experience, plus knowing how to interpret all the *scientific studies that I've read on mk, leads me to a different conclusion than you. Not sure why you are attempting to shame me for reading every piece of science available on mk. Maybe its because the science refutes your subjective take on what's happening to your friends huge weight gain in the first week? And let me remind you once again, I've read every single study possible on mk, and I DO know that it increases gh pulses..so there is no need to argue about that. For the life of me, I can't even figure out what you are arguing about. This isn't an argument over whether or not mk increases gh..it does! Gheese...I give lol. Sorry for angering you. I'm out...carry on my good man
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Lol im not mad. Mostly all of your arguement has been proven wrong in this thread . refer to post #43. Nuff said.Your "real life evidence" proves nothing..neither scientifically, nor anecdotally. Sorry to anger you man, it's not personal. My own personal experience, plus knowing how to interpret all the *scientific studies that I've read on mk, leads me to a different conclusion than you. Not sure why you are attempting to shame me for reading every piece of science available on mk. Maybe its because the science refutes your subjective take on what's happening to your friends huge weight gain in the first week? And let me remind you once again, I've read every single study possible on mk, and I DO know that it increases gh pulses..so there is no need to argue about that. For the life of me, I can't even figure out what you are arguing about. This isn't an argument over whether or not mk increases gh..it does! Gheese...I give lol. Sorry for angering you. I'm out...carry on my good man
are you talking about rikkun****0?
love when he replies, you can read this and actually comprehend everything. Danes thank you
Nuff said lol? Dude, you are seriously starting to make yourself look silly now. Have you taken anatomy and physiology? Danes post does not contradict mine in any way. I explained to you, in simple terms, that MK increases ADH which is what makes you bloated. Dane just elaborated on the process, by describing how ADH does this. If you want, you can find some good diagrams on the internet that show how this works. FYI, my career, in part, involves working with kidneys
. I also did not say sides couldn't be somewhat mitigated. I have heard of ibuprofen, keeping salt intake to a minimum as well. This works for some, and not for others.
I have no more energy for this...Nuff said lol? Dude, you are seriously starting to make yourself look silly now. Have you taken anatomy and physiology? Danes post does not contradict mine in any way. I explained to you, in simple terms, that MK increases ADH which is what makes you bloated. Dane just elaborated on the process, by describing how ADH does this. If you want, you can find some good diagrams on the internet that show how this works. FYI, my career, in part, involves working with kidneys
Yes. Very clearly.
MK does increase ADH (Vasopressin)and ACTH wich again increase sodium retention in kidneys/water retention. Ibuprofen and even aspirin can be VERY helpful.Nuff said lol? Dude, you are seriously starting to make yourself look silly now. Have you taken anatomy and physiology? Danes post does not contradict mine in any way. I explained to you, in simple terms, that MK increases ADH which is what makes you bloated. Dane just elaborated on the process, by describing how ADH does this. If you want, you can find some good diagrams on the internet that show how this works. FYI, my career, in part, involves working with kidneys
This is very similar to my experience when i ran it. Last year i went from 215 to 265 in bodyweight. My incline bench went up 100 pounds. This was in a six month clean bulk using solely mk677 at 25mg a day, no aas. I would boil and eat approx 3lbs chicken breast and 3lbs yams a day. No seasoning, no added sodium. When i used mk it was by far the most helpful and cost efficient thing ive ever taken. At around $45 a month. I took huperzine a and green tea three time a day.
MK is working and I have seen couple of my friends results. No water gain at all but they are eating damn clean.
I know - been on MK for 6 months. I don't consider MK natural. I was commenting on GABA, Mucuna, Safed Musli, etc...
Only 2 responders out of 15 (17?) in that study - correct? (Mucuna/Safed Musli combo). Just use 3g GABA - it's cheaper.
Peptides too my man. But if you can get better sleep from something natural that will benefit you in your training regardless of increases in gh or not
Yeah, forgot about Peptides as I don't use them, but yup
Thats very understandable.Yeah, forgot about Peptides as I don't use them, but yup
If this is in relation to Mucuna/Safed - I've never seen that these promote sleep at all, much less like like Melatonin, Kava Kava, Valerian, GABA, Glycine, Milk Peptides (Boiled Warm Milk), etc... They seem to be more "When you do fall asleep, this combo will help GH release". Mucuna is Dopamine and put in a ton of "during the day" supps, and Safed is usually Libido and also in "DTD" supps - both usually in "T-Boosters". Lots of cheaper, more effective sleep agents avail too.
It wasnt towards any specific. Just in line with the original topic of natural gh boosters, before it became the mk debate. I personally see the most benefit from melatonan. But people have told me they like gaba for better sleep too. Just the basic premise that better sleep will aid in recovery and training.
Better sleep quality= better regulation of many hormones, better recovery ++++.
MK is actually very similar to peptides such as GHRP peptides . Both are Ghrelin mimetic GH secretagogue
what do you feel equivalent dose of 30mg mk677 would equate to real HGH.MK is actually very similar to peptides such as GHRP peptides . Both are Ghrelin mimetic GH secretagogue
MK induces GH pulses and HGH is a direct level of GH, probably hart to judge, I've heard 30mg ed would be like injecting 4-5iu of HGH ed but it's just broscience, would have a much less pronounced effect too I would guess because you get such a massive spike from HGH
N=1 Blood Work had a mid 40's male taking 25mg at 10 for GH and 310 for IGF. IIRC those are numbers that 20 year olds usually have, and waaaaaay above what his numbers were before MK. YMMV.
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