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Go to vigorous Steve's YouTube channel. He talks about this in a video. Apparently you can use it to get a small amount above the natural range and build a little extra muscle. It is still going to cause some suppression after discontinuing but you should bounce right back. The doses I'm not sure about but I think they were like 1000 3x a week or something like that. I don't personally know anybody that's actually done it in real life. But he does it with some clients apparentlyI was thinking about trying HCG for a little boost, but I'm not shutdown or post cycle. I don't have bloods, am 34. my test levels are probably considered healthy but I've felt better. seems like estrogen is the main concern with doing HCG so I ordered some SNS inhibit E. I'd rather not run a real AI if possible, but should I?
any dosing recommendations? (looking at 5k IU injectable)
It's also going to raise your estrogen a good amountGo to vigorous Steve's YouTube channel. He talks about this in a video. Apparently you can use it to get a small amount above the natural range and build a little extra muscle. It is still going to cause some suppression after discontinuing but you should bounce right back. The doses I'm not sure about but I think they were like 1000 3x a week or something like that. I don't personally know anybody that's actually done it in real life. But he does it with some clients apparently
I know a lot of people that tried to use clomid on cycle to avoid shutdown and they all were unsuccessful. Some of them had less suppression then they normally would but that was on very low dose short cycles. You really can't have your cake and eat it too. If your worried about suppressing your natural testosterone levels then don't use hormones that suppress your testosterone. That's pretty much the only way about it.Ok thanks I have been and will look into this. Sounds like clomiphene is typically used to prevent shutdown, but i'm guessing there are other options
FSH Suppression During Short Term hCG Administration: A Gonadally Mediated Process
Abstract. Plasma and urinary follicle stimuulating hormone, plasma estradiol, and plasma testosterone were measured prior to and after a 4-day hCG provocatacademic.oup.com
well I don't see anything saying to do HCG for longer than a 5 day period. I don't think you're supposed to stay on it for long at all. maybe that's why?I know a lot of people that tried to use clomid on cycle to avoid shutdown and they all were unsuccessful. Some of them had less suppression then they normally would but that was on very low dose short cycles. You really can't have your cake and eat it too. If your worried about suppressing your natural testosterone levels then don't use hormones that suppress your testosterone. That's pretty much the only way about it.
He has a whole thing about using HCG as a whole cycle, months at a time.well I don't see anything saying to do HCG for longer than a 5 day period. I don't think you're supposed to stay on it for long at all. maybe that's why?
The two things I mentioned in that post the MK and the CJC have nothing to do with testosteronesounds interesting, but I was interested in the long term health benefits rather than just the test boost. it seems like doing a little bit of HCG could prolong/maintain my fertility and natural test production. I still get morning wood but idk I think I used to make more. still don't have kids yet so maintaining healthy sperm kinda matters to me a bit.
I'm not completely against suppression and was considering doing a cycle soon, but I wanna make sure to protect my nuts
Look for the videos he does about starting your first cycle. He talks about how with some guys, before there first cycle he puts them on a hcg cycle to see how high he can get there testosterone levels and build muscle before actually starting a cycle. The hcg cycle could be 6weeks or 6 months depending on how they respond.
I read this page, still gotta watch his video. nothing ever mentions shutdown. mostly just mentions wrangling estrogen. I don't really understand how this drug could both shut down and restore hormone levels
It depends, if you don't get all the emotional side effects from clomid I like clomid better just because it does a better job at recovery. But most people tolerate tamoxifen betterhuh ok. man all the serms sound kinda nasty on the side effects. tamoxifen seems best i guess
I've never heard that before in my life, don't buy that lol.ya I know. I was looking into HCG and some sites said it's made from hamster ovaries? kinda wild to be injecting that
I'll probably grab a SERM just in case, but I'm starting to think my LH is just trash already. supposedly smoking weed is bad for LHHCG mimics LH and thus suppresses LH production. So at least in theory when you stop the HCG, your nuts stop getting the signal to produce test and your LH is low, so no signal to produce test from pituitary gland to nuts either, until your LH recovers.
300iu a week would potentially decrease your test levels if they're healthy.thanks for the info. I was planning on starting with 100iu 3 times a week. i got one 5k iu vial coming but now I'm wondering if I should get another before starting.
so you think a SERM PCT wouldn't be necessary? I was gonna still get some chlomiphine just to keep on hand but hoping to not need it
Honestly pinning twice a week is all you need, but if you want to pin 6 times a week by all means lol.thanks, guess I'll be running 900iu a week. probably going to break it up into more than 3 injections though (thinking 150 x 6) I don't mind pinning. i did get another 5k vial, but might not run it consecutive.
I'll be doing sns inhibit-e, and I have aromasin/chlomiphene on standby. planning on probably only needing a small dose of aromasin, but we will see.
I'll also be doing PEG-MGF. haven't decided on dosing protocol yet. seems like you just inject it post workout or on off days.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but saying something is definitely working does not mean it's definitely working, that is called placebo effect without proof via bloodwork.ok I skipped HCG for a day, been doing about 12mg aromasin a day, estrogen is under control for the most part. gonna skip another day and do 5mg aromasin.
it's definitely working, I feel great. GF likes it too.
gonna start optimize-t today I think
okie erased everything I couldI'm not trying to be a dick, but saying something is definitely working does not mean it's definitely working, that is called placebo effect without proof via bloodwork.
Did you get before blood work and do you plan on doing after blood work because without those two things none of this means anything to anyone other then you.
You 100% cannot judge your hormonal changes on "feel". As a big part of human nature when we want something to work we placebo it into working.
Without bloodwork before and after this is all nothing more then a guess and some placebo effect
I'm not saying you shouldn't talk about what your doing, I'm just say it's not good practice to say things as facts because someone else could come in here and just start copying what your doing. Then there going to be expecting your perceived results.okie erased everything I could
no thanks. everyone was retarded about it when I mentioned doing HCG in the other thread too. when I say I feel great that's obviously my opinion lolI'm not saying you shouldn't talk about what your doing, I'm just say it's not good practice to say things as facts because someone else could come in here and just start copying what your doing. Then there going to be expecting your perceived results.
I also enjoy experimenting and trying out stuff on myself. But we have to be careful what we say, especially in today's age for everybody believes everything they read on the internet lol.
By all means stick with what your doing, just let ppl know that your presenting your opinions, you know what I'm saying?
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