GW501516 and cancer?

[bighulksmash]

and again a study that does not accurately calculate HED, they are not using the proper BSA method for HED calculations. The ignorance displayed by these guys is disgusting. If they used the accurate method the HED would be 25mg using a 1/2 kg rat - 180-190lb man..
Trust me my disgust is not aimed at you - it is aimed at the purveyors of misinformation. Its not good when it comes to matters of peoples health and well being.

Exactly iam neutral here just here for knowledgeable information. Will i ever take gw ? Not even if my balls fell off and flushed themselves down the toilet. Love debates .... i better make some popcorn extra hair balls

 

[bighulksmash]

Yep, and do you see how that makes no sense?

I do since its not a naturally occurring thing in our bodies . But are the nay sayers here saying gw is carcinogenic?

 

[StanleyG]

Exactly iam neutral here just here for knowledgeable information. Will i ever take gw ? Not even if my balls fell off and flushed themselves down the toilet. Love debates .... i better make some popcorn extra hair balls

That is what it is all about- sifting through the BS and concluding the truth, for everyone's benefit. It is not personal. Unfortunately in some cases it can become so and I myself have allowed myself to get involved in that. I am far from perfect. I just wanted to make clear that my obvious disgust was not directed in any way towards you. Pass the popcorn....

 

[bighulksmash]

That is what it is all about- sifting through the BS and concluding the truth, for everyone's benefit. It is not personal. Unfortunately in some cases it can become so and I myself have allowed myself to get involved in that. I am far from perfect. I just wanted to make clear that my obvious disgust was not directed in any way towards you. Pass the popcorn....

Ok ill be back ...

 

[jbryand101b]

And dang, I just spent 70$ in the auction forum buying 2 bottles of cardarine. Oh well. Hope I don't get cancer from .....
Known human carcinogens

International Agency for Research on Cancer
Group 1: Carcinogenic to humans

Acetaldehyde (from consuming alcoholic beverages)
Acheson process, occupational exposure associated with
Acid mists, strong inorganic
Aflatoxins
Alcoholic beverages
Aluminum production
4-Aminobiphenyl
Areca nut
Aristolochic acid (and plants containing it)
Arsenic and inorganic arsenic compounds
Asbestos (all forms) and mineral substances (such as talc or vermiculite) that contain asbestos
Auramine production
Azathioprine
Benzene
Benzidine and dyes metabolized to benzidine
Benzo[a]pyrene
Beryllium and beryllium compounds
Betel quid, with or without tobacco
Bis(chloromethyl)ether and chloromethyl methyl ether (technical-grade)
Busulfan
1,3-Butadiene
Cadmium and cadmium compounds
Chlorambucil
Chlornaphazine
Chromium (VI) compounds
Clonorchis sinensis (infection with), also known as the Chinese liver fluke
Coal, indoor emissions from household combustion
Coal gasification
Coal-tar distillation
Coal-tar pitch
Coke production
Cyclophosphamide
Cyclosporine
1,2-Dichloropropane
Diethylstilbestrol
Engine exhaust, diesel
Epstein-Barr virus (infection with)
Erionite
Estrogen postmenopausal therapy
Estrogen-progestogen postmenopausal therapy (combined)
Estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives (combined) (Note: There is also convincing evidence in humans that these agents confer a protective effect against cancer in the endometrium and ovary)
Ethanol in alcoholic beverages
Ethylene oxide
Etoposide
Etoposide in combination with cisplatin and bleomycin
Fission products, including strontium-90
Fluoro-edenite fibrous amphibole
Formaldehyde
Haematite mining (underground)
Helicobacter pylori (infection with)
Hepatitis B virus (chronic infection with)
Hepatitis C virus (chronic infection with)
Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) (infection with)
Human papilloma virus (HPV) types 16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59 (infection with) (Note: The HPV types that have been classified as carcinogenic to humans can differ by an order of magnitude in risk for cervical cancer)
Human T-cell lymphotropic virus type I (HTLV-1) (infection with)
Ionizing radiation (all types)
Iron and steel founding (workplace exposure)
Isopropyl alcohol manufacture using strong acids
Kaposi sarcoma herpesvirus (KSHV), also known as human herpesvirus 8 (HHV-8) (infection with)
Leather dust
Magenta production
Melphalan
Methoxsalen (8-methoxypsoralen) plus ultraviolet A radiation, also known as PUVA
4,4'-Methylenebis(chloroaniline) (MOCA)
Mineral oils, untreated or mildly treated
MOPP and other combined chemotherapy including alkylating agents
2-Naphthylamine
Neutron radiation
Nickel compounds
N'-Nitrosonornicotine (NNN) and 4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK)
Opisthorchis viverrini (infection with), also known as the Southeast Asian liver fluke
Outdoor air pollution and the particulate matter in it
Painter (workplace exposure as a)
3,4,5,3',4'-Pentachlorobiphenyl (PCB-126)
2,3,4,7,8-Pentachlorodibenzofuran
Phenacetin (and mixtures containing it)
Phosphorus-32, as phosphate
Plutonium
Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxin-like, with a Toxicity Equivalency Factor according to WHO (PCBs 77, 81, 105, 114, 118, 123, 126, 156, 157, 167, 169, 189)
Radioiodines, including iodine-131
Radionuclides, alpha-particle-emitting, internally deposited (Note: Specific radionuclides for which there is sufficient evidence for carcinogenicity to humans are also listed individually as Group 1 agents)
Radionuclides, beta-particle-emitting, internally deposited (Note: Specific radionuclides for which there is sufficient evidence for carcinogenicity to humans are also listed individually as Group 1 agents)
Radium-224 and its decay products
Radium-226 and its decay products
Radium-228 and its decay products
Radon-222 and its decay products
Rubber manufacturing industry
Salted fish (Chinese-style)
Schistosoma haematobium (infection with)
Semustine (methyl-CCNU)
Shale oils
Silica dust, crystalline, in the form of quartz or cristobalite
Solar radiation
Soot (as found in workplace exposure of chimney sweeps)
Sulfur mustard
Tamoxifen (Note: There is also conclusive evidence that tamoxifen reduces the risk of contralateral breast cancer in breast cancer patients)
2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-para-dioxin
Thiotepa
Thorium-232 and its decay products
Tobacco, smokeless
Tobacco smoke, secondhand
Tobacco smoking
ortho-Toluidine
Treosulfan
Trichloroethylene
Ultraviolet (UV) radiation, including UVA, UVB, and UVC rays
Ultraviolet-emitting tanning devices
Vinyl chloride
Wood dust
X- and Gamma-radiation
National Toxicology Program 13th Report on Carcinogens
“Known to be human carcinogens”

 

[jbryand101b]

Aflatoxins
Alcoholic beverage consumption
4-Aminobiphenyl
Analgesic mixtures containing phenacetin
Aristolochic acids
Arsenic and inorganic arsenic compounds
Asbestos
Azathioprine
Benzene
Benzidine
Beryllium and beryllium compounds
Bis(chloromethyl) ether and technical-grade chloromethyl methyl ether
1,3-Butadiene
1,4-Butanediol dimethylsulfonate (also known as busulfan)
Cadmium and cadmium compounds
Chlorambucil
1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-(4-methylcyclohexyl)-1-nitrosourea (MeCCNU)
Chromium hexavalent compounds
Coal tar pitches
Coal tars
Coke oven emissions
Cyclophosphamide
Cyclosporin A
Diethylstilbestrol (DES)
Dyes metabolized to benzidine
Erionite
Estrogens, steroidal
Ethylene oxide
Formaldehyde
Hepatitis B virus
Hepatitis C virus
Human papilloma viruses: some genital-mucosal types
Melphalan
Methoxsalen with ultraviolet A therapy (PUVA)
Mineral oils (untreated and mildly treated)
Mustard gas
2-Naphthylamine
Neutrons
Nickel compounds
Oral tobacco products
Radon
Silica, crystalline (respirable size)
Solar radiation
Soots
Strong inorganic acid mists containing sulfuric acid
Sunlamps or sunbeds, exposure to
Tamoxifen
2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD); "dioxin"
Thiotepa
Thorium dioxide
Tobacco smoke, environmental
Tobacco, smokeless
Tobacco smoking
o‑Toluidine
Vinyl chloride
Ultraviolet (UV) radiation, broad spectrum
Wood dust
X-radiation and gamma radiation
Probable carcinogens

International Agency for Research on Cancer
Group 2A: Probably carcinogenic to humans

Acrylamide
Adriamycin (doxorubicin)
Androgenic (anabolic) steroids
Art glass, glass containers, and press ware (manufacture of)
Azacitidine
Biomass fuel (primarily wood), emissions from household combustion
Bischloroethyl nitrosourea (BCNU), also known as carmustine
Captafol
Carbon electrode manufacture
Chloral
Chloral hydrate
Chloramphenicol
alpha-Chlorinated toluenes (benzal chloride, benzotrichloride, benzyl chloride) and benzoyl chloride (combined exposures)
1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-cyclohexyl-1-nitrosourea (CCNU)
4-Chloro-ortho-toluidine
Chlorozotocin
Cisplatin
Cobalt metal with tungsten carbide
Creosotes
Cyclopenta[cd]pyrene
Diazinon
Dibenz[a,j]acridine
Dibenz[a,h]anthracene
Dibenzo[a,l]pyrene
Dichloromethane (methylene chloride)
Diethyl sulfate
Dimethylcarbamoyl chloride
1,2-Dimethylhydrazine
Dimethyl sulfate
Epichlorohydrin
Ethyl carbamate (urethane)
Ethylene dibromide
N-Ethyl-N-nitrosourea
Frying, emissions from high-temperature
Glycidol
Glyphosate
Hairdresser or barber (workplace exposure as)
Human papillomavirus (HPV) type 68 (infection with)
Indium phosphide
IQ (2-Amino-3-methylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoline)
Lead compounds, inorganic
Malaria (caused by infection with Plasmodium falciparum)
Malathion
Mate, hot
Merkel cell polyomavirus (MCV)
5-Methoxypsoralen
Methyl methanesulfonate
N-Methyl-N´-nitro-N-nitrosoguanidine (MNNG)
N-Methyl-N-nitrosourea
Nitrate or nitrite (ingested) under conditions that result in endogenous nitrosation
6-Nitrochrysene
Nitrogen mustard
1-Nitropyrene
N-Nitrosodiethylamine
N-Nitrosodimethylamine
2-Nitrotoluene
Non-arsenical insecticides (workplace exposures in spraying and application of)
Petroleum refining (workplace exposures in)
Pioglitazone
Polybrominated biphenyls (PBBs)
Procarbazine hydrochloride
1,3-Propane sultone
Shiftwork that involves circadian disruption
Styrene-7,8-oxide
Teniposide
Tetrachloroethylene (perchloroethylene)
Tetrafluoroethylene
Trichloroethylene
1,2,3-Trichloropropane
Tris(2,3-dibromopropyl) phosphate
Vinyl bromide (Note: For practical purposes, vinyl bromide should be considered to act similarly to the human carcinogen vinyl chloride.)
Vinyl fluoride (Note: For practical purposes, vinyl fluoride should be considered to act similarly to the human carcinogen vinyl chloride.)
National Toxicology Program 13th Report on Carcinogens
“Reasonably anticipated to be human carcinogens”

Acetaldehyde

 

[jbryand101b]

Acetylaminofluorene
Acrylamide
Acrylonitrile
Adriamycin (doxorubicin hydrochloride)
2-Aminoanthraquinone
o-Aminoazotoluene
1-Amino-2,4-dibromoanthraquinone
1-Amino-2-methylanthraquinone
2-Amino-3,4-dimethylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoline (MeIQ)
2-Amino-3,8-dimethylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoxaline (MeIQx)
2-Amino-3-methylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoline (IQ)
2-Amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo[4,5-b]pyridine (PhIP)
Amitrole
o-Anisidine and its hydrochloride
Azacitidine (5-Azacytidine, 5-AzaC)
Basic Red 9 Monohydrochloride
Benz[a]anthracene
Benzofluoranthene
Benzo[j]fluoranthene
Benzo[k]fluoranthene
Benzo[a]pyrene
Benzotrichloride
2, 2-bis-(bromoethyl)-1,3-propanediol (technical grade)
Bromodichloromethane
1-Bromopropane
Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA)
Captafol
Carbon tetrachloride
Ceramic fibers (respirable size)
Chloramphenicol
Chlorendic acid
Chlorinated paraffins (C12, 60% chlorine)
Chloroform
1-(2-chloroethyl)-3-cyclohexyl-1-nitrosourea
Bis(chloroethyl) nitrosourea
3-Chloro-2-methylpropene
4-Chloro-o-phenylenediamine
Chloroprene
p-Chloro-o-toluidine and p-chloro-o-toluidine hydrochloride
Chlorozotocin
Cisplatin
Cobalt sulfate
Cobalt-tungsten carbide: powders and hard metals
p-Cresidine
Cumene
Cupferron
Dacarbazine
Danthron (1,8-dihydroxyanthraquinone)
2,4-Diaminoanisole sulfate
2,4-Diaminotoluene
Diazoaminobenzene
Dibenz[a,h]acridine
Dibenz[a,j]acridine
Dibenz[a,h]anthracene
7H-Dibenzo[c,g]carbazole
Dibenzo[a,e]pyrene
Dibenzo[a,h]pyrene
Dibenzo[a,i]pyrene
Dibenzo[a,l]pyrene
1,2-Dibromo-3-chloropropane
1,2-Dibromoethane (ethylene dibromide)
2,3-Dibromo-1-propanol
Tris (2,3-dibromopropyl) phosphate
1,4-Dichlorobenzene
3,3'-Dichlorobenzidine and 3,3'-dichlorobenzidine dihydrochloride
Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT)
1,2-Dichloroethane (ethylene dichloride)
Dichloromethane (methylene chloride)
1,3-Dichloropropene (technical grade)
Diepoxybutane
Diesel exhaust particulates
Diethyl sulfate
Diglycidyl resorcinol ether
3,3'-Dimethoxybenzidine
4-Dimethylaminoazobenzene
3,3'-Dimethylbenzidine
Dimethylcarbamoyl chloride
1,1-Dimethylhydrazine
Dimethyl sulfate
Dimethylvinyl chloride
1,6-Dinitropyrene
1,8-Dinitropyrene
1,4-Dioxane
Disperse blue 1
Dyes metabolized to 3,3'-dimethoxybenzidine
Dyes metabolized to 3,3'-dimethylbenzidine
Epichlorohydrin
Ethylene thiourea
Ethyl methanesulfonate
Furan
Glass wool fibers (inhalable)
Glycidol
Hexachlorobenzene
Hexachlorocyclohexane isomers
Hexachloroethane
Hexamethylphosphoramide
Hydrazine and hydrazine sulfate
Hydrazobenzene
Indeno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene
Iron dextran complex
Isoprene
Kepone (chlordecone)
Lead and lead compounds
Lindane, hexachlorocyclohexane
2-Methylaziridine (propylenimine)
5-Methylchrysene
4,4'-Methylenebis(2-chloroaniline)
4-4'-Methylenebis(N,N-dimethyl)benzenamine
4,4'-Methylenedianiline and its dihydrochloride salt
Methyleugenol
Methyl methanesulfonate
N-methyl-N'-nitro-N-nitrosoguanidine
Metronidazole
Michler’s ketone [4,4'-(dimethylamino) benzophenone]
Mirex
Naphthalene
Nickel, metallic
Nitrilotriacetic acid
o-Nitroanisole
Nitrobenzene
6-Nitrochrysene
Nitrofen (2,4-dichlorophenyl-p-nitrophenyl ether)
Nitrogen mustard hydrochloride
Nitromethane
2-Nitropropane
1-Nitropyrene
4-Nitropyrene
N-nitrosodi-n-butylamine
N-nitrosodiethanolamine
N-nitrosodiethylamine
N-nitrosodimethylamine
N-nitrosodi-n-propylamine
N-nitroso-N-ethylurea
4-(N-nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone
N-nitroso-N-methylurea
N-nitrosomethylvinylamine
N-nitrosomorpholine
N-nitrosonornicotine
N-nitrosopiperidine
N-nitrosopyrrolidine
N-nitrososarcosine
o-Nitrotoluene
Norethisterone
Ochratoxin A
4,4'-Oxydianiline
Oxymetholone
Pentachlorophenol and by-products of its synthesis
Phenacetin
Phenazopyridine hydrochloride
Phenolphthalein
Phenoxybenzamine hydrochloride
Phenytoin and phenytoin sodium
Polybrominated biphenyls (PBBs)
Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs)
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs)
Procarbazine and its hydrochloride
Progesterone
1,3-Propane sultone
beta-Propiolactone
Propylene oxide
Propylthiouracil
Reserpine
Riddelliine
Safrole
Selenium sulfide
Streptozotocin
Styrene
Styrene-7,8-oxide
Sulfallate
Tetrachloroethylene (perchloroethylene)
Tetrafluoroethylene
Tetranitromethane
Thioacetamide
4,4'-Thiodianaline
Thiourea
Toluene diisocyanates
Toxaphene
Trichloroethylene
2,4,6-Trichlorophenol
1,2,3-Trichloropropane
Tris(2,3-dibromopropyl) phosphate
Ultraviolet A radiation
Ultraviolet B radiation
Ultraviolet C radiation
Urethane
Vinyl bromide
4-Vinyl-1-cyclohexene diepoxide
Vinyl fluoride
Additional resources

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Cancer Clusters

 

[T-Bone]

I took it, and it was a stupid decision. I just wanted to see if it was the miracle "pill" it was hyped up to be. "Burn fat all day without losing muscle. Turns your body into a fat burning-muscle burning machine, endurance like that of Lance Armstrong."....Nope it sounded too good to be true, and guess what?. It was too good to be true. I admit it had an extreme effect of lowering blood sugar to the point that I had to eat every hour or so and it had to be carbs, otherwise I'd fall asleep or get extremely dizzy and thought I might faint. Other than that it had no effects. I got more endurance from Osta.

 

[jbryand101b]

Whew, let's all start going through EVERYTHING in our house an check for then get rid of anything containing any of these

Anyone got any meth? Gonna be a long night.....

Oh yea, link to resource....
http://m.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/generalinformationaboutcarcinogens/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens

 

[bighulksmash]

And dang, I just spent 70$ in the auction forum buying 2 bottles of cardarine. Oh well. Hope I don't get cancer from .....
Known human carcinogens

International Agency for Research on Cancer
Group 1: Carcinogenic to humans

Acetaldehyde (from consuming alcoholic beverages)
Acheson process, occupational exposure associated with
Acid mists, strong inorganic
Aflatoxins
Alcoholic beverages
Aluminum production
4-Aminobiphenyl
Areca nut
Aristolochic acid (and plants containing it)
Arsenic and inorganic arsenic compounds
Asbestos (all forms) and mineral substances (such as talc or vermiculite) that contain asbestos
Auramine production
Azathioprine
Benzene
Benzidine and dyes metabolized to benzidine
Benzo[a]pyrene
Beryllium and beryllium compounds
Betel quid, with or without tobacco
Bis(chloromethyl)ether and chloromethyl methyl ether (technical-grade)
Busulfan
1,3-Butadiene
Cadmium and cadmium compounds
Chlorambucil
Chlornaphazine
Chromium (VI) compounds
Clonorchis sinensis (infection with), also known as the Chinese liver fluke
Coal, indoor emissions from household combustion
Coal gasification
Coal-tar distillation
Coal-tar pitch
Coke production
Cyclophosphamide
Cyclosporine
1,2-Dichloropropane
Diethylstilbestrol
Engine exhaust, diesel
Epstein-Barr virus (infection with)
Erionite
Estrogen postmenopausal therapy
Estrogen-progestogen postmenopausal therapy (combined)
Estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives (combined) (Note: There is also convincing evidence in humans that these agents confer a protective effect against cancer in the endometrium and ovary)
Ethanol in alcoholic beverages
Ethylene oxide
Etoposide
Etoposide in combination with cisplatin and bleomycin
Fission products, including strontium-90
Fluoro-edenite fibrous amphibole
Formaldehyde
Haematite mining (underground)
Helicobacter pylori (infection with)
Hepatitis B virus (chronic infection with)
Hepatitis C virus (chronic infection with)
Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) (infection with)
Human papilloma virus (HPV) types 16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59 (infection with) (Note: The HPV types that have been classified as carcinogenic to humans can differ by an order of magnitude in risk for cervical cancer)
Human T-cell lymphotropic virus type I (HTLV-1) (infection with)
Ionizing radiation (all types)
Iron and steel founding (workplace exposure)
Isopropyl alcohol manufacture using strong acids
Kaposi sarcoma herpesvirus (KSHV), also known as human herpesvirus 8 (HHV-8) (infection with)
Leather dust
Magenta production
Melphalan
Methoxsalen (8-methoxypsoralen) plus ultraviolet A radiation, also known as PUVA
4,4'-Methylenebis(chloroaniline) (MOCA)
Mineral oils, untreated or mildly treated
MOPP and other combined chemotherapy including alkylating agents
2-Naphthylamine
Neutron radiation
Nickel compounds
N'-Nitrosonornicotine (NNN) and 4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK)
Opisthorchis viverrini (infection with), also known as the Southeast Asian liver fluke
Outdoor air pollution and the particulate matter in it
Painter (workplace exposure as a)
3,4,5,3',4'-Pentachlorobiphenyl (PCB-126)
2,3,4,7,8-Pentachlorodibenzofuran
Phenacetin (and mixtures containing it)
Phosphorus-32, as phosphate
Plutonium
Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxin-like, with a Toxicity Equivalency Factor according to WHO (PCBs 77, 81, 105, 114, 118, 123, 126, 156, 157, 167, 169, 189)
Radioiodines, including iodine-131
Radionuclides, alpha-particle-emitting, internally deposited (Note: Specific radionuclides for which there is sufficient evidence for carcinogenicity to humans are also listed individually as Group 1 agents)
Radionuclides, beta-particle-emitting, internally deposited (Note: Specific radionuclides for which there is sufficient evidence for carcinogenicity to humans are also listed individually as Group 1 agents)
Radium-224 and its decay products
Radium-226 and its decay products
Radium-228 and its decay products
Radon-222 and its decay products
Rubber manufacturing industry
Salted fish (Chinese-style)
Schistosoma haematobium (infection with)
Semustine (methyl-CCNU)
Shale oils
Silica dust, crystalline, in the form of quartz or cristobalite
Solar radiation
Soot (as found in workplace exposure of chimney sweeps)
Sulfur mustard
Tamoxifen (Note: There is also conclusive evidence that tamoxifen reduces the risk of contralateral breast cancer in breast cancer patients)
2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-para-dioxin
Thiotepa
Thorium-232 and its decay products
Tobacco, smokeless
Tobacco smoke, secondhand
Tobacco smoking
ortho-Toluidine
Treosulfan
Trichloroethylene
Ultraviolet (UV) radiation, including UVA, UVB, and UVC rays
Ultraviolet-emitting tanning devices
Vinyl chloride
Wood dust
X- and Gamma-radiation
National Toxicology Program 13th Report on Carcinogens
“Known to be human carcinogens”

Lol nice summary

 

[jbryand101b]

Btw, nolva aka tamoxifen is listed as a cancer causing agent, and know carcinogen

 

[bighulksmash]

Whew, let's all start going through EVERYTHING in our house an check for then get rid of anything containing any of these

Anyone got any meth? Gonna be a long night.....

Oh yea, link to resource....
http://m.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/generalinformationaboutcarcinogens/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens

U listed a few key ingredients haha minus the suda fed

 

[StanleyG]

Btw, nolva aka tamoxifen is listed as a cancer causing agent, and know carcinogen

Extremely weak and cop out argument there jb (your list & tamox statement) .Enough data on Tamoxifen exists that we know the effects are dosage and duration dependent and that for our purposed the doses and durations we use, even if run your entire cycle, do not put you into the danger or risk zone for cancer.
That is not known with GW. It is an unknown. Why would you knowingly take something that in very short studies and very comparable HED caused cancer? Especially when you have a choice not to? I mean for me when you look at the benefits (or lack thereof) of GW and factor even the potential cancer risk its a no brainier not to touch the stuff.
You list post is absurd and to anyone intelligently participating in this debate it will be viewed as such.

 

[BamBam0319]

Y'all need to poke some smot and hit a workout together....
We're all gonna die someday lol, can't live our lives in total fear of anything and everything that might potentially be harmful to our health. It's good to keep in mind, true.
Bottom line, if you're not okay with taking GW, don't. If someone wants to, even being aware of the risks, then so be it. I'm taking it and enjoying it.
Countless people use AAS and ph/ds with full knowledge of the possibility of having to be on HRT for the rest of their lives, and potential damage to various organs and systems... Doesn't stop them.

Just my $0.02, I'm just a meathead simpleton so don't take anything I say to heart or too seriously lol

 

[cmetrader]

" Btw, nolva aka tamoxifen is listed as a cancer causing agent, and know carcinogen "





This is one of the reason for the creation of Ostarine/MK-2866 by GTx to avoid those side effects!

 

[T-Bone]

Y'all need to poke some smot and hit a workout together....
We're all gonna die someday lol, can't live our lives in total fear of anything and everything that might potentially be harmful to our health. It's good to keep in mind, true.
Bottom line, if you're not okay with taking GW, don't. If someone wants to, even being aware of the risks, then so be it. I'm taking it and enjoying it.
Countless people use AAS and ph/ds with full knowledge of the possibility of having to be on HRT for the rest of their lives, and potential damage to various organs and systems... Doesn't stop them.

Just my $0.02, I'm just a meathead simpleton so don't take anything I say to heart or too seriously lol

 

[T-Bone]

" Btw, nolva aka tamoxifen is listed as a cancer causing agent, and know carcinogen "





This is one of the reason for the creation of Ostarine/MK-2866 by GTx to avoid those side effects!

Yeah Ostarine actually does improve my endurance. It's a much better product.

 

[BamBam0319]

*me when I've had a few too many drinks*

 

[T-Bone]

*me when I've had a few too many drinks*

Or Bam Bam Bigelow!

 

[bighulksmash]

Or Bam Bam Bigelow!

https://youtu.be/XKpODqCbMro just for u guy's! !

 

[T-Bone]

https://youtu.be/XKpODqCbMro just for u guy's! !

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/10/07/ex-wrestler-superfly-snuka-going-to-trial-in-woman-death/

 

[bighulksmash]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/10/07/ex-wrestler-superfly-snuka-going-to-trial-in-woman-death/

Wow do u think gw was cause of death?

 

[T-Bone]

Wow do u think gw was cause of death?

What the....? Yes we are way off topic.

 

[BamBam0319]

What the....? Yes we are way off topic.

Wow do u think gw was cause of death?

Lmao. Do you think GW can cause roid rage?

 

[jbryand101b]

I'm just worried about my prostrate, as androgens are linked to prostrate cancer! I'm just gonna smoke weed...wait, lung cancer....ah!

 

[bighulksmash]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/10/07/ex-wrestler-superfly-snuka-going-to-trial-in-woman-death/

fftopic:

 

[bighulksmash]

Lmao. Do you think GW can cause roid rage?

What the....? Yes we are way off topic.

Oops idk why i wrote gw i meant to write js jimmy snuka

 

[StanleyG]

I'm just worried about my prostrate, as androgens are linked to prostrate cancer! I'm just gonna smoke weed...wait, lung cancer....ah!

Maybe you can enlighten me as to where the "prostrate" is there jb ?

 

[BamBam0319]

Maybe you can enlighten me as to where the "prostrate" is there jb ?

Aw come on let's not nitpick grammar and spelling apparently that's what's wrong with this forum or something lol

 

[StanleyG]

Aw come on let's not nitpick grammar and spelling apparently that's what's wrong with this forum or something lol

LOL, yeah the sad thing is I doubt its a grammar or spelling issue in this case but hey I digress .......

 

[BamBam0319]

I just like big booty betches

 

[bighulksmash]

I just like big booty betches

I like perky bleach blonds with a California ponytail and yoga pants

 

[BamBam0319]

I like perky bleach blonds with a California ponytail and yoga pants

I like most of the females that go to my gym... *Hard* to keep focus

 

[bighulksmash]

I like most of the females that go to my gym... *Hard* to keep focus

Hell when they start jogging on the treadmill in my head thats a mating ritual. .. somewhere in the world thats probably the case.

 

[BamBam0319]

Hell when they start jogging on the treadmill in my head thats a mating ritual. .. somewhere in the world thats probably the case.

When they start squatting in front of me.......

 

[bighulksmash]

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[pogue]

And dang, I just spent 70$ in the auction forum buying 2 bottles of cardarine. Oh well. Hope I don't get cancer from .....
Known human carcinogens

International Agency for Research on Cancer
Group 1: Carcinogenic to humans

Acetaldehyde (from consuming alcoholic beverages)
...

It's an incredibly disingenuous argument, and again, a logical fallacy to just argue that since everything causes cancer who cares, I'll just take something anyway.

" Btw, nolva aka tamoxifen is listed as a cancer causing agent, and know carcinogen "





This is one of the reason for the creation of Ostarine/MK-2866 by GTx to avoid those side effects!

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Tamoxifen, an anti-estrogen SERM is going to take place of a pro-androgen SARM?

If your argument is that tamoxifen causes cancer - a substance typically prescribed to women recovering from breast cancer to lower overall estrogen, then I'm not sure your argument in favor of the inverse, namely SARMs, makes any sense.

 

[jbryand101b]

Aw come on let's not nitpick grammar and spelling apparently that's what's wrong with this forum or something lol

I type on my phone and am at work . I just post we goes into it.

 

[jbryand101b]

It's an incredibly disingenuous argument, and again, a logical fallacy to just argue that since everything causes cancer who cares, I'll just take something anyway.



I'm not sure what you mean by this. Tamoxifen, an anti-estrogen SERM is going to take place of a pro-androgen SARM?

If your argument is that tamoxifen causes cancer - a substance typically prescribed to women recovering from breast cancer to lower overall estrogen, then I'm not sure your argument in favor of the inverse, namely SARMs, makes any sense.

So your picking which cancer causing agents you want to use and cardarine is on the list of things you don't want to risk. Got it.

 

[StanleyG]

So your picking which cancer causing agents you want to use and cardarine is on the list of things you don't want to risk. Got it.

No he is using common sense. It is a fact that tamoxifen and cancer is dose and duration dependent and we do not ever approach either factors where the risk for cancer even starts.
This info is not known with GW. What is known is that is has been shown to cause cancer at a HED we would use and the rest is an unknown. So rather than roll the dice on a carcinogenic with all those unknown factors and the ones we do know about it fall right into our wheelhouse he would pass.
He makes perfect sense because he has no stake in the game or agenda like you do or have all along. Also he is probably more intelligent than you are based on his post and yours. Stop trying to pass off ridiculously foolish analogies and use your head for just a minute. You would be better off not even posting or responding if your response is going to be so blatantly ignorant.

 

[yates84]

So your picking which cancer causing agents you want to use and cardarine is on the list of things you don't want to risk. Got it.

Be careful bro, they are both much more intelligent! Your Google game is not on their level

 

[yates84]

No he is using common sense. It is a fact that tamoxifen and cancer is dose and duration dependent and we do not ever approach either factors where the risk for cancer even starts.
This info is not known with GW. What is known is that is has been shown to cause cancer at a HED we would use and the rest is an unknown. So rather than roll the dice on a carcinogenic with all those unknown factors and the ones we do know about it fall right into our wheelhouse he would pass.
He makes perfect sense because he has no stake in the game or agenda like you do or have all along. Also he is probably more intelligent than you are based on his post and yours. Stop trying to pass off ridiculously foolish analogies and use your head for just a minute. You would be better off not even posting or responding if your response is going to be so blatantly ignorant.

You're the ignorant party here, the man makes a very valid point. It's also very obvious that you are the main person here with an agenda, your only purpose here is research chemical bashing. It's pretty sad that you have to remind yourself of your intelligence every post and put others down because they aren't the Google "ninja" that you are. We actually like to get out from behind the computer and lift weights and live this thing called life. Maybe you should try that sometime.

 

[StanleyG]

You're the ignorant party here, the man makes a very valid point. It's also very obvious that you are the main person here with an agenda, your only purpose here is research chemical bashing. It's pretty sad that you have to remind yourself of your intelligence every post and put others down because they aren't the Google "ninja" that you are. We actually like to get out from behind the computer and lift weights and live this thing called life. Maybe you should try that sometime.

Valid point my ass, your out of your mind.
Oh and btw I have lived this lifestyle for over 20 years. I have lifted more weights and eaten more clean meals than you likely ever will man so save the behind the keyboard google ninja BS. I walk the walk that is why I am respected like I am am an write for several forums like I do. Say whatever you want but once again jb uses a BS analogy to try to support some straw man contention. THATS the real deal!

 

[yates84]

Valid point my ass, your out of your mind.
Oh and btw I have lived this lifestyle for over 20 years. I have lifted more weights and eaten more clean meals than you likely ever will man so save the behind the keyboard google ninja BS. I walk the walk that is why I am respected like I am am an write for several forums like I do. Say whatever you want but once again jb uses a BS analogy to try to support some straw man contention. THATS the real deal!

Wow, I write for different fitness entities and am out of my 20's as well. I guess we're like twins then!

 

[yates84]

And that's the real deal!

 

[tballz]

You're the ignorant party here, the man makes a very valid point. It's also very obvious that you are the main person here with an agenda, your only purpose here is research chemical bashing. It's pretty sad that you have to remind yourself of your intelligence every post and put others down because they aren't the Google "ninja" that you are. We actually like to get out from behind the computer and lift weights and live this thing called life. Maybe you should try that sometime.

This is absolutely ridiculous. I usually just lurk and read but I have to post when I see garbage like this. One rep running the rescue of another that has posted something that is dead wrong. Talk about an ignorant party? This is so transparent it makes me sick. If anybody in this thread is a goggle ninja it sure as hell is not Stanley, it more likely is jb or you yates. Based on both of your posts Id say thats a more accurate monicker for you guys.

 

[yates84]

This is absolutely ridiculous. I usually just lurk and read but I have to post when I see garbage like this. One rep running the rescue of another that has posted something that is dead wrong. Talk about an ignorant party? This is so transparent it makes me sick. If anybody in this thread is a goggle ninja it sure as hell is not Stanley, it more likely is jb or you yates. Based on both of your posts Id say thats a more accurate monicker for you guys.

Why's it always gotta be about being a rep? I like gw because it is a very useful compound imo. Obviously you don't feel the same so let's just disagree and not make this into something that it really isnt.

 

[mountainman33]

Just my $.02 but I'm a member of a gear group on FB and there are a large number of people who have or are using GW and have seen and continue to see results with it. No rep interjection either.

 

[tballz]

Why's it always gotta be about beingl a rep? I like gw because it is a very useful compound imo. Obviously you don't feel the same so let's just disagree and not make this into something that it really isnt.

Sounds good to me. I will not get into a pissing contest with anyone. All I do know is that Stanley certainly knows his stuff, you cannot deny that and calling him a google ninja was pretty funny and inaccurate but that is between the 2 of you I suppose. Have a good weekend, I plan on it!

 

[hamdysayed]

Damn, I thought things calmed down here but it still intense as sh!t.