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I take 1 scoop bo xplode already. So sknce i have a bottle of 1g l arginine pills how much should i take? Also i dont want a headach lol
????Ditch the arginine. Acquire Hemavol, SNS Agmatine, or Thermolife C-bol
There are an unusually large amount of studies showing it doesn't increase in NO, tested using a wide array of methods and populations. It may enhance muscle blood volume, but it does not increase NO, and it is definitely not ergogenic.I take 5-7 grams or so a day of arginine mainly for cardiovascular support.....but I do feel it affects NO and helps with pumps despite the fact its "not supposed to" anymore.
If you already have both products and they work for you, then great! You should use them Unfortunately, nobody knows how much arginine is in NO Xplode so I can't really recommend how much extra to add. You're going to have to experiment a bit and see what works for you without leading to a headache or any other sides. Start with one and see how it goes, but you probably don't want to add more than one or two, depending on your body and how it tolerates the supps.I take 1 scoop bo xplode already. So sknce i have a bottle of 1g l arginine pills how much should i take? Also i dont want a headach lol
Yawn. Definitely not? Based on what? And by what mechanism does it increase muscle blood volume if not through NO?There are an unusually large amount of studies showing it doesn't increase in NO, tested using a wide array of methods and populations. It may enhance muscle blood volume, but it does not increase NO, and it is definitely not ergogenic.
I've never been a fan of increasing pumps....it only serves to cause you to stop short of where you'd normally exhaust rep-wise....which is a bad thing if you ask me. I know when I took 6 caps a day of AHv3 along with its delivery system....it seemed something was causing me to get super pumped, and the arginine was about the only thing I was taking that had a reputation for that type effect.... so I attributed it to the delivery system of the AHv3 coupled with the large serving of arginine. Then again it could have been something else I was taking, or just the AHv3 itself. I know tri's were ridiculous, insane pumps.There are an unusually large amount of studies showing it doesn't increase in NO, tested using a wide array of methods and populations. It may enhance muscle blood volume, but it does not increase NO, and it is definitely not ergogenic.
And where have you been mister?Yawn. Definitely not? Based on what? And by what mechanism does it increase muscle blood volume if not through NO?
Performing post doc research on NO systems in the basal ganglia ...and avoiding NO related arguments...mostlyAnd where have you been mister?
Well, this is the first time I made an arginine comment since our last discussion...and look where it landed me!Performing post doc research on NO systems in the basal ganglia ...and avoiding NO related arguments...mostly
we all already know that you are an arginine-hater......oh and a glutamine-hater as well LOL.......that reminds me, I gotta get me some PF glutamine peptides to mix in my 8:1:1 BCAA PWO drink next time I got ultra low calWell, this is the last time I made an arginine comment since our last discussion...and look where it landed me!
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Well, in that context, glutamine is worthwhilewe all already know that you are an arginine-hater......oh and a glutamine-hater as well LOL.......that reminds me, I gotta get me some PF glutamine peptides to mix in my 8:1:1 BCAA PWO drink next time I got ultra low cal
One thing is for sure: you won't be taking "too much" arginine orally (unless GI discomfort counts). Headaches are more common to exogenous NO donors (I.e. nitrates) versus regulated endogenous NO precursors (i.e. urea cycle intermediates).Thanks all for replies. I wish i knew how much arginine was in no xplode. So u think 3g plus NOcplode would be too much?
I just like keeping you on your toes If you have the paper or the authors, could you please send it my way. NO is transient as hell so you wouldn't want to directly test for it. I find it hard to believe though that blood volume increases after arginine and eNOS is not involved.Well, this is the first time I made an arginine comment since our last discussion...and look where it landed me!
Much of the research that examined arginine's effects on NO also examined the ergogenic effects and found none (one study found that it had a negative effect on performance but the design was crap IMO).
I don't know the mechanism by which it increases blood volume independent of NO, and neither did the authors of the paper, which is very recent. The paper found no change in NO but a significant increase in muscle blood volume. This, plus heavy anecdote, leads me to believe that arginine can give pumps, but that there is only counter-evidence showing it raises NO or increases performance (and before you tear me apart , the statement applies to: a. relevant populations, b. oral doses, c. low oral doses as most individuals use).
How's the research coming along by the way? I'm still keen on seeing your results.
Agreed! (see! it happens!) I wouldn't push 3 honestly, but yeah, you're gonna probably be stuck in the bathroom before you get a headache.One thing is for sure: you won't be taking "too much" arginine orally (unless GI discomfort counts). Headaches are more common to exogenous NO donors (I.e. nitrates) versus regulated endogenous NO precursors (i.e. urea cycle intermediates).
at my age, when your metabolism slows to shyt, and you have to resort to taking in 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800 cals and nothing more regardless of being 190 or 200 or 210 lbs... every bit of leucine and BCAA and even glutamine peptides helps (I hope....)Well, in that context, glutamine is worthwhile
Nice! Would you mind PMing me an email address or do you have full-text access?I just like keeping you on your toes If you have the paper or the authors, could you please send it my way. NO is transient as hell so you wouldn't want to directly test for it. I find it hard to believe though that blood volume increases after arginine and eNOS is not involved.
It's going well, just publishing takes for freaking ever. Two first author papers though related to NO out this year...hopefully. One is sent to Abbott and the other to Pfizer to get their stamps of approval since they were collaborations. Once they're out I can actually talk about it...worse than being in the CIA...way less pay too!!!
Do you mean arginine or agmatine?I was having a conversation about Agmatine dosing earlier today. In past f-ing around (I say that because I didnt exactly run it like a cycle) you gotta dose it pretty high which is above aleksander's recommendations. I also heard the cost for raw materials today which makes keeping a high gram dose crazy expensive. The literary evidence is limited.
Performing post doc research on NO systems in the basal ganglia ...and avoiding NO related arguments...mostly
Well, this is the first time I made an arginine comment since our last discussion...and look where it landed me!
Much of the research that examined arginine's effects on NO also examined the ergogenic effects and found none (one study found that it had a negative effect on performance but the design was crap IMO).
I don't know the mechanism by which it increases blood volume independent of NO, and neither did the authors of the paper, which is very recent. The paper found no change in NO but a significant increase in muscle blood volume. This, plus heavy anecdote, leads me to believe that arginine can give pumps, but that there is only counter-evidence showing it raises NO or increases performance (and before you tear me apart , the statement applies to: a. relevant populations, b. oral doses, c. low oral doses as most individuals use).
He must mean agmatine.Do you mean arginine or agmatine?
I can get things riled up again if you wish.Ahh damnit.. I was tryna be "peace keeper" and by the time I was done typing everything was already settled..
Well it was the thought that counted right
Generally, supplements that enhance vasoregulatory function also improve performance (see data on citrulline and nitrates), and thus, hypertrophy is an indirect effect.I think a even better conversation we could gave here is what is the relevance of these pumps for the athlete? Is it an indication that you had a good workout? If so then wouldnt lifting to failure or high reps be optimal? How much is this "pump" linked to growth? Is there evidence that NO is a satellite cell activator? How much of a regulator of the hypertrophy response to exercise is NO (if any)? Or is there even evidence that increased nitric oxide would even cause this "pump" feeling? Does increased NO actually do any good for an athlete? Does elevated levels of NO during exercise really pan out to any noticeable benefits for an athlete?
Or is it an indirect effect such as, with an increased pump the athlete tends to train harder and have a much better mind-muscle connection which results in increased gains over time due to the more intense workout?
Or we can discuss other benefits of arginine such as its role in ammonia disposal or its usefulness in wound healing, which both could be quite beneficial for an athlete.
Just adding a different twist to the debate so that instead of a match to prove who is right we can discuss and all learn some
Nah. You didn't even have to say anything. I saw you pop up and knew you would want world peaceAhh damnit.. I was tryna be "peace keeper" and by the time I was done typing everything was already settled..
Well it was the thought that counted right
Woops, typo. The initial conversation was about Agmatine yes but the post was direct towards arganine. Ive tried HUGE doses of l-arganine and found nothing. The byproduct, agmatine, is more promising.Do you mean arginine or agmatine?
Oh damn, what kind of rep do I have round here? I need to go off and start some trouble somewhere..Nah. You didn't even have to say anything. I saw you pop up and knew you would want world peace
Ditch the arginine. Acquire Hemavol, SNS Agmatine, or Thermolife C-bol
I'll delve into this a bit later, but rest assured that the results had nothing to do with 0.5g of arginine. In fact, the authors did not even cite arginine in the results section of the abstract, and all analyzed markers were done on BCAA-dependent factors.I saw the info on MindandMuscle
From google - this is the best i could come up with:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17497593
This is also what I initially thought when I read seen it as all aminos (yes even NE-AA) have this capability but from the ergo-log write up they specifically mention the subjects had breakfast.Now, I am surprised that a mere 2g of BCAA inhibited muscle proteolysis, but the fact that significant proteolysis was even occurring leads me to believe that the subjects were fasted (no full text access yet so I can't check the methods). If the subjects were indeed fasted, this is nothing new as BCAAs are definitely valuable preworkout for those who train in a "fasted" state.
Thanks for the link!
Then I will indeed have to read this full text. Logic dictates that ingestion of any carbohydrate/protein will obviously blunt proteolysis (I need to see the intensity of these 20 min cycling bouts because you'd think they'd be aerobic...), but the extremely low dose is what piques my interest. If you have the full text, I will PM you my email address.This is also what I initially thought when I read seen it as all aminos (yes even NE-AA) have this capability but from the ergo-log write up they specifically mention the subjects had breakfast.
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