Gr-Easy EJL's fish oil megadosing ala Charles Poliquin thread

[sweetdaddy]

I was cutting for a few weeks and didn't see much fat loss on scale or mirror, added 24g/day of vitamin shoppe fish oil and started losing ~1 lb/week on the scale and looking better. Eventually my strength strated to fall off so I stopped cutting but the Vitamin SHoppe liquid seems pretty good and it's affordable. Although when I added it to a shake, all i could taste was OILY LEMON-LIME. Tastes much better in a spoon and down the hatch.

 

[xjsynx]

Yeah I got that, but it came out on a chat board that t-nation was hosting that he in fact did use Mag10. That's what the big stink was over was the fact the he blatantly said he didn't.

Either way, he still made an amazing transformation. I will say I enjoyed his routines although I like Chad Waterbury a little better.

Well if that is true he shouldn't be shouting from the roof tops that he it was a drug-free transformation.

Anywho, to in addendum to this thread, here is CT's quote on Mega-Dosing Fish Oil

Fish Oil
One mistake I made when I underwent my original transformation was that I didn't include enough fish oil. I now firmly believe that mega-dosing fish oil is one of the best strategies you can use to impart drastic body comp changes to your physique.

When in a rapid fat loss phase, most of my clients will ingest at least 15g of fish oil, sometimes up to 30-40g. I personally use 30g per day. I like to use one or two servings of Flameout per day and I make up the rest with a good blend of fish oil.

I do split the intake of fish oil throughout the day, normally at 3 to 5g per meal over five or six meals a day. (I don't take it post-workout.)

 

[Distilled Water]

I was going to try this when I start my CKD. Anyone know if there is any benifit from liquid over caps.

If not than in hitting up CNW they have an un-beatable deal on fish oil. It'll be a pain in the arss but idk for that price, or the burps for that matter.

 

[EasyEJL]

I was going to try this when I start my CKD. Anyone know if there is any benifit from liquid over caps.

If not than in hitting up CNW they have an un-beatable deal on fish oil. It'll be a pain in the arss but idk for that price, or the burps for that matter.

nah, no real difference, just the amount of space it takes up yeah, that is hot from CNW, i'll probably buy some so I can leave em at work

 

[neoborn]

I never get burps from Carlson's lemon flavor.

Pricey though.

Yeah I like the sound of that, I'll keep buying my 1000's o gel caps from CNW and my liquid from NP .....yeah baby! Let's do this lemony lime mmmmmmm.

Much Love,

Neoborn

P.S Subbed and I started this megadosing with caps today 40 caps a day, let's do this!

 

[EasyEJL]

Cool neo! its got all sorts of benefits. I'm actually now at over 2 weeks solid noticing nice mood enhancement from it. I feel good all the time now

 

[thewilman]

benefits.

:blink:

BeneGits! :nutkick:

 

[bioman]

According to LEF, using high amounts of fish oil can increase lipid peroxidation in certain pathways. They suggest, based on their data, that you also include a little bit of Sesamin and Extra Virgin Olive oil.

I have no idea how important this really is or if it will interfere or enhance Poliquin's recommendations, but thought I would pass it along.

Just started my 3 tbs per day yesterday. Already in a better mood. Will do some volume work on legs today and report anything unusual.

 

[dsade]

Time to bug NP for bulk liquid fish oil with a purty flavor.

CNW also has a stellar deal for 1000 caps.

You guys would prefer liquid to bulk softgels?

 

[EasyEJL]

According to LEF, using high amounts of fish oil can increase lipid peroxidation in certain pathways. They suggest, based on their data, that you also include a little bit of Sesamin and Extra Virgin Olive oil.

I have no idea how important this really is or if it will interfere or enhance Poliquin's recommendations, but thought I would pass it along.

Just started my 3 tbs per day yesterday. Already in a better mood. Will do some volume work on legs today and report anything unusual.

well, I use evoo cooking, and was thinking about buying sesamin anyhow, so thats all good!:djparty:

 

[dsade]

well, I use evoo cooking, and was thinking about buying sesamin anyhow, so thats all good!:djparty:

Rachel Ray would be so proud of you.

RPN is putting together an essential fatty acid product, and with the success of the Bulk Sesathin Squirt bottle, would you use a product that you squirted into your mouth?

 

[EasyEJL]

Rachel Ray would be so proud of you.

RPN is putting together an essential fatty acid product, and with the success of the Bulk Sesathin Squirt bottle, would you use a product that you squirted into your mouth?

So long as the bottle wasn't black and d!ck shaped, sure

 

[dsade]

So long as the bottle wasn't black and d!ck shaped, sure

Crap...there goes that idea.

 

[thewilman]

So long as the bottle wasn't black and d!ck shaped, sure

What if it was dark brown? :afro:

 

[EasyEJL]

What if it was dark brown? :afro:

would that be the hispanic dark brown as the 6oz bottle or the asian dark brown as the 3oz sampler?

 

[bioman]

Now boys, there are children present. There shouldn't be but..lol

Anywho, Dsade, I'd like to see bulk flavored fish oil instead of caps if it gets the overall price per gram down significantly.

You could also offer a blend option with this and add say, 10% Sesamin to the mix and we could add our own EVOO at home. The blue squirt bottles are OK, but it might be worth looking into a pump that puts out 1/2tbs amounts or something like that.

 

[thewilman]

According to LEF, using high amounts of fish oil can increase lipid peroxidation in certain pathways. They suggest, based on their data, that you also include a little bit of Sesamin and Extra Virgin Olive oil.

I have no idea how important this really is or if it will interfere or enhance Poliquin's recommendations, but thought I would pass it along.

Just started my 3 tbs per day yesterday. Already in a better mood. Will do some volume work on legs today and report anything unusual.

What about Udo's Choice Oil?

 

[pistonpump]

wow that got gross for a while lmao..!
why no mention of a white one?....fvckn racists bastards!

 

[bioman]

What about Udo's Choice Oil?

I bet Dsade can put something comparable yet cheaper together. But Udo's is a great brand IMO.

 

[EasyEJL]

Udos does sound nice

 

[thewilman]

I bet Dsade can put something comparable yet cheaper together. But Udo's is a great brand IMO.

Do it D!

 

[xjsynx]

You guys would prefer liquid to bulk softgels?

Both!

 

[xjsynx]

wow that got gross for a while lmao..!
why no mention of a white one?....fvckn racists bastards!

Keyword mega-dose, because if it was white it would only be a droppler

 

[pistonpump]

Keyword mega-dose, because if it was white it would only be a droppler

:toofunny:

 

[TheCrownedOne]

Keyword mega-dose, because if it was white it would only be a droppler

The plural of anecdote is not fact

 

[neoborn]

According to LEF, using high amounts of fish oil can increase lipid peroxidation in certain pathways. They suggest, based on their data, that you also include a little bit of Sesamin and Extra Virgin Olive oil.

Can you explain what this means to me please, I do not fully understand what you are saying here?

Much Love,

Neoborn

 

[beebab]

for a little over a week i've also been mega dosing CNW's fish oil caps @ 30 grams a day, spread evenly over about 8 meals (excluding PWO, but again Post post) and I've just recently bumped to 45 grams. i've been back at college for the last month so dieting has been difficult, but this weekend i'm going to map out more of a structured program and push for a lil natty recomp per se. using fish oils. so far i can't say i've experienced any weight gain. though i haven't lost weight and i am eating more now that i was before i left for school... so perhaps the fish oils are helping me stay lean in that regard? i'd much prefer to test their effects with more of recomp type diet/ workout regimen. i've been trying to bulk up as clean as possible and gain lean weight, which was why i added the oils to begin with.

but i will say that i like the added benefits of mega dosing fish oils. like others have said, the natural anti depressant properties of fish oils are astounding. i feel great all the time mood wise, despite everything going on in my life i manage to keep a happy face. 45 grams seems to be the recommended dose though, or somewhere in that vicinity methinks, so i'm going to try that out.

 

[beallio]

As of yesterday I started megadosing with 40g/day with caps.

We'll see how this goes. If anything my joints could certainly use it.

 

[EasyEJL]

just be prepared to change to an "oily hair" shampoo

 

[beallio]

just be prepared to change to an "oily hair" shampoo

Lovely. Anything else I should be aware of that has not been mentioned in prior posts?

 

[canadian champ]

Can you guys direct me to the cheapest source of liquid fish oil? The cheapest I can manage is around 5cents a gram. Any bulk (ie. 2L) suppliers?
cc

 

[EasyEJL]

Lovely. Anything else I should be aware of that has not been mentioned in prior posts?

Not in terms of negatives no. the hair isn't that bad.

 

[beallio]

Can you guys direct me to the cheapest source of liquid fish oil? The cheapest I can manage is around 5cents a gram. Any bulk (ie. 2L) suppliers?
cc

If you have them, I'd recommend Costco. I pickup 400 caps (1g/cap) for ~ $9
Kirkland Signature™
Fish Oil Concentrate

 

[CEDeoudes59]

cool thread, Poliquin is a great strength coach -- but don't think that his athletes are natural. With that said, I'm going to up my fish oil dosing

 

[xjsynx]

cool thread, Poliquin is a great strength coach -- but don't think that his athletes are natural. With that said, I'm going to up my fish oil dosing

I've been following his principles since the MM2K days...

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I've been following his principles since the MM2K days...

he's definitely legit... Packed 55lbs of Muscle and killed all the fat on David Boston in ~14months. Didn't result in a better football player after Boston crossed 235lbs, but impressive results nonetheless.

He works with tons of NHL players who are generally AAS free (HGH might be a different story).

 

[LT710]

he's definitely legit... Packed 55lbs of Muscle and killed all the fat on David Boston in ~14months. Didn't result in a better football player after Boston crossed 235lbs, but impressive results nonetheless.

He works with tons of NHL players who are generally anabolic steroids free (HGH might be a different story).

David Boston was a Franken-Steroid project!

 

[cardiffgiant]

A good brand of gelcaps to avoid fish burps is Barleans. When you open the bottle it smells like an orange.

 

[cardiffgiant]

I might try this mega dosing but I would like to find better tasting liuid if possible. Tried a few way back when think twinlab maybe Vshoppe and wasn't easy to deal with but if benefits are there I'll deal with the taste or find cheaper(quality as well)caps.

 

[Solitude]

Interesting thread.

Subscribed!

So there is no health risk involved with such high dosage of fish oil, right?

 

[EasyEJL]

Interesting thread.

Subscribed!

So there is no health risk involved with such high dosage of fish oil, right?

Some. Really the main one is that cuts are likely to take longer to stop bleeding. thats the primary. other than that there is limited damage. Remember this is around the amount of fish oil you would get from eating 2-3 4oz salmon fillets a day. Not completely insane.

BTW quick update for me, scale is now reading 211 for the last 2 days, so a bit lower. Hard to say why, but its 2 days in a row. So that still leaves me at 12 lbs up in 19 days, which is still better than i see from most steroids/designers/ etc and at the same time my liver isn't crying in my sleep, and if anything my cholesterol should be improving....

 

[Zombie]

Some. Really the main one is that cuts are likely to take longer to stop bleeding. thats the primary. other than that there is limited damage.

i was going to ask you about this. im not taking big doses of Fish oil , but since i runned out of cycle support i increased my dose from 6 gr ED to 9.6-12 gr and i have noticed that my blood got a nice bright red color and it takes longer to coagulate and to form scabs and once the scabs are formed they can be easyly removed. i got a nose bleed 3 days ago and it hasnt healed completely. it starts healing and eveything but if i sneeze i start with the nose bleed and it takes time to heal again. i think im going to drop the fish oil a few days till my nose bleeds stop.

 

[EasyEJL]

i was going to ask you about this. im not taking big doses of Fish oil , but since i runned out of cycle support i increased my dose from 6 gr ED to 9.6-12 gr and i have noticed that my blood got a nice bright red color and it takes longer to coagulate and to form scabs and once the scabs are formed they can be easyly removed. i got a nose bleed 3 days ago and it hasnt healed completely. it starts healing and eveything but if i sneeze i start with the nose bleed and it takes time to heal again. i think im going to drop the fish oil a few days till my nose bleeds stop.

yeah, thats probably it as far as negatives go. Overall compared to the sides of a lot of the other stuff out there its not bad.

 

[Solitude]

Some. Really the main one is that cuts are likely to take longer to stop bleeding. thats the primary. other than that there is limited damage. Remember this is around the amount of fish oil you would get from eating 2-3 4oz salmon fillets a day. Not completely insane.

I see, that shouldn't be too bad. It's good for the joints as well right?

 

[EasyEJL]

I see, that shouldn't be too bad. It's good for the joints as well right?

yeah, i'm getting very nice elbow recovery times now, its probably clipped pain time in half, if not less.

 

[Solitude]

yeah, i'm getting very nice elbow recovery times now, its probably clipped pain time in half, if not less.

When cycling PH/PS, will mega-dosing fish oils have negative effects on the compounds?

 

[EasyEJL]

I can't think of any reason why, other than possibly from its anti inflammatory effects, but that seems to not effect muscle growth negatively. I think it could be a big plus really in that it would help to keep lipid profiles straighter.

Really I'm not sure whether I personally would take it on a cycle tho, moreso use it during PCT + time off. that way its a bridge kind of, can keep gains going potentially and help fix any cholesterol damage. I'm not sure tho really. It just would seem to be something of a waste to take it with a ph/ps, at least from what results i've gotten so far from fish oil alone.

 

[Solitude]

I can't think of any reason why, other than possibly from its anti inflammatory effects, but that seems to not effect muscle growth negatively. I think it could be a big plus really in that it would help to keep lipid profiles straighter.

Really I'm not sure whether I personally would take it on a cycle tho, moreso use it during post cycle therapy + time off. that way its a bridge kind of, can keep gains going potentially and help fix any cholesterol damage. I'm not sure tho really. It just would seem to be something of a waste to take it with a ph/ps, at least from what results i've gotten so far from fish oil alone.

I see, so its definitely a valuable tool during PCT. Nice! :thumbsup:

Might need to try it out in the future.

 

[DragonRider]

On Sept 2 at 199lbs, I started taking in 30+ g of fish oil a day.

Did you have to take a second mortgage out on your house to afford that much?

What type of fish oil do you take?

 

[thewilman]

E, what do your macros look like? How far above maintenance are your cals?