Help Guys!!! Newcomer with serious questions.

[kofpsp]

Hey guys. I've been experiencing some awful side effects i believe but I am not sure what it could be from so I am turning to you folks.

I have noticed that I have difficulty gaining or maintaining erection. I am 21 years old and have never had this issue before. It is also quite disturbing as I am involved in a new relationship and I can tell shes not dealing with these difficulties all that well as it is causing her to feel insecure.

I am 21, 206 lbs, 6'2"

Heres what I am taking.

Mass Tabs, 1 pill/day
whey powder
gaspari novedex 2 pill/day
tribulus 450 2 pill/day
ZMA 3 b4 bed

Arginine/Ornithine 500/250 2 pills/day

I am on day 16 of the Mass tabs, started the novedex 2 days ago.

Until a week and a half ago I was taking Lipodrene a ephedra based stimulant. 25 mg per pill plus 100 mg caffiene, 25 mg synepherine.

To support my liver I am taking NAC and Milk Thislte extract daily.

Anyone have any suggestions or answers as to what may be causing my issue?

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

I would start by dropping the Mass Tabs

 

[jomi822]

its probably the ATD in novadex

why the hell are you running novadex xt during cycle?

 

[Cordeen]

its probably the ATD in novadex

why the hell are you running novadex xt during cycle?

I agree with both these comments...especially the first.

Save the Novadex for post cycle therapy...plus consider adding a SERM at that time. Go to Post Cycle Therapy.

Also, seriously consider adding DHEA while "on"...it is usually very good for "On Cycle" libido support....however I am unsure of all the ingredients in Mass Tabs ( I think it's Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol)...one of those ingredients may also be causing the increased estrogen suppression...which I believe is "usually" the culprit causing the loss of sexdrive while "on".

 

[jomi822]

Do not use ATD during post cycle therapy. its a bogus PCT product and it will do you more harm than good. you might as well just throw that ATD in the garbage before you hurt yourself with it.

dhea MIGHT help. it might not

the ingredients in mass tabs are quite capable of shutting down libido by themselves depending on the person. its luck of the draw in some cases. chuck that novadex xt in the garbage and wait a few days to see what happens. if you are still not performing correctly youre going to have to pick up cialis or just stop the cycle.

again, DO NOT USE NOVADEX XT FOR PCT

 

[kofpsp]

I have heard many times now to stay away from the Novedex XT, what in this product will cause harm and in what way?

 

[Rodja]

I have heard many times now to stay away from the Novedex XT, what in this product will cause harm and in what way?

It contains a steroidal AI known as ATD that increases test and lowers estrogen. However, it usually lowers estrogen too much and causes a drop in libido.

 

[Xodus]

Find a better looking girlfriend?

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Just kidding. What these guys have already said.

Ephedra can cause issues with wood too.

 

[kofpsp]

I have been told that I need a synthetic test to go along with the mass tabs as they do not provide a synthetic test... any recommedations as to what I could add to salvage the cycle?

 

[Rodja]

Find a better looking girlfriend?

:nutkick:




Just kidding. What these guys have already said.

Ephedra can cause issues with wood too.

Different reason though.

 

[Xodus]

Different reason though.

Yeah, probably the ATD, as you guys said.

 

[bpmartyr]

I concur with these fine gents. ATD has it's place IMO but on cycle and during PCT are not it.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

I have been told that I need a synthetic test to go along with the mass tabs as they do not provide a synthetic test... any recommedations as to what I could add to salvage the cycle?

Well, since you're already halfway done with the cycle here's what I would do:

1. Drop the novadex
2. Start DHEA at 200mgs per day and take for remainder of cycle
3. Be sure that you have a SERM in line for post cycle therapy

 

[jomi822]

It contains a steroidal AI known as ATD that increases test and lowers estrogen. However, it usually lowers estrogen too much and causes a drop in libido.

half true, it may lower estrogen to the point where libido is affected, but it also actively bind to, and deactivates, the AR.

i posted a study on this forum showing the effects of ATD on the androgen receptor earlier this year if youd like to seek it out. it is an anti androgen by itself, this is what causes a loss in libido, not just the decrease in estrogen

androgens need to bind to the testicles in order for them to regrow, ATD prevents this. guess what that means for post cycle therapy...

 

[pistonpump]

I have been told that I need a synthetic test to go along with the mass tabs as they do not provide a synthetic test... any recommedations as to what I could add to salvage the cycle?

if you wanna stay on the cycle then youll have to sacrifice. THe best thing you could do to try and get your **** working again would be to drop the ATD and get some cialis or viagra. Otherwise you need to get off, whats more important finishing the cycle? or finishing off your girl?

 

[LilPsychotic]

I agree with both these comments...especially the first.

Save the Novadex for post cycle therapy...plus consider adding a SERM at that time. Go to Post Cycle Therapy.

Also, seriously consider adding DHEA while "on"...it is usually very good for "On Cycle" libido support....however I am unsure of all the ingredients in Mass Tabs ( I think it's Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol)...one of those ingredients may also be causing the increased estrogen suppression...which I believe is "usually" the culprit causing the loss of sexdrive while "on".

No, I think mass tabs has a methyl dht derivative in it with a bunch of herbal sh*t shingles.

 

[LilPsychotic]

if you wanna stay on the cycle then youll have to sacrifice. THe best thing you could do to try and get your **** working again would be to drop the ATD and get some cialis or viagra. Otherwise you need to get off, whats more important finishing the cycle? or finishing off your girl?

To answer this question using my special scientific analysis, I'd have to see some visual evidence of the vaginal region in question.

 

[Aggravated]

Mass Tabs are bad news. A group of friends are all shutdown from them. Also they have been diagnosed with high BP and prescribed Naproxen. Yeah they put on some muscle, but they paid a hefty price.

 

[LilPsychotic]

Mass Tabs Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Tablet
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving
Proprietary Mass Tabs Blend: 87,000mcg
Kudzo Extract 40%, Trifolium pratense extract 8%, Fenugreek Seed Powder, Tribulus Terrestris Extract 40%, Stenbolone(tm), Avena Sativa Extract 10:1, Pygeum Africanum Bark Extract 4:1, Milk Thistle, Maca Powder Extract .6%, Epimedium Leaf, Bacopa Monniera Extract 4:1, Rhodiola Rosea 3%, Nettle Leaf Powder.

This is what is in mass tabs, sounds like trouble to me.

 

[pistonpump]

well its the speculation of what stenbolone is that they are referring to. I think its probably superdrol.

 

[kofpsp]

So to combat this shutdown I have been told I need to supplement with a synthetic test. Would DHEA fit the bill in this situation?

I've heard of something called proviron but it doesnt seem readily available.

 

[Wilderbeast]

Forget something stupid like trying to get viagra or cialis. Get aspire36! It's better than both, I know alot of ppl who have used all three and like aspire36 the best by far. It's called "aspire36" because "36" is how many hours you're gonna have a raging boner for. I know. I've used it!

 

[kofpsp]

I would really like to avoid a viagra/cialis type supplement if possible. That would just be more of a bandaid as opposed to a fix for the problem correct? It seems like something serious is happening as I don't think I should have these issues at 21.

 

[LilPsychotic]

well its the speculation of what stenbolone is that they are referring to. I think its probably superdrol.

Well stenbolone is a strange compound. Its the same as methenolone except it has a 2-methyl group instead of the 1-methyl group of methenolone. But perhaps IDS added another methyl group to increase oral activity, I don't know beacause I've seen it listed as "Methyl Stenolone". IDS claims it to be "superdrol with an attitude", whatever the f- that means. I'm always a little suspicious of compounds that nobody knows whats "really" in them, but hell thats half the designers out there.

 

[LilPsychotic]

I would really like to avoid a viagra/cialis type supplement if possible. That would just be more of a bandaid as opposed to a fix for the problem correct? It seems like something serious is happening as I don't think I should have these issues at 21.

Yeah, its called shutdown...there's no test in your system. Try some DHEA, just to get some test circulating.

 

[kofpsp]

What exactly causes the "shutdown"? And how could it have been prevented?

 

[EasyEJL]

having outside androgens in your system causes it. your body thinks there is too much testosterone in your bloodstream, and stops producing its own... if you are prone to it, likely nothing could prevent it. There are a handful of things that might help, but all pretty spotty as far as any documentation or proof that they help.

Shutdown + libido loss are not necessarily 100% related tho, you can maintain libido without getting shutdown, and vice versa as well. most of the time they do go hand in hand

 

[kofpsp]

What are some of these things that may help?

 

[EasyEJL]

In terms of over the counter? almost nothing. really high dosed resveratrol might, its about the only legal one. As far as others go, theres an anti-canniboid drug that was used for treating heroin + opium addicts that seems to maybe work, possibly injecting HCG can work, and possibly the DHEA may work. I think mostly the DHEA leaves you feeling better, doesn't necessarily stop shutdown or suppression. If it was that easy, I think more people would use it more.

 

[neverstop]

HCG makes me want to tear into every woman i see. i would recommend getting that, takes about 2-3 days after first shot to really kick in, then use toremifene for PCT, that brings me back in like 4 days i'm pounding my girl like a rockstar. dont dismiss the viagra though, that ****e is awesome, good fun.

 

[kofpsp]

Where can I find the above listed compounds?

 

[EasyEJL]

to expand on that, the suppression + loss of libido is relatively normal while on cycle. So you will with decent post cycle therapy rebound back, and be as good as before after the cycle is over. so using viagra or cialis temporarily to get thru that period isn't all bad. The only real way to avoid this in the future is to not take anabolics...

 

[NicktheBeast]

What about the crudeness of DHEA? Does anyone think that might be a little too much right now?

 

[EasyEJL]

Where can I find the above listed compounds?

HCG is prescription, so is the cannaboid thingie. I need to write its name down somewhere to remember it next time I find it.

you can get dhea here

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/ultimate-nutrition/dhea-50-mg-100caps-50mg.html

and resveratrol well, its a little touchier, nutraplanet has a couple products with it in it

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/primordial-performance/dermacrine-sustain-7-5-oz.html

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/anabolic-innovations/post-cycle-support-120-caps.html

the post cycle support I would want to at LEAST double dose, if not quadruple dose for offsetting suppression. You can potentially pick up bulk resveratrol as well, but nutraplanet doesn't sell it.

 

[jomi822]

I would really like to avoid a viagra/cialis type supplement if possible. That would just be more of a bandaid as opposed to a fix for the problem correct? It seems like something serious is happening as I don't think I should have these issues at 21.

at 21 with a normal hormone profile you shouldnt have a problem. the problem is you are taking hormonally actively substances and the normal hormone profile of a 21 year old is out the window. you cant think of it like that.

its a problem having to do solely with the compounds you are taking, not your tallywhacker. things will go back to normal once youre off and do pct, which i hope to god involves a serm and not ATD or you are ****ed.

get cialis or viagra as a temporary bandaid.

 

[kofpsp]

Where can I purchase a SERM, and how do I properly use it.
I apologize for all of the simple questions but I obviously was not ready to undertake something like this and now I just want to prevent myself from paying the price.

 

[LilPsychotic]

HCG is prescription, so is the cannaboid thingie. I need to write its name down somewhere to remember it next time I find it.

you can get dhea here

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/ultimate-nutrition/dhea-50-mg-100caps-50mg.html

and resveratrol well, its a little touchier, nutraplanet has a couple products with it in it

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/primordial-performance/dermacrine-sustain-7-5-oz.html

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/anabolic-innovations/post-cycle-support-120-caps.html

the post cycle support I would want to at LEAST double dose, if not quadruple dose for offsetting suppression. You can potentially pick up bulk resveratrol as well, but nutraplanet doesn't sell it.

Marinol, there is also a new cannabiniod out but the name escapes me at the moment.

 

[LilPsychotic]

Where can I purchase a SERM, and how do I properly use it.
I apologize for all of the simple questions but I obviously was not ready to undertake something like this and now I just want to prevent myself from paying the price.

oh sh*t, you're using steroids and you don't have a SERM. You just violated rule #1. What are you planning for post cycle therapy? Please don't say novedex xt. Also, you can't overtly ask where to get serms, and other compounds on the forum. Its against the rules and grounds for dismissal.

 

[pistonpump]

Well stenbolone is a strange compound. Its the same as methenolone except it has a 2-methyl group instead of the 1-methyl group of methenolone. But perhaps IDS added another methyl group to increase oral activity, I don't know beacause I've seen it listed as "Methyl Stenolone". IDS claims it to be "superdrol with an attitude", whatever the f- that means. I'm always a little suspicious of compounds that nobody knows whats "really" in them, but hell thats half the designers out there.

well i rather not turn this thread into a debate about it but im sure that its not stenbolone as they say. Stenbolone is a true steroid that has been out for a long time. I think they are using the name but honestly no telling what it really is, just speculation. This is also different from the majority of designers now because they do list the chemical nomenclature. minus a few...mtst mtrn, maybe a few more.

 

[kofpsp]

Yeah, I am using Mass Tabs, the true ingredients seem to be up in the air. Sten was just one of the more common speculations I had heard. I have also heard some say it may be superdrol or even something else.

I know two people reasonably well that have used mass tabs in my area and pcted with the novedex to good result. I seem to be having a tougher time with the mass tabs than they did though.

Sorry about asking where to obtain things. I wasn't aware.

I'll refrain in the future.

 

[Aggravated]

Well stenbolone is a strange compound. Its the same as methenolone except it has a 2-methyl group instead of the 1-methyl group of methenolone. But perhaps IDS added another methyl group to increase oral activity, I don't know beacause I've seen it listed as "Methyl Stenolone". IDS claims it to be "superdrol with an attitude", whatever the f- that means. I'm always a little suspicious of compounds that nobody knows whats "really" in them, but hell thats half the designers out there.

If it were in fact superdrol with an attitude, then 30mg would be a dangerous dose. Results on 10mg of normal superdrol were reported to be amazing.I just don't like it because it is a double methylated compound, and IDS is a sketchy company. Especially when it comes to their labels. By the way...I have heard these have been made illegal anyway?