You honestly don’t need any other hormonal products or SARMS. Havoc (epistane) is generally well tolerated, although plenty of people don’t like it or it induced a side, like lethargy, dry joints, even complaints of gyno. So these are things to think about and prepare for. Please research the hell out of these things before introducing them into your body. Will a poorly researched cycle kill you? Probably not. But you can f@&k yourself up from just one cycle man. From what I’ve seen on this board so far, there’s a ton of good info to read and properly educate yourself on before diving in.