Epi/Tren Cycle and Gyno help

[TheBlender91]

4-5 months ago I did a 6 week cycle of solo Epi (Olympus labs) did my PCT with Nolva 20/20/10/10. About 2 weeks ago I notice I have sensitive nipples and a lump under both of them. (Size of a Pea or so) guessing I had a rebound. Right before I noticed this I had started planning my next cycle Epi/Tren.

I am wondering if it would be better to try and reduce the gyno with Letro? .5/1/1.5/2/2.5mg until its gone and then taper down and run Nolva for a week or so at 10mg?

OR

Start my cycle second week of January. I have TransForm and inhabit-P that I plan to run on cycle and then for my PCT same as I did for the EPI, Nolva with Sup3r PCT (Olympus Labs) along with TransForm and Letro to lower my estrogen and hopefully take care of the Gyno if I didn't try and reverse it prior to the cycle.

Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Loneyboy]

Imo you should get your gyno under control first, before introducing anything that can make it any worse.

 

[TheBlender91]

Imo you should get your gyno under control first, before introducing anything that can make it any worse.

I was thinking the same thing. But when I come off the Letro and Nolva, i'll probably wait a month or so to start the cycle and just mess with my hormones again. This will most likely be my last cycle with the Ban happening as we speak.

 

[Facestabber]

Wow op just described exact same scenario and question that I have. Only I have lump under one. I have inhibit p, transform tren and epi on order with nolvadex as an end. Don't mean to hijack thread but I'm interested in responses.

 

[TheBlender91]

Wow op just described exact same scenario and question that I have. Only I have lump under one. I have inhibit p, transform tren and epi on order with nolvadex as an end. Don't mean to hijack thread but I'm interested in responses.

haha well lets hope we both get the gyno taken care of and can have a successful EPI/TREN cycle!

 

[Facestabber]

^ right. I tried to PM you but I don't have enough posts yet. I read a lot here. Don't post much because there are far more knowledgable people on here.

 

[Loneyboy]

If either of you are set on the cycle now then the best advice I could give would be to run Inhibit P and a strong AI during (as needed, of course) to keep the gyno from getting any worse, and then just run a gyno protocol afterwards. Theoretically this would be the same, but typically gyno goes away faster if you attack it soon after it arises.

 

[TheBlender91]

If either of you are set on the cycle now then the best advice I could give would be to run Inhibit P and a strong AI during (as needed, of course) to keep the gyno from getting any worse, and then just run a gyno protocol afterwards. Theoretically this would be the same, but typically gyno goes away faster if you attack it soon after it arises.

Would the TransForm by OL be a strong enough AI? I have letro already on hand

 

[Swolljaboi]

I think transform would be sufficient. Although RC adex or aromasin aren't much more expensive and transform is sold out everywhere I've looked.

 

[TheBlender91]

I think transform would be sufficient. Although RC adex or aromasin aren't much more expensive and transform is sold out everywhere I've looked.

I got the transForm in hand already! Bought it during the Black Friday sale.

I think i'm going to do the cycle before hand. As I'm going to Mexico in 2 weeks and don't want my libido to be shot from the letro in Mexico. The gyno isn't terrible that it's that noticeable and if I reverse the gyno before hand i'm just going to mess with my hormones again.

 

[Swolljaboi]

Honestly buddy if I were you I would try Ralox before running Letro. Letro sucks balls.

 

[TheBlender91]

Honestly buddy if I were you I would try Ralox before running Letro. Letro sucks balls.

I've heard that from a lot of people with the side effect's being terrible. I'm probably going to buy a bottle of Ralox also as I need to get more MII and the site has both. Only thing is i know Ralox is a 2-3 month process..... which is better then a lifetime of Gyno but damn hahaha

 

[Hazard5150]

I got the transForm in hand already! Bought it during the Black Friday sale.

I think i'm going to do the cycle before hand. As I'm going to Mexico in 2 weeks and don't want my libido to be shot from the letro in Mexico. The gyno isn't terrible that it's that noticeable and if I reverse the gyno before hand i'm just going to mess with my hormones again.

holy balls dude.

I ran a epi cycle solo a few months back, no gyno yet knock on wood, AND i ordered a DMZ/Tren cycle AND i am going to Mexico in like 3 weeks lol

 

[TheBlender91]

holy balls dude.

I ran a epi cycle solo a few months back, no gyno yet knock on wood, AND i ordered a DMZ/Tren cycle AND i am going to Mexico in like 3 weeks lol

Did you do PCT? I did Nolva, Sup3r PCT and DAA and still had rebound estrogen and got the gyno. Where about's in Mexico? I will be in Puerto Vallarta on Jan 4th-11th

 

[Hazard5150]

i elected to not use daa, it seemed it was the common factor with rebound. everyone that has gotten rebound all said they pct with daa. so i just did sup3r pct, tapered down with nolva at 20/20/10/10...

im going to cancun jan 15

 

[TheBlender91]

Wish I would of read that before I took it! Maybe i'll cut it out of my PCT during this next cycle! Mirin Cancun sloots will be everywhere compared to Vallarta..not as many bars in Vallarta then Cancun!

 

[Facestabber]

i elected to not use daa, it seemed it was the common factor with rebound. everyone that has gotten rebound all said they pct with daa. so i just did sup3r pct, tapered down with nolva at 20/20/10/10...

im going to cancun jan 15

I used DAA. I had no idea it correlates to rebound

 

[Hazard5150]

Wish I would of read that before I took it! Maybe i'll cut it out of my PCT during this next cycle! Mirin Cancun sloots will be everywhere compared to Vallarta..not as many bars in Vallarta then Cancun!

haha..

i dont have any research to back the claim, it was just something i noticed while reading everyones logs. and i read a **** ton of them lol

 

[dbrock504]

I used DAA. I had no idea it correlates to rebound

Ya... I've been reading this because I'm about to start my epi/tren cycle jan 1 and I have super pct nolva and DAA lines up for the pct. So does DAA correlate to rebound?

 

[TheBlender91]

I'll have to look into it! Thanks for the info. Like to know as much as possible about what i'm going to be doing to my body lol

 

[Hazard5150]

like i said i have no supporting research to back it. its just my own knowledge that I have gathered reading countless logs. it seemed to be that DAA was the common supplement that was associated with the rebound.

 

[Swolljaboi]

I have a theory concerning daa and Nolva. Daa increases LH production and LH is responsible for the production of other hormones as well as testosterone. One of these hormones is progesterone. Nolvadex upregulates progesterone receptors. Put the two together and I'm wondering if it is the winning combo for the production of manmilk. Of course this is just something I've read up on. I am no biologist or doctor.

 

[mountainman33]

DAA has also been shown to raise prolactin levels, prolactin control usually takes care of that for people.

http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/prolactrone-by-black-lion-research

http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/inhibit-p-by-serious-nutrition-solutions

 

[dbrock504]

Well it's a good thing I read this...! I have already bought the DAA so I guess I will save it and use it on a halo run or something like that. I have the Inhibit-P for prolactin control so I'm good there

 

[Facestabber]

I have a theory concerning daa and Nolva. Daa increases LH production and LH is responsible for the production of other hormones as well as testosterone. One of these hormones is progesterone. Nolvadex upregulates progesterone receptors. Put the two together and I'm wondering if it is the winning combo for the production of manmilk. Of course this is just something I've read up on. I am no biologist or doctor.

Interesting theory but in case of OP and myself this is a rebound. I believe my cycle ended in July. Now out of the blue my nipple hurts. I'm scratching my head. I followed the rules of PCT established here with exception to inhibit P(though I ran epi solo).

 

[mountainman33]

Epi is a notroious estro rebound PH.

 

[TheBlender91]

Interesting theory but in case of OP and myself this is a rebound. I believe my cycle ended in July. Now out of the blue my nipple hurts. I'm scratching my head. I followed the rules of PCT established here with exception to inhibit P(though I ran epi solo).

That's what I did. **** happens, and its a risk you are taking with taking prohormones. i just want to make sure that I eventually get rid of it. Surgery is something I don't want to have to do. haha

 

[Facestabber]

Epi is a notroious estro rebound PH.

Right. I understand that. I was just speaking about his theory if in fact those two ingredients together would cause the issue why would the issue not present itself when the ingredients are taken at that time rather than six months later

 

[Hazard5150]

Right. I understand that. I was just speaking about his theory if in fact those two ingredients together would cause the issue why would the issue not present itself when the ingredients are taken at that time rather than six months later

takes a while for your body to start producing sides? idk just throwing that out there?

 

[Loneyboy]

Would the TransForm by OL be a strong enough AI? I have letro already on hand

It wasn't for me, but I also wasn't running Inhibit P. My next run I'm doing Inhibit P and adex.

If you have letro on hand you'll be able to destroy your est if it gets out of control.

 

[Loneyboy]

takes a while for your body to start producing sides? idk just throwing that out there?

If your hormones are imbalanced it will take them a while to get back into normal. During that time, they will go higher, maybe lower, all over the place my guess would be that your est has been high for a while and you're just now starting to see the sides because they are just becoming noticeable. Aka, your gyno has been growing for a while, and just now it has become bad enough that you're noticing.