I just want some opinions on Primordials TRS stack, the topical version and how it compares to HCGenerate from NTBM?? Would it be beneficial to stack them? Which one works better as a standalone for PCT?
There is plenty of feedback around the forums that supports the fantastic libido enhancing benefits of our TRS. This is one of the many benefits that's given this stack such a great name. We give our customer base options by providing effective delievery systems in both oral and TD modalities.TRS how well does it help in the libido department?
I would expect no different response from a rep.hcgenerate solo ran with clomid vs trs ran with clomid, hcgenerate will blow it out the water.
I have used both.
Cycle is dbol, test and epi strong.I've had great luck with the TRS, but I haven't tried HCGenerate yet.
if you're planning on using this for a PCT, what's your cycle look like?
I wouldn't go without a SERM on that cycle.Cycle is dbol, test and epi strong.
I know the topical is better because resveratrol is crap taken oraly and i can apply suatain to my nads..
lol, why does this response not surprise me?hcgenerate solo ran with clomid vs trs ran with clomid, hcgenerate will blow it out the water.
I have used both.
LOL bro if you can afford HCGenerate + TRS + SERM + Forma-stanzol and still have money left over for protein, creatine, and other supps go right ahead my friend. That is the end all of all PCT's.PCT is in lets say 24 days away.
Maybe I could get both the TRS and HCGenerate. Are there synergy between the two taken together?
Also, I am gonna use formastane as my AI, who makes a decent form product anymore???
Sure, there will be some synergy, but you'd be getting to the point of overkill, especially with formestane and a SERM.PCT is in lets say 24 days away.
Maybe I could get both the TRS and HCGenerate. Are there synergy between the two taken together?
Also, I am gonna use formastane as my AI, who makes a decent form product anymore???
I lol'd :lol:lol, why does this response not surprise me?
This logic sounds flawed to me regardless of price difference....I wouldn't go without a SERM on that cycle.
Get a SERM and HCGenerate and heres why...
Your recovery with this^^ will be great. Money saved on SERM + HCGenerate over TRS + SERM then could be spent on protein and creatine.
I beg to differ...Protein + Creatine > Endo Amp + Toco-8 for da muscles in PCT.
I don't see the need for more money spent on "recovery" type supplements beyond a strong T booster and a SERM. That is the core of recovery. Spend other money on feeding the muscles.. this will work out better for muscle retention.
Sad to see this really in effect with any company here on the boards... REALLY AS A CONSUMER, this pisses me off... A supply of products really dictates your guys price point??? This isnt the stock market here and I really dont think ANY supplement is worth twice its value (or even half again as much) when its running out...IMO
Ps price is steep on HCGenerate as only a few are left in stock. You will still save more on this recovery stack of SERM + HCGenerate over TRS + SERM... but you will save a TON if you wait a bit longer for price to come back down to give you more Protein, more Creatine aka more muscle. Hope PCT isn't around the corner...
Sorry Bud, stupid supply and demand lol.
@ Poops
Don't even try to convince me that endo amp and toco-8 are more beneficial for a PCT than protein and creatine.
Protein + Creatine > Endo Amp + Toco-8
Any day of the week under any circumstance.
The more money I can put into protein and creatine, the better. The money saved on HCGenerate + SERM will get me 2, 5 lb tubs of protein and enough creatine for PCT. That to me is worth more than endo amp and toco-8 in keeping my gains AND some. And that is MY OPINION. If you think otherwise state what you think and leave me alone about it.
My philosophy is simple and I have worked up a physique I am satisfied with and still developing with it. If I have extra money to "cough up" which really isn't as simple as you make it out to be lol (at least for me), guess where it's going for me? Protein and Creatine. Old school... nice, simple, and very effective.
And I'm sorry you feel that way about how Needto does his business. If you are that worked up about it please PM him as I cannot help you with that.
LOL... way too old school for me^Then we are at an impasse, sir.....
Old school for me is Food and Iron.
I may not be able to convince you but it won't change the FACT that addressing hormonal issues during pct like cortisol, cholesterol and testosterone production, supersede dietary supplementation that can be equaled with whole foods and proper nutrient timing.
Btw
I have no bone to pick with ntbm, just starting my personal opinion in regards to sales...
Well I don't know many normal men over 200+ lbs and solid physiques who can say that. All the big boys I know throw in 1-2 huge shakes a day on top of a big diet.Ya, I rarely use whey any more..
I get enough protein from food and milk..
FOOD and milk...LOL... way too old school for me^
That's fine you have every right to.
Well I don't know many normal men over 200+ lbs and solid physiques who can say that. All the big boys I know throw in 1-2 huge shakes a day on top of a big diet.
Just be careful you don't hinder your potential. Many times a person will believe they are eating enough, running enough, working out hard enough, when in reality... not so much. We see it all the time in here.
You sound like you know your sh*t although I can't help but wonder how much more progress 1-2 big shakes a day on top of your bulking diet would do. I assume bulking because you listed milk as a main source of protein.
by the way, if hcgenerat isn't the best, and amazing, I have no idea why the last 6-7 bottles that were being sold for 85$ are already sold out.
something must be good about this product for peeps to drop that kind of $$$ in these hard times.
Uninformed consumers buying because of the mass amount of pimping. Makes me sick and its terrible for the industry.
I cannot wait to stack HCGenerate and PhytoSerms 347.:cheers:hcgenerate is one of the best test boosting products ive ever used, when stacked with phytoserm 347 it will really give head turning results
i like pp products but i also have no problem paying the money they are asking for hcgenerate. ive used it along my trt and ill tell you the stuff is awesome. alot of people have used sa and like it a lot but if you havent tried hcgenerate you shouldnt judgeUninformed consumers buying because of the mass amount of pimping. Makes me sick and its terrible for the industry.
Does it actually bring back testicular mass like it claims??i like pp products but i also have no problem paying the money they are asking for hcgenerate. ive used it along my trt and ill tell you the stuff is awesome. alot of people have used sa and like it a lot but if you havent tried hcgenerate you shouldnt judge
HCGenerate is great stuff, and we have spoken over the phone on its product value, it may be a little pricey but DELIVERS!i like pp products but i also have no problem paying the money they are asking for hcgenerate. ive used it along my trt and ill tell you the stuff is awesome. alot of people have used sa and like it a lot but if you havent tried hcgenerate you shouldnt judge
Really??JC, pm me your address, and I will send you a free bottle of HCGENERATE from my personal stash to run in your next pct so you can see the difference!
Oh man... Honestly with HCGenerate, PhytoSerms 347, and a SERM... I won't fear shut down from ANY compound.I cannot wait to stack HCGenerate and PhytoSerms 347.:cheers:
Address sent... lol.JC, pm me your address, and I will send you a free bottle of HCGENERATE from my personal stash to run in your next pct so you can see the difference!
It really just comes down to preference. Some like to include into PCT for faster recovery and some like to use on cycle to help minimize shut down and keep libido functioning at full blast.I had just asked the same question at another site. I had decent luck with SA topical but wasn't too fond of the LV. Also, I hear that HCGenerate should be used ON cycle as opposed to PCT to prevent shutdown? Any Need2bm spokesdude have any input?
short answer is yes to an extent.,. heres a link to my logDoes it actually bring back testicular mass like it claims??
not choosing sides here as i do happen to like ntbm products better than pp but thats a bit harsh. trauma is a top notch dude full of knowledge and their new rep rosie is as straight a shooter as ive seen on these boards and knows her sh%tha ha ha, you are funny. didn't know we were telling jokes tonight!
your statement is like the pot calling the kettle black. :cheers:
I love primordial performance reps. they are the best comedians.