I had to. I just couldn't stop myself. I ordered ZMK. Maybe it was the wrong thing to do, but at least I'll sleep good at night.
Poison, we truly appreciate the order! I promise you won't be disappointed. Tremendous sleep and recovery for under $20.00 is always a good decisionI had to. I just couldn't stop myself. I ordered ZMK. Maybe it was the wrong thing to do, but at least I'll sleep good at night.
Let me start off by saying that I am not an big advocate of pre-bedtime meals whether they are strickly isolated to protein or are protein/carb/fat blends. In my opinion, contrary to recent popularity a meal, snack, protein shake, macronutrients etc. right before bed only encourages a hormonally incorrect environment.Last night I workoed out at 9:00pm. I sipped a whey isolate/carb ABB drink while working out, got home by 10:30. I ate some pasta, and had a protein shake by 11:30, and hit the sack.
If I was taking ZMK, would I take it immediately on leaving the gym, eat, and have my shake an hour later before bed?
Your scenerio makes it tough to be hormonally correct, but; it could play into your hands if you manage to keep your session short and sweet. I would recommend sipping your shake during your workout like you do. Then before you leave the gym take your post work out shake or a product that is primarily BCAA's. Even though leucine creates an insulin response if it's timed directly after your workout it's perfect because the BCAA's get into your system without having to be digested and cleaved. The insulin response is short lived and you've primed the anabolic response for sleep without depending on food that has to be digested.Once again, awesome replies, thanks to all.
So, with the aformentioned routine, which happens twice a week, how would you guys do it. Skip the post workout meal. Keep in ind I get home from the gym around 10:00-10:30, and need to get to bed ASAP, ie within an hour or so.
Yeah, if you have a good EAA product it will work perfectly. Most EAA blend have ample BCAA content. If it's an EAA blend without the BCAAs then as long as they are in free form and not peptided you are fine.How about using EAA's? Or are BCAA's better?
I think feeding through the night might be part of the problem. Intermittent calories at a time when the body is supposed to be saturated with growth hormone can be detrimental to your sleep and recovery patterns not to mention anabolism. Waking to feed means higher insulin levels and less REM sleep which means less GH and anabolism. Night eating will stoke the metabolism making it harder to maintain lean mass and may even promote catabolism which is the opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.I wish I could get away with a night's sleep without waking up feeling like I would kill to feed. I usually wake up > 1o times per night: 3-4 bathroom breaks, 8-9 dying of thirst drinks of water, and 1-3 chugs of milk/prot(whey and casein)/EFA. Any advice..ps..I know this is very little info, but I am cramming for my cell bio midterm tomorrow and don't have time to write my entire stats..anyway, I thought this seemed to be on topic with the thread and would like to know what y'all think...I couldn't possibly think of sleeping through the night without feeding.
No Man! YOU ROCK! Let me know how it goes!Matt, you rock! thanks. Tonights my first night with it.
Seriously! The avatars are off the hook! Now it's all the finest looking young ladies, the banana swallowers (is that what the banana cult is really all about???), or the cartoon characters. For awhile back then it was all horror characters like from Fangoria or something, like Bobo's evil clown. I think I'm gonna put like a picture of a plant or a tree or something in mine...What's going on with these hot women avatars like the ones taking big bites of bananas? Each time I link into the thread I want to whack it.
I think in your situation you should keep your carbs to an absolute minimum since you are hitting the sack so quickly after training. If you could give yourself a good hour between post workout BCAA/EAA/carbs and bed that would be ideal. If you had an hour or more then you could add a little more carb and protein.Just so I understand, you're advocating taking only BCAA's post-workout, no food, on nights I train late and need to hit the sack right after? No carbs?
lol @ my disbelief. :lol:
ZMK works wonders. It will help curb some of that hunger since it's giving you nutrients and most of us are really mineral deficient. It will also help keep you asleep much better than any of the OTC stuff without making you feel wasted in the morning.hmmm...sounds logical...I will give it a shot. Thanks for the advice millenium! Do you recommend any particular sleep aid...I hate the pills that make you groggy in the morning (Tyl PM, or anything you get from the doc)..do you think this ZMK will be strong enough in my case, or will that be best-suited for when I get my hunger under control?
Yeah man, lol, especially the banana swallowers.Seriously! The avatars are off the hook! Now it's all the finest looking young ladies, the banana swallowers (is that what the banana cult is really all about???), or the cartoon characters. For awhile back then it was all horror characters like from Fangoria or something, like Bobo's evil clown. I think I'm gonna put like a picture of a plant or a tree or something in mine...
Oh, and good info Millennium! Nice to have you on the board!
Great feedback Poison! I think you will see some great results from these samll alterations.Oh, hell yeah! I'm on my 6th night or so of ZMK. I've changed my eating habits, no more food within 2 hours of sleep/ZMK ingestion, and I'm sleeping so deep. I normally only get 6 hours per night, due to work (I could sleep far more if I had time). I feel better on the same amount. Last night I crashed about 2 hours earlier than usual, and I feel AWESOME today. Normally an extra two hours is not sufficient to do much.
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Good news! they are chewable. if you noticed they are soft-pressed particularly for that reasonI've come upon a strange problem: the pills surface is dry and powdery. It takes me a 12oz glass of water to get them down. This is resulting in me waking up an hour or two before I should, to piss. Then it's tough to go back down.
I can swallow 3 Orange Triads, 3 fish oil, a green tea, and a couple vitamin C in one gulp with 2-3 OZ of water, so it's not that I'm a baby. It's just something about that powdery surface which inevitably leaves the pill stuck in my throat, taking a couple gulps to get each one down.
Although great care was taken in the manufacturing process they do still have a little residue on the tabs. Unfortunately the tabs couldn't be coated because one of the krebs intermediates was turning the tabs yellow upon coating. Therefore we opted to make them softer so they could be chewed. They are pretty chalky but it's a good option.I've come upon a strange problem: the pills surface is dry and powdery. It takes me a 12oz glass of water to get them down. This is resulting in me waking up an hour or two before I should, to piss. Then it's tough to go back down.
I can swallow 3 Orange Triads, 3 fish oil, a green tea, and a couple vitamin C in one gulp with 2-3 OZ of water, so it's not that I'm a baby. It's just something about that powdery surface which inevitably leaves the pill stuck in my throat, taking a couple gulps to get each one down.
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