I ran this as my first cycle and it was a great experience builder for dosing, stacking, timing, etc. My kit had the mmv2 in it. I gained 3 pounds and kept every bit of it!! I am a hard gainer and getting older now (50). I have done epi and halo since, and each time i lose either half or all of the gains. Best results, epi 6 lbs lost 3, net gain 3 lbs. My point is that even though the Trifecta stack produces smaller gains, they are lasting! I would do this again, but wanna try the Natadrol next.