If your second picture represent how much you retain then I would be happy. My expectations are to retain 70-80% gains.
The second picture is more representative of how I look naturally
IMO you should prepare to have your TRT and next blast on tap rdy to go in this case. its the old 2 steps forward, 1 step back scenario.
^^^^ This precisely ^^^^
Correct, and even then they probably won't keep the gains because most ppl start steroids before they know how to eat and train properly and they won't be able to do what's necessary to keep it
yeah that’s the biggest problem and what we have to coach on the steroid boards lol right
Sorry man I hate to burst yiur bubble and im not trying to be a Debbie downer but if you run 1 cycle and never cycle again I'd bet my house, car and kids that there is a 100% chance you keep zero gains in the long term. Not to mention you used deca and tren on this cycle, your going to be shutdown HARD! recovery is going to take months. Deca will be in yiur system for about 8 weeks after your last pin so technically your on deca and tren right now. There's a good possibility you don't even get your natural testosterone production back to baseline for months.
How long/is this only cycle you've ran?
10 already past 5 weeks left of tren and testa
What you suggest to keep everything right...so I can make note of it
Make sure to run a Very Good PCT.
Sure thing mate ...I will ask my coach what he is going to give me and will post it
I guess than it will be me who can confirm results by coming December...as of now I reached 82 kgs from 75 kg at 5'8 let see what will happen
One thing for sure I am not going for second cycle. I wish I put this post before starting the cycle then I may not have gone with it but it's too late now
You say that now... but they always come back for another.
Well I have mentioned earlier also in thread that I was convinced that one cycle will get me to my potential and after proper PCT if keep working out like I am doing for past 5 years I will be able to maintain but after going through everyone's experience I think I made a mistake...and I am no young boy who can not take accept the loss
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That's because he's been that size for over 30 years and has diet and training mastered. Comparing him to one of us is like comparing a rocket to a paper plane.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a loss. Everyone is different. Your body is not going to hold huge amounts of excess mass that it is not naturally capable of holding without staying on AAS. But that doesn't mean people haven't used AAS to help them reach their natural limits either. Ideally you jump on when you've already reached your natural limit but plenty of people start prior to that. The best thing you can do is get your PCT in order with the proper diet, training, etc. and then see how much you're able to retain. I'd make a bet that this won't be your last cycle... but that's just me.
I've never met a single person in my life that ran 1 cycle and maintained it. And that's the reason why almost no1 has only ran 1 cycle. Because they lose it, then they can't get it back naturally and they realize there progress is pretty much done until there next cycle
Well... if we're being honest, I'd say 99% of the people I know probably didn't do their first cycle right. The problem is you might gain 20lbs from your first cycle and when all is said and done only keep 2 or 3lbs... so while there could be some progress there you lost 90% of it which you'll never get back unless you run another cycle. If you haven't hit your natural peak, you could probably keep more of your gains than someone who has.
Gaining weight and building muscle are 2 different things. The 2 lbs was probably the actual muscle tissue. But I'm around 100s of users in person from athletes to bodybuilders to coaches. Everyone can argue or disagree is probably a better word, but no1 keeps gains from steroids long term. If anyone can show me someone who made gains off 1 cycle and wasn't back to pre cycle after a year I'd love to see it.
That's the problem - you're around athletes. bodybuilders, and coaches. OP said he would be thrilled if he looked like you naturally, which means it's very possible that OP hasn't hit his natural peak yet, which also means it's likely that he won't go back to where he was pre cycle because he still has more room to grow naturally anyway. This is assuming he keeps his diet, training, etc in order. When you're referring to athletes and bodybuilders, I tend to think you're referring to people who have already hit their natural limitations.
I really don't disagree with you.... I'm just looking at the situation a little differently. Anybody who goes off AAS should expect to lose all their gains over the long-term.... but if you haven't reached your natural peak, then yeah, I've seen it help some guys get there. Regardless, they would have gotten there without the AAS as well if they just continued to train longer. It's once your past your natural peak that you can no longer expect any of the progress to be kept if you stop cycling. But that's just my opinion.
I stilil disagree, He said hes been training for 5 years naturally and you make the majority of your gains natural in the 1st 2 to 3 years. So if he hasn't gotten close to his genetic peak whatever that is cause no person in history knows if they've ever got to their genetic peak. But it's very unlikely he will know how to eat and train to maintain a peak physique if you understand what I'm getting at. But again if you can show me one person who's ever done 1 steroid cycle and maintained those gains I would love to see it. I'm not arguing I'm legit saying if you can show me someone I really would love to see it because I've never seen it before
Yeah... 5 years is a good amount of time if your training and diet is on point. Nobody ever keeps all their gains from AAS - impossible. I agree 100% with that. My point was that if you haven't hit your natural peak (and maybe I'm wrong and OP has), then AAS sometimes gets people there faster... so you might gain 20lbs from your cycle and be able to keep 2 or 3 lbs because your body can genetically hold those. It's everything above your natural limit that your body cannot continue to carry. Those will absolutely go away long term. But that's also where genetics play a role as well.
Nah not at all. I honestly don't even think we're really that far off. If we're talking about gains above ones natural limits then I completely agree with you. In the long-term those won't last unless you keep cycling.
Regardless of anything we're talking about, your goal should be to eat the best you can and train as hard as you can and once the cycle is over to continue to do the same.
That's the idea mate...
Noted sir..... will keep focus on eating good and working hard rest I also stopped thinking
