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Nope I read it from start to finish and stand by my last two title suggestions.

There were other dangers associated with DDT, right?

Less effective does not mean useless.

We help with everything else why not help with helping to absorb insecticide costs?

This is also an editorial by a guy who isn't a doctor and without any cites. I'll take wiki with cites and related article links over one guy with nothing statistical to back his 'stories' up.

I am far from a DDT expert because I have only looked up the stuff after you posted about it. I also don't really care one way or another since there's more problems out there than this.

I just don't like the pro- and con- sides of arguements using rhetoric and jabs and stories to knock off the other sides reasoning.

Don't tell me it's more expensive and less effective without telling me by how much and showing me studies backing it up.

Don't focus on one aspect and use that as reason to overturn something is 50 other points are still very real.
 
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There were no outlined dangers in this entire article.

There was a worry of dangers due to bioaccumulation and ONE study concluded that it led to breast cancer. However, many other studies tried to duplicate those results and failed rendering that study almost entirely bunk.
 
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Considerations for the Use of DDT in Malaria Control

By Roger Bate, Richard Tren, Jasson Urbach, Jennifer Zambone
Posted: Friday, October 8, 2004
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Health Policy and Development (Uganda Martyrs University)
Publication Date: October 1, 2004

The insecticide DDT has been very successfully used for many years in malaria control programmes around the world. We assess the validity of the allegations that DDT is harmful to human health and the environment and find that they lack credibility. This is particularly true when one considers the way in which DDT is used in malaria control and the risks that people face from malaria. Indoor Residual Spraying programmes can be sustained for many decades and have been shown to have a considerable impact on malaria morbidity and mortality. However any country considering using DDT or any other insecticide in an Indoor Residual Spraying programme to control malaria should ensure that the right regulatory mechanisms are in place and that the programme is well controlled with scientific and medical oversight.

Introduction

Malaria is the leading cause of death among children in Africa and causes catastrophic harm to the continent’s development, even though it is a preventable and curable disease. The World Health Organisation (WHO) estimates that the disease claims over 1 million lives every year. Approximately 93 percent of Uganda’s population is at risk from malaria, and according to the Centres for Disease Control (CDC) the incidence of the disease has increased from approximately 5 million cases in 1997 to 16.5 million in 2003. In malarial countries, the disease is estimated to reduce per capita economic growth by 1.3 percent per year (Gallup & Sachs 2000).

Thus, controlling malaria is important not only because of the human misery the disease causes, but also due to its economic burden, which creates further human misery. One of the most effective ways of controlling malaria is the targeted use of residual insecticides. When sprayed on the inside walls of dwellings, these insecticides kill the adult Anopheles mosquito that transmits the malaria parasite. Indoor Residual Spraying (IRS) programmes eradicated malaria from Europe and North America and dramatically reduced malaria in many other parts of the world. One of the most effective insecticides for IRS programmes is dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, or DDT.

The Ugandan ministry of health has announced that it is preparing to introduce DDT into IRS programmes, and Members of Parliament have asked the Ugandan government to secure funds for DDT procurement (Nangulo 2004). Malaria control programmes have at their disposal a range of interventions, and no one intervention should exclude any other. DDT is only one insecticide that IRS programmes can use. In turn, IRS is only one way to control the malaria vector, the Anopheles mosquito.

Successful malaria control programmes use evidence based decision making to determine the best possible range of interventions under the specific conditions that face different regions. Successful malaria control programmes in southern Africa have shown IRS, and more specifically IRS using DDT, to be an essential element. This success had caused other African countries to either re-introduce DDT to malaria control or to consider seriously the move. Given that DDT, when used properly as part of a well managed IRS programme, is highly effective at controlling malaria and is safe for humans and the environment, this move should be welcomed. Yet DDT is a controversial insecticide, and many fears and misunderstandings exist surrounding its use in malaria control. This paper attempts to address some of those fears and improve the understanding of DDT use in malaria control, which we hope will lead to better malaria control and healthier people.

DDT Use in Public Health Programmes

The Allied forces first used DDT during the Second World War to control the vector borne diseases typhus, dusting civilians and troops with DDT powder, which was highly effective at killing the body lice that transmitted the disease. Scientists soon noted that because of its ease of application and long lasting residual action, DDT would be useful in controlling another vector borne disease, malaria.

When it is used in malaria control, sprayers apply small amounts of DDT, usually 2g of active ingredient per square meter, on the inside walls of houses and in some cases under the eaves of houses. Because of its long lasting action--up to 1 year--DDT vastly improved malaria control, as previously shorter acting insecticides had to be applied to dwellings every 1 to 2 weeks. DDT works in three ways; it is acutely toxic to the Anopheles mosquitoes and therefore very effective at killing them; it also acts to repel mosquitoes so that they may never enter a dwelling in the first place; lastly it acts as an irritant which may cause mosquitoes to exit a dwelling without biting. With DDT, malaria control officers had within their grasp a tool that could potentially eradicate malaria.

After the Second World War, Southern European countries were the first to attempt IRS programmes using DDT. Within a few short years DDT spraying had eradicated malaria from Europe. The United States government adopted DDT spraying soon after the war, and its use successfully eradicated malaria in 1952. Chile eradicated malaria as did several island states in the Caribbean in the early 1950s. In 1946 South Africa adopted DDT in its malaria control programme and within a few years had reduced the number of cases to just 10 percent of those reported in 1942/43 (SA Dept of Health, 1997). In 1951, India’s malaria control programme began to use DDT and managed to reduce malaria cases from an estimated 75 million per annum to just 50 000 per annum (Harrison 1978:243).

In 1955, based on the success of DDT spraying around the world, the WHO launched its malaria eradication programme. The overriding opinion at the time was that a short period of intense DDT spraying could reduce malaria cases to such a degree that eradication would be a possibility. This was not to be however, and for a number of reasons the WHO called off the eradication programme in 1972. In some countries the development of insecticide resistance meant DDT was ineffective. In other areas climatic conditions favourable for mosquito breeding meant the malaria vector bred faster than they could be eradicated. In some countries, such as India, operational problems and a lack of scientific oversight beset the programmes. Yet despite these problems, many countries maintained carefully controlled DDT spraying programmes and were rewarded with low and declining malaria cases.

Soon after World War II, agriculture widely adopted DDT and this led to widespread environmental contamination. However as the public health use of DDT involves the targeted spraying of tiny amounts of insecticide inside houses, there can be no comparison between the agricultural use of DDT, which gave it its bad name, and the public health use of DDT. In this regard Roberts et al estimate that treating a 4km2 cotton field--which is the size of a single farm in some locations--takes as much DDT as all the high-risk houses in a tropical country the size of Guyana would take. (Guyana has an area of 214 969 sq km, about the size of Great Britain) (Roberts et al. 1997).

South Africa maintained its IRS programme using DDT from 1946 to 1996. In 1996 the Department of Health replaced DDT with synthetic pyrethroid insecticides. As DDT is best sprayed on traditional mud structures, and an increasing number of houses in rural malarial areas are made in the western style with plastered and painted walls, the government was correct to attempt to introduce alternative insecticides. However, largely because agriculture uses synthetic pyrethroid insecticides, insecticide resistance soon became a problem. A highly efficient malaria vector, Anopheles funestus, believed to have been eradicated in the 1970s, soon reappeared in South Africa (Hargreaves et al. 2002). What followed was one of the worst malaria epidemics in the country’s history. Malaria cases rose from around 6000 in 1995 to over 60 000 in 2000 (SA Dept of Health 2003).

In early 2000, South Africa reintroduced DDT to malaria control in KwaZulu Natal Province, the province worst hit by the epidemic. In 2001, South Africa further introduced new artemesinin-based combination therapies to treat malaria patients. The combination of effective insecticides and drugs ensured that malaria cases fell by almost 80 percent by the end of 2001.

Chart 1: Malaria Cases and Deaths, South Africa, 1971–2003 (SA Dept of Health, 2003)



In 2000 a privately funded IRS programme in the Zambian Copperbelt Province began using DDT in its IRS programme. The DDT spraying was solely responsible for 50 percent decline in malaria cases after just 1 spraying season (Sharp et al, 2002). The success of this programme continues and has influenced national malaria control policy such that other parts of Zambia have implemented DDT IRS programmes. Other southern African countries that have successfully used DDT to control malaria include Swaziland, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Madagascar.

These countries ensure that well structured, vertical malaria control programmes use DDT, programmes that have good scientific oversight and control and monitor the use of the chemical. These factors, which in fact should be in place for the use of any insecticide in IRS, are an important pre-requisite for a DDT IRS programme.

IRS is the single most important malaria control intervention in most southern African countries. DDT in turn is one of the most effective and important of the range of different insecticides that are used in IRS. Those countries in southern Africa that have successfully controlled malaria use IRS and largely rely on DDT. The insecticide is incontrovertibly responsible for saving millions of lives.

Yet fears persist that DDT is harmful to human health and the environment and that its use in malaria control will somehow threaten agricultural exports. An oft cited argument against IRS in general is that it is unsustainable and therefore should not be entertained as a policy option. These concerns are dealt with in turn.

DDT and Human Health

DDT and its effects on human health have been a highly contentious issue since at least the 1950s. Those that are against public health programmes using DDT argue, amongst other things, that DDT is highly toxic and is also known to cause cancer in humans.

Since the discovery of DDT countless millions of people have been exposed to DDT in one way or another. In this respect Smith states, “in the 1940s many people were deliberately exposed to high concentrations of DDT through dusting programmes or impregnation of clothes, without any apparent ill effect” (Smith 2000). Furthermore, since the 1940s, thousands of tonnes have been produced and distributed throughout the world and millions of people have come into direct contact with DDT. Initially, the distribution was restricted to soldiers in WWII and then to the general public in the aftermath of WWII. When demand for DDT escalated in the post WWII period, a plethora of studies were conducted with regards to DDT’s safety for humans. Indeed, Smith notes, “If the huge amounts of DDT used are taken into account, the safety record for human beings is extremely good.”(ibid)

DDT and Toxicity

Scientists have studied very few chemicals as extensively as DDT, either experimentally or in human beings. Opponents of DDT have made many claims about the toxicity of DDT to humans but most claims have not withstood careful investigation. According to Curtis a thorough study of the health of men who had worked with DDT for years as spray-men “showed no significant excess prevalence of any disease in them compared to parallel studies conducted at the same time” (Curtis 2002). Furthermore, a controlled study conducted on the long term effects of DDT exposure in the early 1950’s, which was funded by the United States Public Health Service, found that despite the volunteers in the sample consuming as much as 35 milligrams of DDT every day for 18 months, no adverse effects were found, either at the time of the study or during the follow up investigation ten years later (Hayes et al 1956, 1971). Indeed, Smith notes, “Ingestion of DDT, even when repeated, by volunteers or people attempting suicide has indicated low lethality, and large acute exposures can lead to vomiting, with ejection of the chemical” (Smith 1991).

However, because malaria control involves indoor residual spraying, the emphasis here should be on the effects of DDT on the human through inhalation and not consumption. Considered in this light an assessment from the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry contains the following conclusions for non-occupational inhalation exposure: “No studies were located regarding death in humans or animals after inhalation exposure to DDT or any of its derivatives DDE, and DDD”. Furthermore, they note that “No studies were located regarding cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, haematological, musculoskeletal, hepatic, renal or dermal effects in humans or animals after inhalation exposure to DDT, or its derivatives DDE and DDD” (ATSDR 2002). Smith also notes, “there are few toxicological effects due to inhalation of DDT” (Smith 1991). Thus in terms of the toxicity of DDT and its derivatives to indoor residual spraying on both an acute and chronic basis, the results tend to suggest that DDT is relatively harmless to humans and animals.

DDT and Cancer

Early research in the 1950s found that DDT and its derivatives accumulated in human and animal tissue fat. In this connection one of the most common allegations against DDT is that it is carcinogenic. Although this allegation has been publicised widely by various organisations and commentators, there is little substance to the claim. Proponents of DDT carcinogenicity base DDT’s link to cancer on finding significantly more of the DDT derivative, DDE, in the serum of patients dying of cancer compared with healthy controls. Recent evidence, however, has tended to suggest that DDT is not as potent a carcinogenic as originally thought. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), classifies DDT as “a possible carcinogen”. Although, this statement is not definitive by any means, it should be noted that DDT shares this classification with a number of other common household consumables, such as peanut butter, beer and coffee. Furthermore, one must consider that DDT was used extensively for a number of decades and yet there is still no conclusive evidence that links DDT to cancer. Indeed, “no reputable authority declares unequivocally that DDT causes human cancer.”(Smith 2000) Furthermore in all the years that DDT has been used, not a single case control study has been able to affirmatively replicate DDT carcinogenicity in humans (Attaran et al. 2000).

Nevertheless, one of the most common concerns about DDT is that it causes breast cancer. The concern over DDT and breast-cancer is that it can act like a weak estrogen, and it is believed that the more estrogens a women is exposed to, the greater her risk of breast cancer. In earlier studies into the effects of DDT on breast cancer, researchers thought that they discovered a statistically increased risk of breast cancer and attempted to replicate these studies. However, since then, researchers have conducted numerous studies, but as of yet, none of them have managed to confirm the earlier results. A recent long-term study conducted by the Harvard School of Public Health found no relationship between the level of DDT in women’s blood and their likelihood of subsequently developing breast cancer (Hunter 1997). Furthermore, the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry notes, “The possible association between exposure to DDT and various types of cancers has been studied extensively, particularly breast cancer. Thus far, there is no conclusive evidence linking DDT and related compounds to cancer in humans” (ASTDR 2000).

DDT and Maternal Lactation

DDT is fat-soluble and accumulates in fatty tissues of humans and animals. Numerous studies have found that DDT and its metabolites are present in breast milk. A study of homes in South African villages that IRS programmes had sprayed with DDT showed a much higher level of DDT and DDE in breast milk in treated villages than in villages without IRS spraying (Bouwman et al 1990). The intake of 0.100mg/kg/day of DDT+DDE by babies consuming this milk exceeds by 5 times the Food and Agricultural Organisation (FAO) defined allowable daily intake (ADI). Although this may seem worrisome, it is not clear whether these levels actually do any harm. Furthermore, it should be noted, “the ADI levels are specified on the assumption that they would continue throughout life” (Curtis, 2002:458).

Even researchers who find DDT in breast milk and claim that it leads to early weaning in children confess that there is a “lack of any detectable effect on children’s health.” (Attaran et al 2000) South Africa’s public health professionals and politicians concluded that the hazards from malaria far outweighed any associated with DDT exposure--specifically including the breast milk issue. Furthermore, it must be borne in mind that DDT is not absorbed through the skin, and thus the concern here should be whether or not DDT causes ill health effects through inhalation. However it has been shown that the inhalation of DDT has little to no effect on humans. Therefore, in light of this, small amounts sprayed on the walls of dwellings are unlikely to pose any serious threats.

Although the concerns that DDT may affect human health should not be dismissed, these fears should in no way prevent DDT from being used in malaria control programmes. The scientific evidence that DDT is harmful to humans is weak at best, and yet DDT’s public health benefits are well known and very significant. Based on the real, immediate and deadly risks that people face from malaria and the lack of evidence against DDT, despite decades of use and numerous studies, any decision on whether or not to use DDT based on human health effects would rule in favour of DDT.

DDT and the Environment

When agriculture used DDT in large quantities, spraying it almost indiscriminately, it caused certain harmful environmental effects. As DDT and its isomers are stable and persistent, they remain in the upper layers of soils and in the lower sediments of waterways for some time. (Most of the studies into the persistence of DDT have been conducted in the cooler climates of the northern hemisphere. In warmer tropical climates, DDT does not persist as long in the environment.)

DDT’s environmental impacts however should be seen in context. IRS requires small amounts, typically less than a pound (approximately 450 grams), for a very large house, which is sprayed directly onto the inside walls of the dwelling. Therefore, in malaria-prevention programmes little or no DDT gets tracked outside. Even if DDT does somehow escape into the wider environment, the amounts are so minuscule, and the time frame so staggered, that it seems unlikely to do any significant damage to the immediate environment, let alone far-off distant places. In this connection a study conducted by Bouwman et al concluded, “there are no significant variations in the levels of DDT in the environment before and after spraying” (Bouwman et al 1990). Furthermore, the World Health Organisation notes, “The safeguards inherent in the WHO recommendations and guidelines on the use of DDT for disease vector control present a much diminished environmental and/or health risk, if any.” (WHO 2004)

While the human health and environmental concerns surrounding the use of DDT are not credible arguments against its use in malaria control, issues concerning the management and funding of IRS programmes do deserve discussion.

Economic and Managerial Issues

‘Sustainability’

Numerous countries in southern Africa, such as Swaziland, South Africa, Namibia and Botswana have maintained and sustained successful IRS programmes for many decades. Part of the reason for this success is the scientific oversight and tight controls within these vertically run programmes. However IRS programmes are not the preserve of countries with higher per capita gross domestic product (GDP) or with small numbers of malaria cases. For many years Madagascar, which has a per capita GDP well below the average for Sub-Saharan Africa, has maintained a well-run IRS programme in the highland areas using DDT. Zambia has recently restarted its IRS programmes in the districts of Ndola, Kitwe, Kabwe, Livingston and Lusaka. Both of these countries receive funds for their programmes from the Global Fund for AIDS, TB and Malaria (GFATM) and from their national fiscus. In the case of Zambia, the private sector has also made a significant contribution to malaria control (Sharp et al 2002). The success of many of the GFATM interventions and the prospect that the mechanism will continue for many years will ensure long term funding options for IRS programmes.

The argument that IRS programmes are not sustainable is often made. Yet it lacks credibility when one considers the numerous successful, long-term programmes that are in place. The corollary of the argument that IRS is unsustainable is that other programmes, such as the social marketing of insecticide treated nets (ITNs), are sustainable. ITNs are an important component of any malaria control programme, however programmes that rely too heavily on this intervention, such as Roll Back Malaria, have not demonstrated any reduction in malaria cases or deaths (Mandavili 2004). Issues such as the pricing of nets, the logistics of distribution and re-treatment are controversial and continue to hamper the effective roll out of this intervention. Thus, it is not clear that ITNs are in any way a more ‘sustainable’ solution than IRS, particularly when one considers the lack of any large-scale successful implementation of ITNs. The factors influencing malaria control differ from country to country. Therefore Uganda should conduct its own, in situ, studies to determine which intervention is likely to achieve the best results.

Management of IRS

There are valid concerns that without good planning and controls, DDT will be diverted from public health programmes into the agricultural sector. However this is not an argument against DDT use, but rather an argument in favour of setting up the right institutions to manage its use.

As noted above, Konkola Copper Mines reintroduced DDT into Zambia in 2000 after Zambia had discontinued its various IRS programmes, mostly due to a lack of finance, in the 1980s. Before any DDT spraying could begin, however, the Environmental Council of Zambia (ECZ) evaluated the need for DDT and set out the conditions and regulations of such use. The ECZ granted authorisation only if the agents using DDT, in this case mine employees, could guarantee that they would transport, store and use it responsibly and according to WHO guidelines. The programme managers also had to ensure that systems were in place to ensure that no DDT is diverted from the malaria control programme to the agricultural sector. Those same controls and oversight also apply to the use of DDT by the Department of Health in the various other IRS programmes that use DDT in other parts of the country.

Ensuring that programmes use DDT, indeed any insecticide, properly and according to best practices and guidelines is important for malaria control. Malaria control programmes will fail if officials divert resources away from public health programmes for their own profit. Spray programmes have to apply DDT or any other on the inside walls of houses in the correct manner and in quantities that will be lethal to the adult Anopheles mosquitoes. Failure to do this could lead to insecticide resistance, which would clearly be problematic for any control programme. The fact that little or no resistance to DDT has developed in Southern Africa is a testament to the many years of rigorous control and good scientific oversight.

When Uganda begins to use DDT in its IRS programme, it is essential that it instils measures to track and monitor the use of insecticides. Failure to do this will not only compromise malaria control but could also jeopardise exports. The various sanitary and phytosanitary regulations that affect agricultural exports are often onerous and could block agricultural, floral and fisheries exports from Uganda if traces of DDT are found on the products. No agricultural or environmental contamination of DDT should result as a result of IRS activities as IRS involves spraying small amounts of insecticide inside houses and under the eaves of houses. Concerns over DDT harming Uganda’s trade have little to do with the merits or demerits of DDT itself, but rather with the organisations that control and monitor the use of DDT. As with every other country that uses DDT, it is incumbent on Uganda to ensure the correct institutions are in place before IRS begins.

Conclusions

DDT has a long and proven track record in malaria control. When used in public health programmes, DDT is responsible for saving countless millions of lives from malaria and other vector borne diseases such as typhus and yellow fever. While one should not dismiss the studies conducted into the human health and environmental effects of DDT, they should be seen in context. In addition, any evaluation of the need for DDT must recognise the controlled and careful way in which DDT is used in malaria control. Essentially policy makers need to compare the real risks that people face from malaria with the often uncertain and hypothetical risks that people would face from DDT. Given close correlation that DDT has with reduced mortality and morbidity and the lack of credible evidence with regard to harm to human health and the environment, policy makers cannot but argue in favour of DDT.

That said, any country that wishes to implement an IRS strategy, whether it uses DDT or any other insecticide, has to ensure that the right regulatory controls are in place and that the programme is conducted according to WHO guidelines and has strong scientific oversight. Uganda has an important opportunity to improve malaria control and save lives by using DDT in a carefully controlled programme. As that programme begins, it is essential for officials, the private sector, academia and civil society to approach the issue with due regard to science and good medicine and without emotion or regard to politics; anything less will compromise malaria control and cost lives.

References

Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), (2002) Toxicological Profile for DDT, DDE and DDD, (ATSDR) ATSDR - Toxicological Profile: DDT, DDE, and DDD accessed 24 August 2004.

A. Attaran et al (2000) “Balancing Risks on the Back of the Poor” Nature Medicine (60):729-31.

H. Bouwman et al. (1990) “Environmental and Health Implications of DDT-Contaminated Fish from the Pongola Flood Plain” Journal of African Zoology, (104):275-86.

Centres for Disease Control, “Malaria Control in Uganda--Towards the Abuja Targets” Web publication: www.cdc.gov/malaria/contol_prevention/uganda.htm Accessed 18 August 2004.

C. Curtis (2002) “Should the Use of DDT Be Reviewed for Malaria Vector Control?” Biomédica, 22(4):455-61.

J. L. Gallup & J D Sachs, (2000) “The Economic Burden of Malaria” Harvard Centre for International Development, Working Paper No. 52.

K. Hargreaves et al. (2002) “Anopheles funestus resistance to synthetic pyrethroid insecticides in South Africa.” Medical and Veterinary Entomology, 14, no.2: 181-89.

G. Harrison (1978) Mosquitoes, Malaria and Man: A History of Hostilities since 1880, John Murray, London.

W. Hayes et al. (1956) “The Effect of Known Repeated Oral Doses of DDT in Man” Journal of the American Medical Association, (162):890-897.

Hayes et al. (1971) “Evidence of Safety of Long Term, High, Oral Doses of DDT for Man. Arch Environmental Health, (22):119.

D. Hunter et al (1997) “Plasma Organochlorine Levels and the Risk of Breast Cancer” The New England Journal of Medicine, 337(18):1253-58.

A. Mandavili (2004) “Struggling to make an impact” Nature (430):935.

M. Nangulo (2004), “MPs Back Govt. on DDT” The Monitor, Kampala, 12 August 2004.

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B. Sharp et al. (2002) “Malaria control by residual insecticide spraying in Chingola and Chililabombwe, Copperbelt Province, Zambia,” Tropical Medicine and International Health, 7, no 9: 732-36.

A. Smith (1991) “Chlorinated Hydrocarbon Insecticides”. In Hayes, E Laws eds. Handbook of Pesticide Toxicology, San Diego: Academic Press, 731-915.

A. Smith, “How Toxic is DDT?” Lancet 356 (9226): 267-8.

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Roger Bate is a visiting fellow at AEI,
 
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Gonna hit the sack for a bit and i'll finish reading and respond then.
 
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There are no substantial scientific studies so far which prove that DDT is particularly toxic to humans or other primates, compared to other widely-used pesticides. DDT can be applied directly to clothes and used in soap, with no demonstrated ill effects.[5] Indeed, DDT has on rare occasions been administered orally as a treatment for barbiturate poisoning.[6]

Most of the precise toxicological data on DDT and its metabolites comes from animal experiments; epidemiological and toxicological studies on humans are less precise, because they come from populations who are either exposed to the compounds in manufacturing or spraying, or are third world populations; in either case, they are exposed to multiple pesticides and many other risk factors.

Taking these limitations into account, the EPA estimates with "medium" confidence (due to "shorter duration than desired" of the studies) based mainly on liver toxicity in rats, that no non-carcinogenic effect will be seen at an oral exposure of less than 5 x10-4 mg/kg-day as a conservative limit including a 10-fold safety factor for generalizing from rats to humans, and another 10-fold factor to account for human subpopulations which may be exceptionally sensitive.[7]

Similarly, the EPA classifies DDT as class B2, a probable human carcinogen, based on observed carcinogenicity in animals, i.e. tumors (generally of the liver) in seven studies in various mouse strains and three studies in rats, and on structural similarity to other carcinogens such as DDE, DDD, dicofol, and chlorobenzilate.[8] The risk factor for oral ingestion is estimated at 3.4x10-1 per mg/kg-day or 9.7x10-6 per ug/L for drinking water, which translates into a cancer risk of 1 in 10,000 for 10 ug/L, 1 in 100,000 for 1 ug/L, or 1 in 1,000,000 for 0.1 ug/L; the risk factor for inhalation is estimated at 9.7x10-5 per ug/m3, which translates into a cancer risk of 1 in 10,000 for 1 ug/m3, 1 in 100,000 for 0.1 ug/m3, or 1 in 1,000,000 for 0.01 ug/m3.[9]

A review article[10] in The Lancet concludes:

Although DDT is generally not toxic to human beings and was banned mainly for ecological reasons, subsequent research has shown that exposure to DDT at amounts that would be needed in malaria control might cause preterm birth and early weaning, abrogating the benefit of reducing infant mortality from malaria. ... DDT might be useful in controlling malaria, but the evidence of its adverse effects on human health needs appropriate research on whether it achieves a favourable balance of risk versus benefit.
Future perspectives
Although acute toxic effects are scarce, toxicological evidence shows endocrine-disrupting properties; human data also indicate possible disruption in semen quality, menstruation, gestational length, and duration of lactation. The research focus on human reproduction and development seems to be appropriate. DDT could be an effective public-health intervention that is cheap, longlasting, and effective. However, various toxic-effects that would be difficult to detect without specific study might exist and could result in substantial morbidity or mortality. Responsible use of DDT should include research programmes that would detect the most plausible forms of toxic effects as well as the documentation of benefits attributable specifically to DDT. Although this viewpoint amounts to a platitude if applied to malaria research in Africa, the research question here could be sufficiently focused and compelling, so that governments and funding agencies recognise the need to include research on all infant mortality when DDT is to be used.

A recent study conducted by the University of California Berkeley suggests children who have been exposed to DDT while in the womb have a greater chance to experience development problems. [11]
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Conflicting Studies

* Direct studies have not found a link between DDT and breast cancer in humans.[12] [13]
* Some evidence suggests a link between DDT and breast cancer in humans. For example, diminishing rates of breast cancer in Israel have paralleled a precipitous decline in environmental contamination with DDT and benzene hexachloride. [7] [8] (See also [14], [15], [16])
* Dr. Mary Wolf published a 1993 article in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute indicating a statistically significant correlation between DDT metabolites in the blood and the risks of developing breast cancer in the general population. Others have disputed this research.
* In one study, primates were given DDT (20mg/kg) with their diet for 130 months. No conclusive link with cancer was established.[17]
* A study of 692 women, half of them control subjects, over a period of twenty years established no correlation between serum DDE and breast cancer. DDE is a metabolite of DDT, and correlates with DDT exposure.[18]
* A study examined 35 workers exposed to 600 times the average DDT exposure levels over a period of 9 to 19 years. No elevated cancer risk was observed.[19]
* In another study, humans voluntarily ingested 35 mg of DDT daily for about two years, and were then tracked for several years afterward. No elevated risk was observed.[20]

The review discussed above summarizes the available evidence, in slightly more detail:

In humans, DDT use is generally safe; large populations have been exposed to the compound for 60 years with little acute toxicity apart from a few reports of poisoning. Doses as high as 285 mg/kg taken accidentally did not cause death, but such large doses did lead to prompt vomiting. One dose of 10 mg/kg can result in illness in some people. Subclinical and subtle functional changes have not been meticulously sought until the past few decades.
Occupational exposure to DDT was associated with reduced verbal attention, visuomotor speed, sequencing, and with increased neuropsychological and psychiatric symptoms in a dose-response pattern (ie, per year of DDT application) in retired workers aged 55–70 years in Costa Rica. Although DDT or DDE concentrations were not determined in this study, they probably were very high.
Although extensively studied, there is no convincing evidence that DDT or its metabolite DDE increase human cancer risk. Mainly on the basis of animal data, DDT is classified as a possible carcinogen (class 2B) by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) and as a reasonably anticipated human carcinogen by the US National Toxicology Program.
Breast cancer has been examined most closely for an association with p,p'-DDE. In a study in 1993, 37 breast cancer patients had higher serum DDE concentrations (11·8 μg/L) than controls (7·7 μg/L), and results from several subsequent studies supported such an association. However, large epidemiological studies and subsequent pooled and meta-analyses failed to confirm the association.
With detailed work history of chemical manufacturing workers to estimate DDT exposure, a nested case-control study reported occupational DDT exposure associated with increased pancreatic cancer risk. A weak association of self-reported DDT use with pancreatic cancer was reported in another case-control study. A report indicated a higher standardised mortality ratio for pancreatic cancer in outdoor workers with a history of DDT exposure of less than 3 years, but the standardised mortality ratio of DDT workers with exposure of 3 years or more was not significantly raised.[21]


The malaria controversy

Malaria afflicts between 300 million and 500 million people every year. The World Health Organization estimates that around 1 million people die of malaria and malaria-related illness every year.[25] About 90% of these deaths occur in Africa, mostly to children under the age of 5. The economic impact includes costs of health care, working days lost due to sickness, days lost in education, decreased productivity due to brain damage from cerebral malaria, and loss of investment and tourism.
Even the wiki article states very few dangers. the only one that is reasonably supported is a premature birth. Considering 90% of the deaths occur in Africa, mostly in children under the age of 5, the risk of premature birth is a reasonable risk IMO. better than dead.
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Damn it man, you're gonna make me read and take in more information on this subject than i want to know :) I'm going to be ****in Cliff Claven if I keep argueing with you.

Gonna hit the sack for a bit and i'll finish reading and respond then.
LOL...nothing wrong with beinga a warehouse of useless information :)
 
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Plus I think the overall point is that scare mongering similar to what's going on now with global warming led to an ill advised action that directly led to the deaths of millions. The side effects of legislation meant to curd global warming have the potential to be just as devastating but more insidious because the costs will be largely unseen in terms of lost economic growth, fewer jobs, wealth redistribution, wasted resources, etc.
 
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Technically we were never off topic. The DDT hawks are basically the same crowd as the global warming people. I'm not against the idea that the Earth is warming, but we need to know why and what the specific effects are likely to be before we can decide what, if anything, to do about it. And we just don't know that now, the more you look into global warming the more you see what a young and very uncertain science global climatology is. What's more people who believe in global warming need to take their ideological blinders off and stop blaming the free market for the whole mess. In many if not all cases the normal market functions, like private ownership, that would curb most blatant pollution are being stifled by the government and are not being allowed to function because it claims sovereign immunity in this area or that, or prohibits ownership of resources by lease them out for people to use anyway, things like that.
 
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Plus I think the overall point is that scare mongering similar to what's going on now with global warming led to an ill advised action that directly led to the deaths of millions. The side effects of legislation meant to curd global warming have the potential to be just as devastating but more insidious because the costs will be largely unseen in terms of lost economic growth, fewer jobs, wealth redistribution, wasted resources, etc.
Exactly why I bring the point of DDT and CFC's into the discussion. That is, to draw these parallels and outline the danger presented by this movement.

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If you leave the economy alone to actually work it will meet the demand for cleaner energy, and it will do so a lot better than the government. Want to spur that jump? Get the government out of the oil business, allow prices to adjust freely. If they go down minus the government interaction, so much the better.
I think that generally speaking, humans, as individuals, are 1) economically-driven, and 2) selfish. Most people don't care about the environment as much as they claim.

As an example: If you relied on purely free market forces to drive change, we'd still have the emissions-belching cars of the 50s instead of what we have today. Suppose catalytic converters, EGR valves, etc. were options on cars. I doubt most buyers would spend $100's on these options. That's why they aren't optional.

Do you think most people buy hybrids because they're trying to be environmentally friendly? Come on, if gas were $1 a gallon there would hardly be any of them sold. The few who would buy are those who truly put social benefit above personal economics. The rest wouldn't care -- they'd go back to non-hybrids. Most buy hybrids because of their perceived long-term cost benefit.

If you relied on the free market to drive cleaner energy, unfortunately it won't happen unless cleaner energy means cheaper energy. Which it doesn't. We would just burn coal and oil because they're abundant and cheap. As they're used up, their cost would increase and we'd find a new source. Economics, not cleanliness, would determine the new source.

Solar is clean, so why haven't free market forces made it more popular? Because generation of electricity from solar is 3x as much as from coal & oil.
 
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You're right. However, given that we have limited resources we need to be more energy efficient. And, there seems to be a correlation between energy efficient and environmentally friendly ;) If we plan on driving gasoline driven cars for a long period of time, we have to make them more efficient --therefore, more environmentally friendly.
 
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I think that generally speaking, humans, as individuals, are 1) economically-driven, and 2) selfish. Most people don't care about the environment as much as they claim.
Not selfish, rationally self interested which is a big difference. Meaning they will tend to act to improve their condition in life. Now they may be wrong, but each action is predicated on being better off afterward, including giving to charity. A person who does gets some mental 'profit' from the act of giving. So even granting that people may in general place 'the environment' lower on their scale than you or I may think reasonable, over time the best thing to do is to allow the economic growth and the creation of wealth that will allow people to afford a clean environment.

If you relied on purely free market forces to drive change, we'd still have the emissions-belching cars of the 50s instead of what we have today. Suppose catalytic converters, EGR valves, etc. were options on cars. I doubt most buyers would spend $100's on these options. That's why they aren't optional.
That might be the case or might not, there's no way to know. Plus that's only if you're assuming people want dirty cars. Now whether those changes would have happened at the same pace, faster or slower, or in the same way or not at all is something that can't be known. What is known though is when the government sets a target firms aim to meet that target even if a more sensible alternative exists. So say the government demands a 50% further reduction of emissions. I'm sure companies would come through. However what if aiming for that target means foregoing aiming for another, like one that leaves innocuous emissions alone and lowers more harmful ones?

Now if the auto manufacturers weren't forthcoming in delivering cleaner technologies one has to assume the public wasn't demanding them, or was but it didn't matter to the manufacturers which is odd indeed as meeting that demand is what their profits are based on. Now this is either because the people liked breathing bus exhaust or for some other reason, namely one of the problems I mentioned earlier, a claim to ownership of some resource by the government, namely the air, nullified any demand there was.

Now why weren't these car manufacturers designing cars that could regularly drive over lawns to avoid traffic? If the law allowed such to happen, they surely would have. But since your right to own your lawn and my right to own mine are generally undisputed car manufacturers don't design cars to go over them regularly. Similarly, were private property rights allowed to operate in the air we breath and people demanded that cars not pollute their property, the car companies would have no choice but to comply or pay to keep going as is. In other words you're taking a government created economic externality, pollution, and blaming it on the private market, when if the private market were in fact allowed to operate the externality gets turned into an internal cost automatically. Pollution worked well for a while because everyone assumed the air was super abundant. Now we know it's not. But instead of letting private property rights and common law determine technical units of ownership the government simply came in and presumed to decide the acceptable level of pollution for everyone. Things could quite easily work a different way.

Do you think most people buy hybrids because they're trying to be environmentally friendly? Come on, if gas were $1 a gallon there would hardly be any of them sold. The few who would buy are those who truly put social benefit above personal economics.
You cannot know a priori what people will do and that's simply not the way the economy works. When left alone the economy generates ever greater supplies of goods and services. As those numbers increase people have more wealth and more resources to allocate to other, previously lower valued ends. So even if most people don't care about the environment, the only lasting change will be brought about by raising their valuation of that end. That will happen naturally on the market over time, if only through the desire for greater efficiency.

The rest wouldn't care -- they'd go back to non-hybrids. Most buy hybrids because of their perceived long-term cost benefit.
And perhaps they shouldn't be driving hybrids. You can't know where those resources are better spent, only individuals can decide that for themselves. The price difference between a normal car and a hybrid is going to knock the hybrid down for a lot of people. Be that as it may what I would say you're missing is that it is the government that has defined and enforced the 'right' of some people and groups to pollute. No such invasive 'right' exists in a free market any more than I would have a right to dump my garbage in your yard without your permission.

If you relied on the free market to drive cleaner energy, unfortunately it won't happen unless cleaner energy means cheaper energy. Which it doesn't. We would just burn coal and oil because they're abundant and cheap. As they're used up, their cost would increase and we'd find a new source. Economics, not cleanliness, would determine the new source.
Once more, see above. You're assuming a right to pollute which does not exist in the free market. It exists in todays mixed economy because the government has defined the air as the commons, court decisions around the beginning of this century favored private property owners who complained about pollution until the courts, probably in collusion with big businesses but that's not been studied, decided that businesses should be allowed to pollute so long as they're polluting the same amount as everyone else. It was a large deviation upward from the norm that was defined as pollution, and the judges in these decisions sited the "common good" served by industry. Basically the government decided for a while that it was more important to allow pollution than to let property rights work, so they enforced that ideology. Then everyone blames the free market. Makes little sense to me.

Solar is clean, so why haven't free market forces made it more popular? Because generation of electricity from solar is 3x as much as from coal & oil.
The cost really isn't the question, it's the profitability. While cost factors into that it's not the end all be all of the equation. Investment in other forms of energy is simply more efficient and sensible at this time. The fact remains the richer we become the more we can afford to care and act on our cares despite the efficiency issue. Not to mention solar energy is most likely a loser. Take a boiling hot cup of water, pour it into a full tub of cold water and then reclaim that energy. It's hard if not impossible to make that work very well. Efficient energy tends to go from concentrated to diffuse as it's used, not from diffuse to concentrated. That's one of the reasons oil is such a good source of fuel and other similar chemical reactions are the best bet for right now.
 

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Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe - Yahoo! News

Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe By Peter Schweizer
Thu Aug 10, 6:46 AM ET



Al Gore has spoken: The world must embrace a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To do otherwise, he says, will result in a cataclysmic catastrophe. "Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb," warns the website for his film, An Inconvenient Truth. "We have just 10 years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tailspin."


Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is doomed.


For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)


Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.


Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.


But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.


Gore is not alone. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has said, "Global warming is happening, and it threatens our very existence." The DNC website applauds the fact that Gore has "tried to move people to act." Yet, astoundingly, Gore's persuasive powers have failed to convince his own party: The DNC has not signed up to pay an additional two pennies a kilowatt hour to go green. For that matter, neither has the Republican National Committee.


Maybe our very existence isn't threatened.


Gore has held these apocalyptic views about the environment for some time. So why, then, didn't Gore dump his family's large stock holdings in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum? As executor of his family's trust, over the years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy stock. Oxy has been mired in controversy over oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas.


Living carbon-neutral apparently doesn't mean living oil-stock free. Nor does it necessarily mean giving up a mining royalty either.


Humanity might be "sitting on a ticking time bomb," but Gore's home in Carthage is sitting on a zinc mine. Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River.


The issue here is not simply Gore's hypocrisy; it's a question of credibility. If he genuinely believes the apocalyptic vision he has put forth and calls for radical changes in the way other people live, why hasn't he made any radical change in his life? Giving up the zinc mine or one of his homes is not asking much, given that he wants the rest of us to radically change our lives.
 

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Goodnight Irene! I would love to get in on this discussion, but I don't think that I have the time to catch up on all that reading! You guys are really into this whole Global Warming thing huh?
 
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No, not really. If I was I would actually put out an effort to reduce my energy expendatures. But on the internet I can act like it matters and I care.
 
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Chaps...we've hit this subject quite a few times. Search it up. As part of my Honors Majors Biology II course I was required to do a symposium on Global Warming based off of research found in a book called State of Fear by Michael Chricton. He provided sources for all of his materials and he provides a damn good case.

Any retort of his book involved "he has no credibility" or "he's an idiot" b/c that's the best anybody has against the information he provided. In short, with just the information you'll find in that book you'll probably conclude that Global Warming is not only blown way out of proportion, but even something we shouldnt be concerned about. In addition to that, most green movement postulations are overblown, wrong, or dangerous. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the green movement has been one of the largest disasters for human life (yes, human life) of the past century! The world-wide [near] banning on DDT, a pesticide that is "common knowledge" dangerous but laboratory proved safe, has resulted in MILLIONS of deaths per year in 3rd world countries b/c it was the only good line of defense to mesquito-born malaria we know of! Just recently, a couple years back, South Africa finally said F U to the world and started using DDT again b/c they had a 50 fold increase in deaths after it was removed from the country. The worst it has been proven to do is bioaccumulate in some animals, such as fish :rolleyes:

Read the book or get the audio CD's.
Loved this book!

There is so much ignorance on this subject and it is perpetuated by the mainstream media and people like Al Gore. Let us not forget that Al Gore invented the internet so he's gotta know what he's talking about right?

I'm not saying that human beings aren't damaging the planet and that there are not any consequences to pollution. But consider the following:

Even if every American drove a hybrid car tomorrow it would have virtually no effect on the current levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Why? Because China & India (with over 1 billion people each) are just beginning their own industrial revolutions similar to what the US went through. They are starting to experience a better standard of living and with half the planet's population reaching for a better life there is no way to make them cap the smoke stacks. Can you imagine 1 billion cars in China instead of 1 billion bicycles?

It is not just the ugly American's destroying the planet for their own capitalistic gain....the rest of the planet is in on it too now.

Consider this as well:

The planet has gone through a few cycles of warm and cool weather over a few hundred million years. Chriton sites in his book various places on the planet, some in and around Antarctica, where the avg. temp over the last 100 years or so has gone down, not up. Parts of Antarctica have melted and spawned huge icebergs but as a whole the ice there is thicker and the temp. is colder. These are statistical facts not opinion. But the mainstream media will never educate you on that, they just censor the imformation to fit a certain agenda.

Remember the hole in the Ozone layer? It is actually closing. An international group of scientists predicted that the hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica will shrink and close within 50 years. You never hear about that in the news.

Here is another little fact that you would think would make all the tree hugging hippies shut up...........

Mount St. Helens the state's No. 1 air polluter

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Environmentalists hooted when Ronald Reagan claimed — wrongly — that trees produce more pollution than cars.
But right now, the biggest single source of air pollution in Washington isn't a power plant, pulp mill or anything else created by man.

It's a volcano.

Since Mount St. Helens started erupting in early October (2004), it has been pumping out between 50 and 250 tons a day of sulfur dioxide, the lung-stinging gas that causes acid rain and contributes to haze.

Those emissions are so high that if the volcano was a new factory, it probably couldn't get a permit to operate, said Clint Bowman, an atmospheric physicist for the Washington Department of Ecology.

All of the state's industries combined produce about 120 tons a day of the noxious gas.

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No matter how much mankind tries we just cant dish out as much damage as mother nature herself!

Remember the 1980 eruption of Mt. St. Helens? I wish I could find the article...but the upshot of it was that the eruption of 1980 belched far more filth into the sky then the collective effect of the industrial revolution of the 20th century.

Mankind isn't innocent of contributing to pollution by any means.....but I think we are given far too much credit regarding our influence over a planet that has suffered more in it's history than we could ever dish out.
 
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For every scientist and theory on this subject there are the same stating the opposite.
 
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For every scientist and theory on this subject there are the same stating the opposite.

Check this out. Little known history of Science and Politics together:


Why Politicized Science is Dangerous
(Excerpted from State of Fear)

Imagine that there is a new scientific theory that warns of an impending crisis, and points to a way out.

This theory quickly draws support from leading scientists, politicians and celebrities around the world. Research is funded by distinguished philanthropies, and carried out at prestigious universities. The crisis is reported frequently in the media. The science is taught in college and high school classrooms.

I don't mean global warming. I'm talking about another theory, which rose to prominence a century ago.

Its supporters included Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and Winston Churchill. It was approved by Supreme Court justices Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis, who ruled in its favor. The famous names who supported it included Alexander Graham Bell, inventor of the telephone; activist Margaret Sanger; botanist Luther Burbank; Leland Stanford, founder of Stanford University; the novelist H. G. Wells; the playwright George Bernard Shaw; and hundreds of others. Nobel Prize winners gave support. Research was backed by the Carnegie and Rockefeller Foundations. The Cold Springs Harbor Institute was built to carry out this research, but important work was also done at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and Johns Hopkins. Legislation to address the crisis was passed in states from New York to California.

These efforts had the support of the National Academy of Sciences, the American Medical Association, and the National Research Council. It was said that if Jesus were alive, he would have supported this effort.

All in all, the research, legislation and molding of public opinion surrounding the theory went on for almost half a century. Those who opposed the theory were shouted down and called reactionary, blind to reality, or just plain ignorant. But in hindsight, what is surprising is that so few people objected.

Today, we know that this famous theory that gained so much support was actually pseudoscience. The crisis it claimed was nonexistent. And the actions taken in the name of theory were morally and criminally wrong. Ultimately, they led to the deaths of millions of people.

The theory was eugenics, and its history is so dreadful --- and, to those who were caught up in it, so embarrassing --- that it is now rarely discussed. But it is a story that should be well know to every citizen, so that its horrors are not repeated.

The theory of eugenics postulated a crisis of the gene pool leading to the deterioration of the human race. The best human beings were not breeding as rapidly as the inferior ones --- the foreigners, immigrants, Jews, degenerates, the unfit, and the "feeble minded." Francis Galton, a respected British scientist, first speculated about this area, but his ideas were taken far beyond anything he intended. They were adopted by science-minded Americans, as well as those who had no interest in science but who were worried about the immigration of inferior races early in the twentieth century --- "dangerous human pests" who represented "the rising tide of imbeciles" and who were polluting the best of the human race.

The eugenicists and the immigrationists joined forces to put a stop to this. The plan was to identify individuals who were feeble-minded --- Jews were agreed to be largely feeble-minded, but so were many foreigners, as well as blacks --- and stop them from breeding by isolation in institutions or by sterilization.

As Margaret Sanger said, "Fostering the good-for-nothing at the expense of the good is an extreme cruelty … there is not greater curse to posterity than that of bequeathing them an increasing population of imbeciles." She spoke of the burden of caring for "this dead weight of human waste."

Such views were widely shared. H.G. Wells spoke against "ill-trained swarms of inferior citizens." Theodore Roosevelt said that "Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind." Luther Burbank" "Stop permitting criminals and weaklings to reproduce." George Bernard Shaw said that only eugenics could save mankind.

There was overt racism in this movement, exemplified by texts such as "The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy" by American author Lothrop Stoddard. But, at the time, racism was considered an unremarkable aspect of the effort to attain a marvelous goal --- the improvement of humankind in the future. It was this avant-garde notion that attracted the most liberal and progressive minds of a generation. California was one of twenty-nine American states to pass laws allowing sterilization, but it proved the most-forward-looking and enthusiastic --- more sterilizations were carried out in California than anywhere else in America.

Eugenics research was funded by the Carnegie Foundation, and later by the Rockefeller Foundation. The latter was so enthusiastic that even after the center of the eugenics effort moved to Germany, and involved the gassing of individuals from mental institutions, the Rockefeller Foundation continued to finance German researchers at a very high level. (The foundation was quiet about it, but they were still funding research in 1939, only months before the onset of World War II.)

Since the 1920s, American eugenicists had been jealous because the Germans had taken leadership of the movement away from them. The Germans were admirably progressive. They set up ordinary-looking houses where "mental defectives" were brought and interviewed one at a time, before being led into a back room, which was, in fact, a gas chamber. There, they were gassed with carbon monoxide, and their bodies disposed of in a crematorium located on the property.

Eventually, this program was expanded into a vast network of concentration camps located near railroad lines, enabling the efficient transport and of killing ten million undesirables.

After World War II, nobody was a eugenicist, and nobody had ever been a eugenicist. Biographers of the celebrated and the powerful did not dwell on the attractions of this philosophy to their subjects, and sometimes did not mention it at all. Eugenics ceased to be a subject for college classrooms, although some argue that its ideas continue to have currency in disguised form.

But in retrospect, three points stand out. First, despite the construction of Cold Springs Harbor Laboratory, despite the efforts of universities and the pleadings of lawyers, there was no scientific basis for eugenics. In fact, nobody at that time knew what a gene really was. The movement was able to proceed because it employed vague terms never rigorously defined. "Feeble-mindedness" could mean anything from poverty to illiteracy to epilepsy. Similarly, there was no clear definition of "degenerate" or "unfit."

Second, the eugenics movement was really a social program masquerading as a scientific one. What drove it was concern about immigration and racism and undesirable people moving into one's neighborhood or country. Once again, vague terminology helped conceal what was really going on.

Third, and most distressing, the scientific establishment in both the United States and Germany did not mount any sustained protest. Quite the contrary. In Germany scientists quickly fell into line with the program. Modern German researchers have gone back to review Nazi documents from the 1930s. They expected to find directives telling scientists what research should be done. But none were necessary. In the words of Ute Deichman, "Scientists, including those who were not members of the [Nazi] party, helped to get funding for their work through their modified behavior and direct cooperation with the state." Deichman speaks of the "active role of scientists themselves in regard to Nazi race policy … where [research] was aimed at confirming the racial doctrine … no external pressure can be documented." German scientists adjusted their research interests to the new policies. And those few who did not adjust disappeared.


***(too long to post but here is the end of it.......)***

In science, the old men are usually wrong. But in politics, the old men are wise, counsel caution, and in the end are often right.

The past history of human belief is a cautionary tale. We have killed thousands of our fellow human beings because we believed they had signed a contract with the devil, and had become witches. We still kill more than a thousand people each year for witchcraft. In my view, there is only one hope for humankind to emerge from what Carl Sagan called "the demon-haunted world" of our past. That hope is science.

But as Alston Chase put it, "when the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power."

That is the danger we now face. And this is why the intermixing of science and politics is a bad combination, with a bad history. We must remember the history, and be certain that what we present to the world as knowledge is disinterested and honest.

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The case can be made that the "Global Warming Crisis" movement is really a social program masquerading as a scientific one. "Get Green Or Else!"
 
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1st, I better get one hell of a discount if I read that/

2nd, let me sober up a little before I attempt it

3rd, I think I peed a little...Maybe I should of started off with number one being go pee.
 
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Classic...but, I didn't actually expect any different from Gore.
LMAO Kwyck, why are you being so harsh on Al Gore, didn't you know he invented the internet (internets if you ask Bush LOL) and created awareness for Man-Bear-Pig in a South Park episode :lol:
 
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1st, I better get one hell of a discount if I read that/

2nd, let me sober up a little before I attempt it

3rd, I think I peed a little...Maybe I should of started off with number one being go pee.

Discounts for everyone! Call me, e-mail me, whatever.....I got the hook up! Just mention Anabolic Minds!

LMAO! I was hoping up and down on one leg by the time I got to the end of it myself.

Point is...it's not good for everyone to jump on the bandwagon 'cause some people in high places with lofty titles tell you something is just so....ya gotta research for yourself and get facts rather than taking someone's word for something. i.e. - I hear there is a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. (Know whut I'm saying G?)
 
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Ha! Just as mother nature does far more harm to herself then we could ever hope to do.....Al Gore, and politicians in general display their shortcomings far better than any of us could ever bring attention to!

Sounded like the author's agenda was to bail my man Al out with his "foot in mouth" disease! We all know that Al couldn't possibly have had the notion in his head ....but when the word for word quote is:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

....then how can the author claim....."Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way."

By that logic, all Jimmy the Greek said was a little Color commentary. Get it? .....Color commentary?

I miss that guy. A racist...but a damn good handicapper!
 
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You know Matt, I saw the slant myself but figured I would post it regardless.
 
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You know Matt, I saw the slant myself but figured I would post it regardless.
Good deal. I can't stop ranting sometimes....my 2 cents turns into 50 cents sometimes! LOL!
 

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